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Baker feels heat for denying EBT users from buying her sweets
bostonherald.com ^ | 08/15/2012 | Chris Cassidy

Posted on 08/15/2012 4:25:02 AM PDT by massmike

A Walpole (Ma) baker — appalled that welfare abuse now seems almost as American as apple pie — is putting her whoopie pies where her mouth is in a dispute with the Braintree Farmers Market, refusing to take EBT cards for her baked treats.

“I don’t think American taxpayers should be footing the bill for people’s pie purchases,” said Andrea Taber, proprietor of the Ever So Humble Pie Co. in Walpole, who peddles her wares at the Braintree market on Fridays and now finds herself in the middle of the state’s raging fight over welfare benefits.

“To me it’s no different than nail salons and Lottery tickets,” Taber said. “It’s pastry, it’s dessert. My pies are great, but come on.”

Taber told the Herald she has no problem with customers using their taxpayer-funded welfare benefits to buy fresh fruit and vegetables. But she draws a line when it comes to her own sweet, fatty goods.

“They looked at me like I had six heads,” said Taber, who fired off an email on July 20 stating her objections.

“I know it’s been a struggle for you to accept this program but we really need to work something out,” (Braintree Farmers Market chairwoman Donna )Ingemanson emailed back the same day. “Other markets make it mandatory to sign on to these programs and my guess is that it will be for us soon. ... In fact, you’re the only one who is resistant to the idea.”

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1 posted on 08/15/2012 4:25:18 AM PDT by massmike
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To: massmike

There’s the difference, the democrats used to promise pie in the sky, by and by but now they demand it now and free.


2 posted on 08/15/2012 4:31:33 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: massmike

She should get a letter of support from Moochelle.


3 posted on 08/15/2012 4:34:25 AM PDT by AU72
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To: massmike
Pie chart: Former RN grows business from humble start


4 posted on 08/15/2012 4:38:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: massmike
Sounds like Braintree Farmers Market chairwoman Donna Ingemanson could use a little Freeping or at least some targeted emails and letters. I couldn't find her email on an Internet search. Any locals have specific information?
5 posted on 08/15/2012 4:41:31 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: massmike

The public debate we MUST have is who is “indigent” and needs our help and who must be expected to provide for their own needs. Socialism is the ideology that we each can live at the expense of everyone else. Not only does this violate the Commandments that forbid coveting and theft, but both Hayek and Mises prove (in different ways) that it is not a “sustainable” economic system, a concept the left otherwise loves to scold us about.

Putting aside how government social benefits originally justified to help the indigent have destroyed the charity-oriented social support network that functioned in this country since its founding, these benefits have been expanded and expanded. One study I read stated that for a family of four, in order for a wage-earner to provide the same standard of living, he would have to earn a wage of about $60k/year.

We have made not working pay so much that employers with lower skilled jobs must pay more in order to compete with free medical care, free housing, free utilities, free food, free school lunches and free cell phones. This is one factor in the dismal rate of labor force participation.

Apart from the broader liberty question, or more directly, how this fosters dependency, having government “benefits” that extend to such a large fraction of society means that government must become an economic predator on the shrinking portion that creates wealth. The larger government gets, the less economic wealth creation we will have. We are on the road to serfdom.

Government takes $100 from the half that has taxable income, borrows $40 from China and then offers a $90 “benefit” to everyone who qualifies. The first disqualifier of course is that your income is too high. But those who do qualify climb all over each other to make sure they get what they are “entitled” to. There is never any suggestion that the program is for those who are truly in need and when a person is not in need, even though their income is low, they should not apply.

But even States do this with federal programs. If the States would just say no, the pols in Washington would not be working day and night to find ways to make money flow back home. If States would decline to accept federal bucks, the federal deficit would be much smaller.

We are being enslaved with our own money and our own credit rating. Worse, we are enslaving our children like no previous generation ever has.


6 posted on 08/15/2012 4:43:29 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: massmike
She'll be out of business,and in criminal *and* civil court,within 10 days.Marsha Coakley will milk this for all it's worth.
7 posted on 08/15/2012 4:46:16 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: massmike

American hero. And in MA no less.


8 posted on 08/15/2012 4:49:45 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“You didn’t build that. EBT built that.”


9 posted on 08/15/2012 4:51:50 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

She built it with her sons!


10 posted on 08/15/2012 4:53:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: massmike

Eh. People who take welfare should be watched like hawks ... but I don’t think we need to go so far as to monitor their diets.

SnakeDoc


11 posted on 08/15/2012 4:53:28 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: massmike

Even The Jeffersons finally only got a piece of the pie!


12 posted on 08/15/2012 4:53:45 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: SnakeDoctor

i don’t think it’s so much about monitoring their diets, as it is monitoring their expenditure of taxpayer provided funds on LUXURY items. As i recall it, PA has no sales tax on groceries, but you do pay tax on prepared foods, restaurant etc. It’s a natural distinction.


13 posted on 08/15/2012 5:00:33 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: massmike

This EBT card thing is way out of hand and a huge expense for taxpayers. They use the cards to buy treats, cigarettes, lottery tickets, and then ask for cash in change so they can head off to casinos. Or, they sell the cards for cash. Yet, the gov’t can’t dish them out fast enough. In fact, they even were advertising for you to come and get one. An entitlement society under Obama? You bet!


14 posted on 08/15/2012 5:01:16 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: xsmommy

It is still monitoring food expenditures. Cut welfare if you want ... I’m fine with that. But, if you’re going to give it to ‘em, let them buy their food without a babysitter. Its just a pie. Not the best use of welfare money ... but not nearly the worst. There are bigger fish to fry.

Businesses should have the option of not accepting food stamps, though. Not sure if they do.

SnakeDoc


15 posted on 08/15/2012 5:06:13 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Eh. People who take welfare should be watched like hawks ... but I don’t think we need to go so far as to monitor their diets.

When we are paying for it??

I think EBT should ONLY pay for unprepared starches, vegetables, and non-premium cuts of meat. It has nothing to do with nutrition and everything to do with expectation.

If someone wants to improve their lot and eat lobster, they can start working for it. There is no better incentive than diet.

16 posted on 08/15/2012 5:12:38 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

I wonder if the EBT cards could bear the recipient’s name, and then require photo ID when it is used? That might at least eliminate the sale of the cards.

Whether and how the EBT cards are limited is a little harder question. On one hand I am for liberty, but in the case of EBT cards, the recipients have proven that they cannot handle liberty, at least as to financial matters, especially when they want to use the cards for tobacco, alcohol and other luxuries.

My family had to receive welfare assistance for a very short time after my mother left my father (she kept children in our home as our only income). I remember going downtown monthly to get the government cheese, etc. It was embarrassing— as it should be. It was the impetus for hard work in school and a desire to do what was necessary to earn a decent living.


17 posted on 08/15/2012 5:20:53 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: theBuckwheat

Spot on, Buckwheat.

And the thing that’s going to bring this whole house of cards down is runaway inflation.

At its most fundamental level, money is supposed to represent the value of goods and services. True barter is an extremely cumbersome way for people to get what they want or need. The purpose of money is to facilitate the trade of these goods and services between the people who produce them.

The problem is that our government is flat-out GIVING money, in ever-increasing amounts, to people who are producing NOTHING.

The effect on our currency is a steady erosion of its value.

Under Obama, this process has rapidly accelerated and those on fixed incomes are now getting hammered by skyrocketing food and gas prices.

Other prices are steadily rising, as well. The only life vest we have right now is cheap imports, and that will go by the wayside as our currency continues to decline in real value.

At that point, no other countries will lend us any more money to support these massive welfare programs and everything will come crashing down upon us.

If Barack Obama is re-elected, financial collapse and runaway inflation will follow. The first victims will be senior citizens.


18 posted on 08/15/2012 5:31:34 AM PDT by Walrus (Restoring America starts today! Let's roll!)
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To: massmike

Andrea Taber: the Tea Party’s Rosa Parks?

God bless her.


19 posted on 08/15/2012 5:34:00 AM PDT by Walrus (Restoring America starts today! Let's roll!)
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To: SampleMan

Yeah, when we pay for it. I’m open to the argument that we shouldn’t pay for it. But, once we do, I don’t think we need to monitor exactly what people are eating.

If they have $200 in welfare, it doesn’t matter to me if they buy all junk food, or lobster, or bare essentials — $200 is $200 is $200. Costs me the same either way. Let ‘em starve because they spent their whole check on one meal, or get fat because they bought a bunch of sugary junk, or whatever. I just don’t care if welfare queens eat healthy. Cut benefits to $100, or $0, if you want ... but using the manpower to police people’s diet is just a waste of time.

Make sure they’re using it on food — not strippers, or drugs, or cigarettes, or booze, or whatever — and let ‘em be. We can monitor diet. We have the right to monitor diet. I just don’t think its worth the time or energy.

SnakeDoc


20 posted on 08/15/2012 5:35:11 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: massmike

Businesswoman Andrea Taber obviously needs to spend some time in one of Comrade Obama’s re-education camps. A few years in the rice paddy under the guidance of Comrade Elizabeth Warren would inspire her to proper thinking more in line with the teachings of the state. For more information on the correct use of EBT cards see the new rap music sub-genre: CONTENT WARNING

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII&list=PL5012C10946C1F1BA&index=53&feature=plpp_video

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbMZj2WC1lc&list=PL5012C10946C1F1BA&index=55&feature=plpp_video

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk&feature=related


21 posted on 08/15/2012 5:36:46 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: SnakeDoctor

When young mother’s get WIC cards they are limited in their food selections. There are signs in the stores designating which items are allowed. I think the same should apply to EBT cards,


22 posted on 08/15/2012 5:37:00 AM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: theBuckwheat
If States would decline to accept federal bucks...

I would love to see a Governor that would tell the Fed to stuff it and end the practice of withholding taxes for the Fed.

If every citizen had to file quarterly like small businesses do, the hue and cry would be heard all the way to Washington D.C.

Unfortunately, the current crop of crooks likes having the torrent of tax dollars to purchase votes - largely from people undeserving of the vote.

23 posted on 08/15/2012 5:40:51 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“.. I don’t think we need to go so far as to monitor their diets”.

I do the bulk of our family’s grocery shopping. I clip coupons, buy “off” brand names, and buy only what is one sale. I can’t tell you how many times that the person in front of me has purchased lobster, shrimp, prime steaks, junk food and only brand names (usually more expensive). Then they pull out their EBT card. The program was sold as a way to supplement poor families who were unable to feed themselves with nutritious food. It tugged at America’s heartstrings because people didn’t want children or other people starving. The EBT user can purchase the ingredients to make their own pie. Flour, salt, vegetable shortening, fruit or nuts... IMHO, it should be used for food and not “packaged or pre-made food”. That is a convenience item (sort of like the slurpees and hot dogs that I saw paid for with an EBT card last week).


24 posted on 08/15/2012 5:42:54 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: SampleMan
Back in the day, they were called "commodities" and were handed out one day a month.

Good, solid, wholesome food with no frills and no cash.

Oh, some people sold the five pound block of cheese but that was pretty much the extent of the abuse.

25 posted on 08/15/2012 5:44:55 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: SnakeDoctor; SampleMan
Yeah, when we pay for it. I’m open to the argument that we shouldn’t pay for it. But, once we do, I don’t think we need to monitor exactly what people are eating

They need to buy flour, lard, salt -- baking supplies and fruit (canned or fresh) and learn how to make their own desserts. Perhaps they will learn a skill or trade -- experience the wonderful pride and satisfaction that comes from producing something with their own hands that is good and that their family enjoys.

26 posted on 08/15/2012 5:52:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If you’re wanting to inspire pride and satisfaction, you’d do better cutting them off rather than babysitting them.

SnakeDoc


27 posted on 08/15/2012 5:54:01 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: SnakeDoctor

I didn’t say anything about babysitting anyone doc.

Unfortunately for them (and us) progressives have intentionally crippled vast pockets of people, robbed them of their God given abilities by nurturing dependence, depression and dysfunction, and they did it to serve their own ends.


28 posted on 08/15/2012 5:59:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Truth29
Sounds like Braintree Farmers Market chairwoman Donna Ingemanson could use a little Freeping or at least some targeted emails and letters.

Braintree Farmers Market webpage
Market Manager: Donna Ingemanson - (781) 848-2012
Email - donnai@sustainablebraintree.org
29 posted on 08/15/2012 6:15:32 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Don't agree.. you don't give hand outs for beer and cigarettes...you don't help the poor's medical for face lifts and boob jobs...help for the poor is for basic needs...
30 posted on 08/15/2012 6:24:35 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: massmike
In fact, you’re the only one who is resistant to the idea.”

"Come on, everybody else is doing it!"

31 posted on 08/15/2012 6:25:36 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: massmike

Oh, very wise business owner...
If the heat in your MA kitchen gets too hot, please move to Hampton Roads, VA...
You’re our kind of baker!


32 posted on 08/15/2012 6:27:08 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Walrus

And, if I may add, printing money at an absolutely unsustainable rate...
I’m no Econ major but even I know that the more you have of something, the less valuable it is.


33 posted on 08/15/2012 6:31:53 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: matginzac

She was on WRKO this morning and after listening to the callers I think this lady’s business is about to experience a boom. The show is actually going to broadcast from her shop and one caller offered to buy lots of pies and deliver them to Fisher House.


34 posted on 08/15/2012 6:33:42 AM PDT by surrey
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To: SnakeDoctor

Being on welfare should be uncomfortable.


35 posted on 08/15/2012 6:33:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SnakeDoctor

You might consider that, if we were more strict about what they could purchase with those cards, the people who didn’t really need the assistance would be a lot less likely to abuse to the system.


36 posted on 08/15/2012 6:34:33 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SnakeDoctor
Businesses should have the option of not accepting food stamps, though. Not sure if they do.

But that's exactly what's happening here. It's a private retailer saying no, I will not accept EBT for my products. No one is monitoring what people are eating.
37 posted on 08/15/2012 6:36:09 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: tophat9000

Who said anything about beer and cigarettes, or face lifts and boob jobs? We’re talking about pies.

The question is whether we should bother monitoring the dinner menu of welfare queens. When people are using them on booze, cigarettes, drugs, or to pay their hooker ... there are certainly bigger problems than too much dessert.

This is more trouble than its worth. We have the power to do this ... but sometimes we’re all better off if the government doesn’t exercise every power they have. Use the money on drug testing instead.

SnakeDoc


38 posted on 08/15/2012 6:39:35 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: surrey

Wow, this in the state who has Warren even in the polls with Brown?
There may be a God!


39 posted on 08/15/2012 6:41:32 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Pie chart: Former RN grows business from humble start ...She Didn’t do that.


40 posted on 08/15/2012 6:42:33 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: andyk

I’m fine with that. Retailers shouldn’t be forced to accept welfare payments. We’d be better off if fewer did.

But, I wouldn’t support the government monitoring this stuff, which I get the feeling is what she was asking for. She should be able to decide for herself, but using government to monitor the junk food intake of welfare brats is a waste of time.

SnakeDoc


41 posted on 08/15/2012 6:44:38 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: dfwgator

Indeed it should.

SnakeDoc


42 posted on 08/15/2012 6:45:15 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: massmike

Whoopie-Pie-fil-A


43 posted on 08/15/2012 6:46:25 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: NCLaw441

I remember going downtown monthly to get the government cheese,....The retired cops and firemen in Erie,PA used to show up on free cheese days in Barrila’s bar. They would map out where six would go to the distribution points, at what time and which bars/restaurants they would sell the cheese to. At that time, you couldn’t buy a cheeseburger without welfare cheese. One restaurant even had a “Welfare Cheeseburger on it’s printed menu.


44 posted on 08/15/2012 6:52:02 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Who said anything about beer and cigarettes, or face lifts and boob jobs? We’re talking about pies.

In Massachusetts, we've recently had a big brou-ha-ha over EBT cards being used for beer, cigs, strippers, manicures, etc., etc., etc. like you wouldn't imagine. Even our Democrat super-majority General Court tried to curtail the abuse, and our p-o-s Governor actually fought his own party against some of the reforms - the ones he felt were too harsh for the gimme crowd.

So in essence, we kind of are talking about beer, cigarettes, face lifts, boob jobs, and yes, pies. Luxury items, in other words. And what this lady is saying is hey, I make a luxury item. If you're on EBT, you shouldn't be buying my stuff on the taxpayer's dime.

45 posted on 08/15/2012 6:52:53 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

HOUSTON..........”We rarely get cash,” said Keidrick James, a Randy’s manager, who estimates “99.1” of the company’s customers are Lone Star Card holders.

Randy’s drivers sell what the company bought from grocery behemoth Sysco Foods. Frozen meat and breaded shrimp. Catfish nuggets and chicken tenders.

But junk food is the big seller.

“Exactly,” James confirms.

Pop Tarts, Famous Amos and Oreo cookies. Honey buns, candy bars and corn dogs. Laffy Taffy and cheesecake. Pickles are the only vegetable listed on a Randy’s menu.

But in the nation’s fourth-largest city, a place trying to forget it was once named the nation’s fattest, where there are about 4,000 convenience stores and an ongoing grocery war in the city’s better neighborhoods west of downtown, it doesn’t seem like there’s a shortage of high caloric and, some would argue, junkier foods.

And the mobile food truck model is a striking one, especially as several states consider taxes on sugary snacks or have sought - as Texas unsuccessfully tried - to restrict food stamp clients from buying junk food.”.....

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Mobile-grocers-key-in-to-Lone-Star-card-market-3764557.php


46 posted on 08/15/2012 6:59:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Food is the purpose of food stamps. Pie is food.

I’m with you on the rest. In fact, that there are problems with these losers spending welfare money on strippers, booze, mainicures, etc. is exactly the reason the government shouldn’t waste time nitpicking which food people buy. There are clearly bigger problems.

I think any business owner should have the ability to refuse to accept foodstamps, though. Let freedom ring.

SnakeDoc


47 posted on 08/15/2012 7:00:16 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: SnakeDoctor

When I give my children money to spend, I continue to monitor how they spend it.

People on welfare are more like children than free citizens.

I also would not allow them to vote. If you cannot govern your own affairs, you have no business governing others.


48 posted on 08/15/2012 7:57:46 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
If they have $200 in welfare, it doesn’t matter to me if they buy all junk food, or lobster, or bare essentials — $200 is $200 is $200. Costs me the same either way. Let ‘em starve because they spent their whole check on one meal, or get fat because they bought a bunch of sugary junk, or whatever. I just don’t care if welfare queens eat healthy. Cut benefits to $100, or $0, if you want ... but using the manpower to police people’s diet is just a waste of time.

First, their EBT amount is in excess of what my family spends on groceries, so they won't starve.

Second, most don't rely on EBT to eat. Its gravy on top of their undeclared income. People in "poverty" have a nack for spending 150-200% their reported income.

Third, many sell EBT cards for cash at a discount. This allows the buyer to purchase $600 of lobster/steaks at a cost of $300. The black market EBT for cash would dry up a bit if you could only purchase staples.

Fourth, attaching a stigma to being on the dole is a good thing. Only being able to purchase certain cheap foods would serve that purpose well.

Fifth, people working hard to purchase hamburger get pissed when the EBT buyer in front of them loads up on expensive foods that they can't buy. It makes them feel like chumps and has the opposite effect as #4.

49 posted on 08/15/2012 8:11:33 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

I don’t disagree. Most should get less, or no, benefits. End them completely for all I care. Many ought to be audited to check for undeclared income. Cracking down on resales is a major problem. Stigma is essential — though you can’t force those without conscience to feel bad.

I agree most welfare queens are about as resonsible as children. I disagree that the government ought to parent them to the extent that we decide their menu.

If they’re selling cards, or are living more luxuriously than earners, or are defrauding the system by hiding income, or whatever ... freaking cut their benefits off.

The government just shouldn’t be in the business of monitoring what people eat. It won’t be too long before they extend that monitoring to all of us — for our own good, of course. If we have to go so far as to have some bureaucrat monitoring their dessert intake ... just end it altogether.

SnakeDoc


50 posted on 08/15/2012 8:28:55 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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