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Demoting Notre Dame
ESPN ^ | August 15, 2012 | Rick Reilly

Posted on 08/16/2012 5:23:43 AM PDT by C19fan

I once loved Notre Dame football.

My dad went to Notre Dame and flunked out and I still loved Notre Dame football. I loved Lindsey Nelson telling me "neither team advanced the ball so we move to further action in the fourth quarter" while my mom was yelling, "Get ready for mass!"

But I grew up.

I don't love Notre Dame football anymore. Notre Dame football has been living a lie, as Lou Holtz likes to say. Outlined against a blue-gray October sky, nothing happened. The echoes are in REM sleep. It has failed to advance the ball.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: football; notredame
I think when I am on my death bed I have confess to a Priest I hate Notre Dame. It's great this school that is so full of itself has been a laughing stock for the past 20 years.
1 posted on 08/16/2012 5:23:47 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan
I loved Lindsey Nelson telling me "neither team advanced the ball so we move to further action in the fourth quarter"

I grew up with that too. Every Sunday morning of the football season.

2 posted on 08/16/2012 5:34:51 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: C19fan
Notre Dame football has been living a lie
Football? What about the lie that ND is a Catholic school?


3 posted on 08/16/2012 5:37:19 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: C19fan
The article is essentially telling businesses (like NBC) how to run themselves. If Notre Dame is paid too much, then whoever is paying them will lose money, at least relative to what could have been made. It is market discipline, not the opinion of a sports commentator with nothing at stake. And I have never understood this obsession over ND not being in a conference for football - if it is such a bad financial decision then it is money out of ND’s pocket; why should anyone else care in the least? This is just a lazy article - meet a deadline by beating up on Notre Dame football.
4 posted on 08/16/2012 5:42:49 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: C19fan

I went to Notre Dame, and I can attest to the fact that they’re full of themselves. Their donations plummeted when they invited Obama to speak at their commencement and awarded him an honorary degree, but they have yet to issue an apology. They’re not as liberal as many other schools, but they’re still mostly liberals.

That being said, Notre Dame has less than 10,000 undergrad students. They don’t have cushy majors for athletes to hide in, so the guys you see on TV are pulling down a legitimate course load in a legitimate major. The school provides tutoring assistance for the players if they need it to keep up with the classes. I was one of those tutors and can say that most of the players when I was there were taking the academics seriously. Not all of them, but most.

That used to be a good excuse for why the football team isn’t doing well, but the success of Stanford and Navy against Notre Dame put the lie to that excuse. If you lose to Navy, you can’t blame your academic requirements. If you lose to Navy, it’s execution and discipline that beat you.


5 posted on 08/16/2012 5:47:34 AM PDT by pie_eater
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To: C19fan

I’m not sure this is even mostly Notre Dame’s fault. They don’t rank themselves, or force contracts on NBC, etc. The sports media over-covers them, overrates them, etc. This is a media problem.

Notre Dame isn’t a first rate program anymore, and hasn’t been for a long time. I think most ND fans know that. Even Mike Golic, a ND alum with a couple of kids going through ND, said as much. But, it still draws a crowd of obsessed, if delusional, fans. Probably still worth the advertising dollars ... they just shouldn’t be ranked or covered until they earn it.

SnakeDoc


6 posted on 08/16/2012 5:48:43 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: pie_eater

“That being said, Notre Dame has less than 10,000 undergrad students. They don’t have cushy majors for athletes to hide in, so the guys you see on TV are pulling down a legitimate course load in a legitimate major.”

Good! Just like the Ivies and how this whole student-athlete business should function.

If one wants to try their luck as a professional athlete, then form a set of feeder leagues like MLB or European soccer and give it a try. Just stop taking up seats from serious students and real student-athletes.


7 posted on 08/16/2012 5:53:47 AM PDT by mkboyce
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To: C19fan
If Notre Dame remained a dynasty, this article would've lamented some facts about the school using unfair recruiting practices, based upon its stellar reputation. Or that its alumni form a club of 1-percenters, so they have an unfair advantage over lesser schools.

I agree with Golic. Notre Dame isn't forcing NBC's hand--no other school would turn down the offers that ND gets.

8 posted on 08/16/2012 5:55:24 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: pie_eater
If you lose to Navy, you can’t blame your academic requirements. If you lose to Navy, it’s execution and discipline that beat you.

To be blunt Navy has been playing some games with their admission standards themselves; it's not as squeaky-clean as you might imagine, and a number of their players have been involved in some serious misbehavior as well.

9 posted on 08/16/2012 5:56:25 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Stingray51
"just a lazy article"

It's by Rick Reilly, the editor of SI who saw fit in one issue a few years ago to share his views about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Naturally, he was against both. Reilly is the poster boy for shoddy sports "journalism."

10 posted on 08/16/2012 6:01:45 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: C19fan

I talked with a recent ND alum. They are full of themselves. It annoyed me. Once in a while I’d ask when they last won something big. Made me chuckle that He had to reply the 80’s.


11 posted on 08/16/2012 6:03:47 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: C19fan

My Dad used to say that if Notre Dame put 11 paraplegic nuns on the field as their team, some asshat would still rank them in the Top 10.


12 posted on 08/16/2012 6:07:59 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: pie_eater

“That being said, Notre Dame has less than 10,000 undergrad students. They don’t have cushy majors for athletes to hide in, so the guys you see on TV are pulling down a legitimate course load in a legitimate major.”

Good! Just like the Ivies and how this whole student-athlete business should function.

If one wants to try their luck as a professional athlete, then form a set of feeder leagues like MLB or European soccer and give it a try. Just stop taking up seats from serious students and real student-athletes.


13 posted on 08/16/2012 6:08:31 AM PDT by mkboyce
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To: C19fan

It’s ironic because I just read a post on another blog from someone quoting Mark Twain: “Give a man a reputation as an early riser, and that man can sleep till noon.”


14 posted on 08/16/2012 6:09:54 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: C19fan

This man never loved Notre Dame. Never. A shameless excuse for a piece of writing. Ave Maria. Go Irish!


15 posted on 08/16/2012 6:19:30 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: driftless2

I stopped reading Rick Reilly’s crap years ago.

His purpose is not to enlighten or entertain, it is to show how much smarter he is than everyone else.

He and Costas are cut from the same putrid bolt of cloth.


16 posted on 08/16/2012 6:22:09 AM PDT by Walrus (ICH BIN EIN ARIZONAN!)
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To: pie_eater

“Google”— “USNA lowers requirements for minorities” and see why Navy’s team has improved


17 posted on 08/16/2012 6:32:54 AM PDT by capt B
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To: Walrus

Sometimes I love Reilly’s columns, sometimes I dislike them. I happen to think he is mostly right about ND.

He wrote a great piece on Tim Tebow earlier this year, “exposing” him as being even BETTER than his public image.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow


18 posted on 08/16/2012 6:45:07 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Walrus

agreed. Reilly is such an idiot, even when he may be correct, he’s unreadable.


19 posted on 08/16/2012 6:59:19 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ilgipper

I grew up living and loving Notre Dame Football and Basketball. I always told my parents when I was ready for college that is where I wanted to go.

My parents would just look at me and say, “you realize you are Jewish?”


20 posted on 08/16/2012 7:05:32 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

That wouldn’t matter to ND. They have students from every faith.


21 posted on 08/16/2012 7:13:40 AM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: Walrus
"putrid bolt of cloth"

Virtually all sports "journalists" are burgeoning leftist scribblers or talking heads. i.e. Keith Olbermann and Mike Lupica. ESPN has this guy named Dan Lebatard who a first years ago asked a man who knew Tiger Woods when Woods was going to get involved with social justice. I wanted to throw a brick through the radio.

In the demented minds of the leftist scribblers, the non-white percentage of professional athletes is still being treated like slaves in the cotton fields and the team sports owners are Simon Legrees. They can't get off the idea of oppressed minorities and evil owners and a white-dominated society keeping non-whites down. And this if after Michael Jordan owns a sports team and numerous minority athletes are multi-multi millionaires. And in the case of Woods a billionaire.

22 posted on 08/16/2012 7:30:53 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: C19fan

Just wondering; the Notre Dame degree used to be really worth something, unlike many big football schools. What about now? Are they just another academy of basket weaving and finger painting interpretation? Or are the athletes well prepared for the real world after grauation?


23 posted on 08/16/2012 7:41:44 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: pie_eater

Your post #5 seems to have answered my query.


24 posted on 08/16/2012 7:44:06 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Cousin Eddie

“That wouldn’t matter to ND. They have students from every faith.”

This was the 60’s and I was a Conservadox Jew.


25 posted on 08/16/2012 8:10:35 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: N. Theknow

My Dad used to say that if Notre Dame put 11 paraplegic nuns on the field as their team, some asshat would still rank them in the Top 10.

What’s your point? :)


26 posted on 08/16/2012 10:58:30 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
My parents would just look at me and say, “you realize you are Jewish?” Ave Oy Vey Maria!
27 posted on 08/16/2012 11:10:35 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: JimRed

I am a Notre Dame alum, so I am biased. An ND degree is probably worth even more today than it was 35 years ago, as the undergraduate student body is even stronger academically now. There are no “joke” majors, no “eligibility” tracks. Everyone who graduates has had to pass some serious courses to make it.

Having said that, I despise the ND Board of Trustees and wish that all of them would resign today. John “Iscariot” Jenkins seems to be nothing more than an impostor in a Roman collar, and needs to go. It is no surprise that the football team is on the skids; it is coached by a pro-abortion punk who looks like he is a candidate to suffer a stroke on the sidelines.

Rick Reilly, I think, is a Northwestern guy; very few of them have much of a regard for us (and the feeling is mutual, I don’t have much respect for “the mistake on the lake”). What Reilly says or writes can be taken with a grain of salt. However, we are on our way to another 8-5 season; I’d love to be wrong about this and ND exceed my expectations, but I don’t think so.


28 posted on 08/16/2012 3:05:42 PM PDT by nd76
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To: nd76
I am a Notre Dame alum, so I am biased.
My husband is an ND alum as well, '81, and he weighed in here (warning: he's seen Rudy "numerous" times:)) on Reilly. He also covered today's game (Go Ireland! Irish sinks Navy..) here: http://www.rantsports.com/lacesout/2012/09/01/go-ireland-notre-dame-sinks-navy-50-10-in-dublin-drubbing/
29 posted on 09/01/2012 4:44:23 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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