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Open Note to Rush Limbaugh re Penn State
Fertile mind ^ | 8/14/12 | Self

Posted on 08/14/2012 11:51:55 AM PDT by Yaelle

Rush, I just heard you saying that you thought punishing the university itself is going too far at Penn State.

Yes, it appears that one evil man brought the whole thing down, but remember that to cover up evil is to promote it.

Everyone up in the highest administration must have known about Sandusky. No one alerted law enforcement. They "let him retire early.". No other football teams seemed to hire him, which if people knew nothing would defy logic. Everyone knew. The heads of the university knew.

They allowed him full access to their property and facilities. They did not alert the authorities to a known pedophile who was running a charity giving him access to the most defenseless children.

The heads of the university allowed these rapes to continue, so, sadly, to prevent anything like this happening again, the whole university is being brought down. By those who stayed silent rather than doing the right thing.

Of all people, I'd have thought you would understand the selfless bravery that discovering evil should have inspired and indeed is required, in the heads of a great educational institution.


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1 posted on 08/14/2012 11:52:09 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Rush has some bizarre love of things Pennsylvania.

He’s a Steelers fan and the guy that owns the team and the coach are HUGE Obama backers.


2 posted on 08/14/2012 11:54:22 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Yaelle

The only people this punishes are the students who had nothing to do with Sandusky’s crimes. If there are people who covered things up, let them be punished but this collective punishment of the innocent is the same philosophy that Obama uses in trying to “punish the rich”.


3 posted on 08/14/2012 11:55:20 AM PDT by JMS
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To: Yaelle

Heads of institutions need to root out the evil within and take their lumps. When Sandusky was first discovered sodomizing children on campus, the college was innocent. Calling the cops and the resulting scandal still as the university as secondary victim.

Having covered up for sandusky’s crimes for years, and thus aiding him to rape many more children, the university itself is as filthy as if they were holding the boys down for Sandusky in the locker room shower.


4 posted on 08/14/2012 11:56:17 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Rush got his facts wrong. This was not a football program issue. Freeh was paid $6m by the Board of Trustees to put all the blame on Paterno and the football program. They quickly accepted his conclusions (that Paterno was the mastermind in sweeping it all under the rug), despite the fact there was ZERO evidence in the report to support Freeh’s conclusions. The board quickly accepted sanctions on the football program without a whimper, even though no NCAA rules were violated by the football program.

The cover-up is still going on. There is a protection of very infleuntial/wealthy people going on right now. They don’t want a real investigation to see what took place. They want it over now. A few of the newer BOT members are fighting the old guard, but it’s looking like a losing battle as they are outnumbered by left-wing pigs.


5 posted on 08/14/2012 11:57:24 AM PDT by jb729
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To: JMS

Agree.
Nothing in the former FBI director’s report suggests “everyone” in the administration knew about this. Penn State should tell the accreditation agency to take a hike.


6 posted on 08/14/2012 11:58:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: JMS

The students and athletes and everyone who didn’t know are the new victims...

Of the heads of the university who propagated child molestation.

It’s very very sad.

If you wish to do a stupid thing, like driving home drunk, very often your “little evil” ends up killing total innocents.


7 posted on 08/14/2012 11:58:40 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: nascarnation

I agree with Rush 100 percent. What a stupid witch hunt. You got the guy who did it now let the school go on with life. Penn State thank God is bigger than the haters. This is so against what conservativism is about....Personal Responsibility....not punishment for the masses like the liberals do.


8 posted on 08/14/2012 12:00:41 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: Yaelle; All

Does anybody understand the accreditation process? I would imagine that colleges & universities are periodically audited to determine if their programs are currently meeting the standards set forth. Is it possible that PSU was simply “under review” at this time (when the Sandusky trial concluded)?


9 posted on 08/14/2012 12:00:46 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It doesn’t have to be “everyone.”. If one higher up knew the assistant football coach was molesting boys, everyone lose should have known, and probably did. That’s a tough piece of gossip to choke down.


10 posted on 08/14/2012 12:01:26 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: nascarnation

What about the Governor who knew about it? Why does he get a pass?????


11 posted on 08/14/2012 12:03:48 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: napscoordinator

If the head of the university allowed a French professor to continue to rape boys on campus, the school needs to feel pain.

Those of you standing with rush are saying you wish the cover up had been better. Glad those boys were not your sons.


12 posted on 08/14/2012 12:04:14 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Freeh’s report was complete and total bunk, paid for by the Board of Trustees. They got exactly what they wanted. “They protected Jerry to save the football program’s image”. Nonsense. There was zero evidence linking Paterno to the coverup. There was nothing from anyone involved saying “we gotta keep this under wraps or it’ll hurt recruiting”. No evidence even remotely touching on any of that. But those were Freeh’s conclusions and what the media ran with.

It stinks to high heaven. They administrators weren’t protecting the football program, they were protecting somebody else very high in power (either financial or political power, or both.)


13 posted on 08/14/2012 12:04:35 PM PDT by jb729
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To: napscoordinator

Sad to say, but the GOP governor Tom Corbett is looking very dirty in all of this.


14 posted on 08/14/2012 12:05:53 PM PDT by jb729
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To: napscoordinator

Everyone who knew and did nothing deserves pain.

This is one of the worst things someone can do on this planet.

What if, after the theater shooting, all the eyewitnesses said, “I dint see nuthing, officer.”?


15 posted on 08/14/2012 12:06:40 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

The university is not guilty. Persons employed at the university are guilty. Only those guilty should be punished.


16 posted on 08/14/2012 12:07:03 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Yaelle

If the head of the university allowed a French professor to continue to rape boys on campus, the school needs to feel pain.

That is the biggest BS ever told. No if the French Professor is bonking kids than put him in jail and if the University President is covering up than give him a trial and go to jail. As for the school....keep going....I never saw so many conservatives turn into liberals in my life relating to this story. It is stunning how many liberals there are. No personal responsibility just punish the masses....never saw anything like this in my life.


17 posted on 08/14/2012 12:07:17 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: jb729
"The cover-up is still going on."

The US Postal Service has initiated an investigation of Sandusky for child porn. Assuming there's fire under that smoke, unless he was mailing the stuff to himself, there were other people involved.

18 posted on 08/14/2012 12:08:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Yaelle

Everyone who knew and did nothing deserves pain.

I agree. And those football players deserve to have their full status restored and get to winning games.


19 posted on 08/14/2012 12:09:48 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: napscoordinator

How many Penna governors were in on the deal. This was a long term problem, right?


20 posted on 08/14/2012 12:11:21 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: napscoordinator
....I never saw so many conservatives turn into liberals in my life relating to this story. It is stunning how many liberals there are. No personal responsibility just punish the masses....never saw anything like this in my life.


+1000000000. The number of conservatives just accepting what a bunch of leftists are feeding them about this story is absolutely mind boggling. The reason is, nobody wants to be left behind in their outrage of Sandusky. Child molestation is dispicable and everybody wants to burn everybody, even the innoncent. When it's their turn to speak, nobody wants to be seen as less than outraged as the previous guy who spoke. You can be outraged at Sandusky and the true culprits of the coverup without burning an entire town to the ground.
21 posted on 08/14/2012 12:11:24 PM PDT by jb729
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To: jb729

Who cares which party? Maybe some of these big guys are friends of rush’s. Who cares? If I have a friend whom I find out knows about ongoing molestation, or had a chance to stop it but chose not to, I’d not continue that friendship.

Rush, if these guys who knew (even if they are telling you they had no idea, that is bunk) had molested your nephews, would you understand it?


22 posted on 08/14/2012 12:11:33 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: napscoordinator

Penn State is just as guilty as Jerry the Molester.


23 posted on 08/14/2012 12:12:00 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: jb729
Calling Freeh’s report “bunk” is talking through your hat. The report named names and, from my reading, put the blame where it belonged.

I have no connection to PSU but this really is over reaching. Penn State will pay for this for decades. If the university is destroyed, who will compensate the aggrieved ?

24 posted on 08/14/2012 12:13:05 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Yaelle
Everyone up in the highest administration must have known about Sandusky. No one alerted law enforcement. They "let him retire early.". No other football teams seemed to hire him, which if people knew nothing would defy logic. Everyone knew. The heads of the university knew. They allowed him full access to their property and facilities. They did not alert the authorities to a known pedophile who was running a charity giving him access to the most defenseless children.

The heads of the university allowed these rapes to continue, so, sadly, to prevent anything like this happening again, the whole university is being brought down. By those who stayed silent rather than doing the right thing.

Did the players know about the wrongdoing and assist in the cover-ups? How abut the fans?

25 posted on 08/14/2012 12:13:31 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: bmwcyle

If you are a practicing Catholic, you are as guilty as all the molesting priests. See, I can do it too.


26 posted on 08/14/2012 12:14:34 PM PDT by jb729
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To: Yaelle

“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”

Albert Einstein


27 posted on 08/14/2012 12:14:45 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bmwcyle

Prove it.


28 posted on 08/14/2012 12:15:38 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: napscoordinator

I get that everyone who did not know, especially the students and athletes, are total victims. It is very sad to me! I know a great athlete there right now!

But yes, when you are the head of an organization, and you allow evil,your organization will suffer.

It just will. I have not become a liberal. I don’t wish the innocent punished. But if proctor & gamble allowed something evil to go on in the corporation, the whole thing will suffer. Stock down, layoffs of innocent low level employees...these are natural consequences and that is happening at penn state. And it makes sense. Sadly.


29 posted on 08/14/2012 12:15:49 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: jb729

“There was zero evidence linking Paterno to the coverup.”

I had read that there were emails to and from Paterno specifically showing Paterno’s culpability.


30 posted on 08/14/2012 12:16:11 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Tell me the page # of the Freeh Report that has the evidence showing Joe Paterno was behind the coverup. I’m begging you. I’ve been asking people since the Freeh Report came out to point to the page, nobody has done it yet.


31 posted on 08/14/2012 12:16:21 PM PDT by jb729
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To: Tallguy

Unlike some of the folks around here who “know” just about everything (who knew what, who told whom, when it happened, where it happened, ad naseum. Someone even claimed to KNOW what Dottie Sandusky knew. Amazing.), I THINK a large part of the accreditation review involves financial stability. The implication is that with the heavy fines that are coming down (and we haven’t even gotten to civil suits, yet), there’s some concern about financial collapse.
Of course, with this kind of “announcement” it almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
That’s what I THINK - not claiming to be an expert.


32 posted on 08/14/2012 12:17:55 PM PDT by PA BOOKENDS
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To: Yaelle

But if proctor & gamble allowed something evil to go on in the corporation, the whole thing will suffer. Stock down, layoffs of innocent low level employees...these are natural consequences and that is happening at penn state. And it makes sense. Sadly.

That actually is a good point. I guess I ONLY feel for the students especially the seniors. Trust me I don’t feel sorry for the Administration at all.


33 posted on 08/14/2012 12:19:08 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: Joe 6-pack; All
unless he was mailing the stuff to himself, there were other people involved.

I agree. This may not necessarily be the case of evil by one sick person. I posted this earlier after hearing it on local talk radio:

Witness: I Saw Sandusky And Penn State Booster Abuse Boys On Private Plane

If that accusation plays out, this story may only be just beginning.
34 posted on 08/14/2012 12:20:30 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Joe Paterno didn’t USE e-mail! He couldn’t even turn a computer on, he was ancient and didn’t want anything to do with them. There were no e-mails to or from Joe Paterno!

http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2012/08/more-altered-email-blowing-up-freeh.html


35 posted on 08/14/2012 12:20:59 PM PDT by jb729
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To: jb729

Paterno was told about the molestation. in turn, he told the president of the university.
He should have provided the information to authorities. This is well established.


36 posted on 08/14/2012 12:22:35 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: nascarnation

One of his first jobs was as a DJ on a station in McKeesport.


37 posted on 08/14/2012 12:23:14 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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Interesting, I knew about KC, MO, and CA, but not Pennsy.


38 posted on 08/14/2012 12:25:19 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation
I also have a love for things Pennsylvania, including breakfast at Ruthie's Diner in Ligonier, chile dogs at Sara's in Erie, pork stew at the S & D Polish Delicatessen in Pittsburgh, and maple syrup from Dushore.
39 posted on 08/14/2012 12:26:32 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Wrong.. He followed state law in reporting second-hand information to higher ups. These are laws all teachers must abide by. If a student comes up to a teacher with information, by state law the teacher is suppose to report up the chain of commnd. The AG repeatedly said there was no crime committed by Paterno. He was told a watered down story by a witness that something went on with a retired faculty member, Paterno had him meet with his superiors. Paterno’s superiors repeatedly told him the situation was being handled.

Could he have done more? Sure, but he didn’t know all the facts. He’s not entitled to know the details of any investigation. He assumed, wrongly, that it was being taken care of. Nothing came out of it, he assumed it was looked into. This doesn’t make him a criminal, or even a bad guy.


40 posted on 08/14/2012 12:27:56 PM PDT by jb729
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To: Yaelle

I think risking de-accredidation is too far. I think everybody that need be punished already has, except anyone who ought be prosecuted for the coverup.

Sandusky will never see freedom again. Paterno got canned, and his reputation rightly destroyed. Various administrators have left and are being investigated for criminal prosecution. The football program was hit with a near-death penalty by the NCAA ... and the school itself got financially gutted, and their precious football program flattened, for protecting football at the expense of children.

I don’t think challenging accreditation does anyone any good.

SnakeDoc


41 posted on 08/14/2012 12:31:23 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: jb729

“Joe Paterno didn’t USE e-mail! He couldn’t even turn a computer on, he was ancient and didn’t want anything to do with them. There were no e-mails to or from Joe Paterno!”

I was simply sharing what I had read. Can you prove what you are saying? Should I believe a blog?

In the 70s I found Paterno to be a detestable human being. I actually saw him crying crocodile tears with the tears running down his cheeks, on national television and through the tears, whimpering, “I wannabe be numbah one”.

That was before PedState was a member of the Big Ten.

My first thought was, “Hey, Joe! Men are numbah one, not crybabies. Besides, you have to have real teams on your schedule to be numbah one. Playing against the orphange and the nun’s convent won’t ever get ‘numbah one’ for you”.

This scandal only reinforced my original opinion of him.


42 posted on 08/14/2012 12:32:00 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: jb729
"Joe Paterno didn’t USE e-mail! He couldn’t even turn a computer on, he was ancient and didn’t want anything to do with them."

He'd never heard of the rape of a man either.

43 posted on 08/14/2012 12:32:00 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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Isn’t that why coaches coach? To be #1? I don’t care what he’s done in the past. I couldn’t care less really. I’m just looking at the facts of this case and there’s so much that stinks here that needs to be looked into.

Freeh’s conclusions, the evidence, and Penn State Board of Trustee behavior are sending up ridiculous amounts of red flags that something huge is going on here.

Freeh has a long history of cooking evidence. He had a report, involving the banning of a FIFA official, struck down by a Swiss court because of conclusions that weren’t supported by evidence.

Freeh was a major player in the bogus Waco re-enactment that defended the governments actions.


44 posted on 08/14/2012 12:39:06 PM PDT by jb729
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It’s been surprising to see some conservatives suggest the collective needs to pay for the sins of certain individuals.
What happened to personal accountability?

Just because the excuse for keeping Sandusky’s crimes under wraps was the rep of the school or supposedly the football program doesn’t mean it’s actually the fault of the school or the football program. It’s the fault of Sandusky and those who covered for him. If you’ve got the goods on these people, hold them accountable, don’t punish the innocent.


45 posted on 08/14/2012 12:41:52 PM PDT by Hayride
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To: Yaelle

I have no connection to Penn State or anyone involved, but usually when you see a regulatory body (especially a non-government one) acting in what looks like an overbearing way, there are two sides to the story. In this case, I suspect that Penn State was treating these people the same it treated the victims, with a none-of-your-business attitude, and these guys don’t have to take that crap, and won’t.

As to the students - maybe Penn State should give them some thought too.


46 posted on 08/14/2012 12:43:34 PM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: jb729

Could he have done more ?
You’ve answered your own question.

When nothing was done following Paterno’s report to the president, he should have called the police.

End of story.


47 posted on 08/14/2012 12:46:46 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I agree. After the rape of the boy by Sandusky was reported to Paterno, Sandusky continued to have access to Ped State facilities. Paterno was aware of this and did what about it?


48 posted on 08/14/2012 12:53:32 PM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: Yaelle

The only thing I needed to read in the Free Report was AD Curley’s email to Spanier saying he “was uncomfortable in calling the Police after talking to Joe.”

When a coach can effect a legal investigation then it violates NCAA rules as ‘lack of institutional control’


49 posted on 08/14/2012 12:55:27 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Amazed to see anyone support Rush’s stance on this one. Not punishing the university in total would be equivalent to going after concentration camp guards, but not their superiors.


50 posted on 08/14/2012 12:57:23 PM PDT by sakic
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