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HUMANS, NEANDERTHALS DID NOT HAVE BABIES
Discovery News ^ | Aug 16, 2012 | Anon

Posted on 08/17/2012 9:37:26 AM PDT by Pharmboy

Recent research strikes a blow to the theory that humans and Neanderthals interbred.

THE GIST Studies over the last two years suggest that Neanderthals vanished more than 30,000 years ago. This would mean that early humans and Neanderthals could not have interbred. enlarge

Over the last two years, several studies have suggested that Homo sapiens got it on with Neanderthals, an hominid who lived in parts of Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East for up to 300,000 years but vanished more than 30,000 years ago.

The evidence for this comes from fossil DNA, which shows that on average Eurasians and Asians share between one and four per cent of their DNA with Neanderthals, but Africans almost none.

But a new study by scientists at Britain's University of Cambridge says the shared DNA came from a shared ancestor, not from "hybridization" or reproduction between the two hominid species.

Common ancestor It begins with a common ancestors of Neanderthals and H. sapiens who lived around half a million years ago in parts of Africa and Europe.

Around 300,000 to 350,000 years ago, the European population and the African population of this hominid became separated.

Living in genetic isolation, the European range evolved bit by bit into Neanderthals, while the African range eventually became H. sapiens, which expanded in waves out of Africa from around 60,000 to 70,000 years ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.discovery.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; humanevolution; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; ntsa; ssdd
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Shared genes with a common ancestor or mating? But the fact that they died out 30k years ago does NOT prove that they did not mate.
1 posted on 08/17/2012 9:37:30 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

Joe Biden ?????


2 posted on 08/17/2012 9:38:33 AM PDT by polkajello (Romney: The Lesser of Two Weasels)
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To: SunkenCiv; Ernest_at_the_Beach; blam

Brow ridge ping...


3 posted on 08/17/2012 9:39:11 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

The older and hairier I get convinces me that there’s a neanderthal somewhere back in my family tree. I’m even starting to stoop like one!


4 posted on 08/17/2012 9:46:14 AM PDT by LaserJock
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To: Pharmboy

Dude, like Homo Sapiens chicks are sooo stuck up, like they're better'n us or sumptin'.


5 posted on 08/17/2012 9:48:08 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Pharmboy

If Human Beings (Homo Sapiens) and Neanderthals did not have babies, how did they reproduce and how are we still on this Earth? Can no one out there in editor land write a proper headline in the English language?


6 posted on 08/17/2012 9:48:13 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Pharmboy
"... several studies have suggested that Homo sapiens got it on with Neanderthals..."

What pointy-headed lib-dem moron wrote that?

7 posted on 08/17/2012 9:51:02 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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"... several studies have suggested that Homo sapiens got it on with Neanderthals..."

What pointy-headed lib-dem moron wrote that?

8 posted on 08/17/2012 9:51:18 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill

Ooops.


9 posted on 08/17/2012 9:52:20 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Pharmboy
Sure a lot of confusion about history. I'm not at all convinced there was this "humanoid" hundreds of thousands of years ago. Seems like every "proof" of this (usually tied to "proof" of the "missing link") has actually been proven to be a hoax. I think the earth is probably as old as geologists say it is. The Bible is the friend of true science because true science, tested by a valid scientific method, verifies what the Bible has already asserted.

The Bible indicates man has only been around for about 6000 years. God may have created something like man way before the "recreation" but so far the proof isn't there IMO.

BTW, there is a weird mating between humans and other beings spoken of in the Bible and seems to indicate comes when a society becomes grossly perverted. The offspring were giants called Nephilim. There's evidence Goliath was one of them. I believe they will return in these last days.

10 posted on 08/17/2012 9:53:08 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Pharmboy

This may be true, but the human mating with jackass connection has been proven beyond all doubt.

The offspring is called, “liberal”.


11 posted on 08/17/2012 9:54:15 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Pharmboy
humans, Neanderthals did not have babies

They were just close friends.

12 posted on 08/17/2012 9:55:39 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Pharmboy
Shared genes with a common ancestor or mating? But the fact that they died out 30k years ago does NOT prove that they did not mate.

I tend to agree with you. This area of science especially, builds these monumental conclusions with a little mortar of discovery, and a mountain of bricks that are made of conjecture. A level headed person takes these pronouncements with a grain of salt.
13 posted on 08/17/2012 9:56:41 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: centurion316

Good catch...


14 posted on 08/17/2012 9:57:34 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

That whole cultural barrier could have well been breached, with alcohol.


15 posted on 08/17/2012 9:58:13 AM PDT by lurk
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To: centurion316

I had a similiar thought. The headline would have benefited from an adverbial “together” at the end, but I knew what they meant.


16 posted on 08/17/2012 9:59:52 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: carriage_hill
"... several studies have suggested that Homo sapiens got it on with Neanderthals..."
It's obviously true.


17 posted on 08/17/2012 10:01:30 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: carriage_hill
"... several studies have suggested that Homo sapiens got it on with Neanderthals..."
What pointy-headed lib-dem moron wrote that?

Naah! She said she just wanted to be friends.

18 posted on 08/17/2012 10:03:26 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Pharmboy

if there’s a ‘common ancestor’, doesnt’ that mean that somewhere along the line SOMEbody mated?


19 posted on 08/17/2012 10:03:47 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Bratch

I see that picture, and I immediately think of the quote from the Monty Python "Village Idiot" sketch, "Well I may be an idiot, but I'm no fool."

20 posted on 08/17/2012 10:03:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pharmboy

Neither did the new article cited have ANYTHING to do with when Neanderthal disappeared.

It was a reanalysis of DNA data that proposed that the population that left Africa shared a more recent common ancestor with the Neanderthal population than the populations that stayed behind in Africa.

While of interest, the finding is hardly conclusive; and the authors language says that via their model there was “less” interbreeding that went on - not that it didn’t happen at all.

That is why journalists should have an actual scientist edit their copy before they send it out - besides not really understanding the subject and having a sensationalist agenda - most are absolute idiots.


21 posted on 08/17/2012 10:04:28 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: lurk
The cultural barrier was unbreachable. This is what a Neanderthal actually looked like:

neanderprofile, hairy ape with fur

Courtesy www.themandus.org

22 posted on 08/17/2012 10:05:57 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: PapaNew
The Bible indicates man has only been around for about 6000 years. God may have created something like man way before the "recreation" but so far the proof isn't there IMO.

What?? Fossils of modern man(us) have been found that are 50-100,000 years old. No, not a missing link but people who developed agricultural skills starting around 50,000 years ago.

23 posted on 08/17/2012 10:06:40 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Bratch

A hobbit and a red headed neanderthal lass?


24 posted on 08/17/2012 10:06:47 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1306 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: carriage_hill

The same ones who routinely write articles saying that animals “make love”.


25 posted on 08/17/2012 10:06:58 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: LaserJock

Funny you should mention that.. started getting hair on my back (never realized I had any there until I had an itch and reached back to scratch it.. and there was patch.. probably been there for a decade, and I didn’t notice... checked the other side.. one there too :p)..

Wondering how much a wax job would cost here now.. hehe..


26 posted on 08/17/2012 10:06:58 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: brytlea

LOL.


27 posted on 08/17/2012 10:09:32 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: varmintman; camle; Alkhin; Professional Engineer; katana; Mr. Silverback; MadIvan; agrarianlady; ...
You are making the assumption that the sex was consensual.


28 posted on 08/17/2012 10:10:24 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1306 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: PapaNew

seems to indicate comes when a society becomes grossly perverted.

Then somewhere there’s got to be some giants running around!


29 posted on 08/17/2012 10:11:55 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: camle
Well, not with each other, and that is the point of this sloppy article. If there was an ancestor out of Africa who gave rise to both Neanderthals and our direct proto-human ancestors, then both Neanderthals and humans would share genes with each other AND with the common ancestor.
30 posted on 08/17/2012 10:14:14 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: camle
Well of course.

Say that we have population A - this population gave rise to all human and all neanderthal populations.

Population A gave rise to population B and C and D and E and F. Populations B and C were closely related, interbred, and shared common ancestry with each other more than either does with D, E and F.

Population B leaves Africa and is the founding population that gave rise to Neanderthal.

Populations C, D, E, and F stay around Africa.

Later population C leaves Africa and is the founding population for all non-African humans. Population D, E and F stay in Africa.

Population C that gave rise to all non-African humans STARTED OUT more closely related to population B, and needed no interbreeding with population B to be more similar.

Population B dies out, leaving only populations C, D, E, and F - the founding populations of all modern human population groups.

The similarity of populations B and C could have come about because they started out more similar due to them sharing a more recent common ancestor. OR it could have come about because there was a bit of interbreeding between populations B and C. OR it could be a combination of both scenarios.

31 posted on 08/17/2012 10:15:29 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Pharmboy

oh. so it was a rare ancestor;-)


32 posted on 08/17/2012 10:15:49 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: varmintman

Sure - no actual data supports Neanderthal looking like that - but if that is what floats your boat - go on with your bad self!


33 posted on 08/17/2012 10:17:42 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: camle
It would have been, perhaps, from an advanced Homo erectus, an ancestor found all over the world. These are the ones who gave rise to us...and probably Neanderthal.
34 posted on 08/17/2012 10:20:00 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: null and void; Mr. Silverback; martin_fierro; Slings and Arrows; Fledermaus; Lancey Howard; ...

35 posted on 08/17/2012 10:20:58 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: allmendream

Good job with that...much better than my attempt.


36 posted on 08/17/2012 10:21:13 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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ok..i suppose being erectus helped facilitate all that mating...


37 posted on 08/17/2012 10:21:13 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Bratch

NEVER figured that one out...


38 posted on 08/17/2012 10:21:34 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Pharmboy

30,000 year age difference. Now THAT’S what I call a Cougar!


39 posted on 08/17/2012 10:22:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: camle

As my grandma might have said: “Couldn’t hurt.”


40 posted on 08/17/2012 10:22:57 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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“The cultural barrier was unbreachable. This is what a Neanderthal actually looked like: “

Looks like Moochelle when she’s mad.


41 posted on 08/17/2012 10:23:26 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Pharmboy

i reckon it would depend upon how the erectus was...


42 posted on 08/17/2012 10:23:58 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: trailhkr1
modern man(us) have been found that are 50-100,000 years old. No, not a missing link but people who developed agricultural skills

Hmmm. Ever wonder how they communicated? Don't you find it puzzling that there is no recorded history or writings found older than 5000 years ago?

There's a lot of things that don't fit with "modern man" that old. As far as I know, it hasn't been validated by true scientific investigation (like Darwinism). The age and nature of these "fossils" if they turn out to actually be true fossils are questionable.

43 posted on 08/17/2012 10:25:39 AM PDT by PapaNew
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HUMANS, NEANDERTHALS DID NOT HAVE BABIES

Who'd want to???


44 posted on 08/17/2012 10:29:01 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Pharmboy

Yes, that claim is spurious, since they date Homo Sapiens remains to 100,000 years in the same areas that Neanderthals were living.


45 posted on 08/17/2012 10:29:15 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Bitsy
seems to indicate comes when a society becomes grossly perverted.

Then somewhere there’s got to be some giants running around!

If they're not here already, they will be soon, I believe, for God's final judgement on the earth before His glorious return.

46 posted on 08/17/2012 10:29:19 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: allmendream
Here's one that I had never seen before of a Neanderthal woman. Would have needed more than beer goggles.


47 posted on 08/17/2012 10:30:07 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

Is that a club you’re carrying, or are you just happy to see me?


48 posted on 08/17/2012 10:31:45 AM PDT by Tar and Feathers (http://tarandfeathersusa.wordpress.com/)
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To: PapaNew
Hmmm. Ever wonder how they communicated? Don't you find it puzzling that there is no recorded history or writings found older than 5000 years ago?

They communicated orally and did pictures. There are intricate cave paintings which are 40,800 years old found in Spain. Just because man did not learn to write until fairly recently does not mean they were not man. We did not learn how to fly until the early part of the last century..does not mean we are not human because we were not flaying 5000 years ago. does it?

There was a house foundation found in England that is 11,500 years old.

49 posted on 08/17/2012 10:33:22 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Pharmboy
The team also calculate that humans split from chimpanzees - our closest primate relative - around seven to eight million years ago, earlier than the six-to-seven million years ago that is a common estimate.

So why are there chimps still swinging from vines, yet supposedly humans evolved (and evolved and evolved...)?

Humans share DNA with chimps (95%), but also share it with cats (90%) and fruit flies and even bananas (50%).

50 posted on 08/17/2012 10:34:13 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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