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Women should stay out of workforce (Letter to Editor)
Washington Observer-Reporter ^ | August 14, 2012 | Donn C. Drummond

Posted on 08/20/2012 4:24:15 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Prior to World War II and immediately thereafter, most married women in this country worked in their homes raising their children and keeping house. Then during the late 1960s, radical feminists encouraged young women to set aside their traditional family roles as homemakers, helpmates, child nurturers and husband civilizers for something trumpted as much more rewarding.

Women were told that being a stay-at-home mom was nothing more than enslavement perpetrated by their male chauvinist husbands. Forget family life and children. Women could be happy and achieve fulfillment by capably competing with men in the workplace for equal jobs with equal pay.

--snip--

What would happen today if most married women remained in the home fulfilling their traditional family roles? Think about how salaries and wages for men would move upward if a shortage of labor prevailed in this country.

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One man's solution to the unemployment problem. It's causing a bit of a stir in one of the local (Washington County, PA) papers.
1 posted on 08/20/2012 4:24:27 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I would love to help this guy out but with the damnation of our country and the high cost of living and food and insurance and gas and college and taxes well I guess I can’t.


2 posted on 08/20/2012 4:25:54 AM PDT by angcat (Without Valor there is no hope.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I’ll just sit back and see how many morons think this is a totally sane commentary.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 4:26:32 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The H-1b quota program would make quick work about wages going, get that mister. Lets all get this straight, the powers that reside on K street will make sure there will be no free market for wages in this country. US citizens will be undercut at every junction.


4 posted on 08/20/2012 4:29:41 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: VanDeKoik
Maybe nobody will come right out and say it, but I've seen quite a few cases where people who would never openly call for this are actually carrying it out. I know several families where one spouse has lost her job, and after many months of unsuccessfully seeking good, solid employment they've made a decision to have her stay home purely on financial grounds.

If you sit down and put a pencil to it, you'd be surprised how little net income a working couple receives from the second spouse. When you factor in the costs associated with the second spouse's employment (a second car, child care, a higher tax bracket, etc.) you often find that even many professionals who represent a second income in a married couple are basically working for less than minimum wage.

5 posted on 08/20/2012 4:36:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

My mom worked, but not until my brother and I were in HS.

I think it’s OK for women to work, but they have to decide if the trade-off is worth it.

If having annual vacations, a better car, a bigger, better house, etc. than you might own with just ONE paycheck, is woth spending LESS quality time with your kids... then that’s YOUR choice.

You can’t then disparage ‘society’ if your kid becomes a monster you don’t recognize.

IMHO

OK, flame me now.


6 posted on 08/20/2012 4:37:36 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: angcat

He also seems to forget that some of us womenfolk in the workforce are not married with children.


7 posted on 08/20/2012 4:37:57 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Well, maybe his dream will be realized once muslims come to power in the US.


8 posted on 08/20/2012 4:38:24 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Hey, it works for us. Just because you don’t have the smarts to make it work for you doesn’t mean the idea is insane.


9 posted on 08/20/2012 4:44:25 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I would love to stay home but the taxes upon taxes upon taxes make that impossible. My family’s life quality would drastically reduce. I’m not taking about hand-me-downs and homemade bread, I’m talking about almost no clothes and tilling up the rest of the yard to plant wheat. I already garden and can to supplement our food. Our child care expenses are very little since my husband works 24 hour shifts and is off for 48 hours. I’m off every evening, weekend, holiday, and summer. I’d love to be home all the time with my kids, but that means Big Gov would need to take a (much needed whether I stay home or not) pay cut.


10 posted on 08/20/2012 4:46:28 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

What about when men controlled all the money and doled out ‘housekeeping’ money to their wives? If a marriage is an equal partnership, then if the wife stays at home she should have equal access to the joint bank account and no whinging on the part of the husband about how he earns all the money and has the right to the whole say on how it is spent.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 4:47:29 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: VanDeKoik
I’ll just sit back and see how many morons think this is a totally sane commentary.

Gotta love open mindedness! Must be a liberal. Women were the glue that held society together while they were trying to keep the roof from falling in. Not to suggest that women should not be allowed to work but we need to stop chastising those that choose to focus on family rather than profession.
12 posted on 08/20/2012 4:51:09 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I wonder what the Taliban’s official position is on this idea....


13 posted on 08/20/2012 4:52:07 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

He needs an education in some simple, demographic data.

Married women with children are but a portion of the workforce. Large numbers are working who aren’t married, or who are married but don’t have children, or who don’t have young children.

In addition, I had to smile and shake my head at the mention that some women are choosing this option of staying at home for themselves.

WHAT?

How else would this be done, except by choice??

Is there some way to MANDATE that every woman not work outside the home???

Short of submitting to Sharia Law, as was pointed out, that is...

This has to be one of the silliest “ideas” out there, and that’s saying a LOT.


14 posted on 08/20/2012 4:52:12 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

until Sharia law is the law of the land(which is what the regime is fighting for)....Don’t expect Women to stay out of the workplace anytime soon.

that paradigm, has gone the way of the buggywhip.


15 posted on 08/20/2012 4:53:45 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

True but even most married women are working today. I would love not to work but I don’t even see that happening I don’t even see a retirement. I will work till I croak :)


16 posted on 08/20/2012 4:56:35 AM PDT by angcat (Without Valor there is no hope.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I don’t think making this a gender issue is accurate.

My wife and I believed that raising our children ourselves was a priority and we made our lives evolve to where this was possible.

Many couples have not considered this prior to having a family—and thus they are not in a position to make it financially.

In my opinion, we will get to the point where a one worker family might become the norm as jobs are lost and there is a return of a more multi- generational, nuclear family.


17 posted on 08/20/2012 4:57:57 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: txrangerette

The author is a moron.


18 posted on 08/20/2012 5:01:36 AM PDT by sakic
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Prior to World War II and immediately thereafter, most married women in this country worked in their homes raising their children and keeping house.

Actually, (in the US) there is a very narrow window in which this was the norm and usually was limited to classes in which the household could afford a single career outside the home. The author is referring to the time usually known as the era of 'working class leisure'. Prior to around the 1920s (1830s to 1920s generally accepted as the peak of this), in non-farm families the women worked, just as today, usually in factories, mills, etc. Daughters would often go with their mothers to the job to learn the job just as sons would go with fathers. With the exception of the earliest years, child raising was separated by gender and each gender would learn the craft of the prior.

The exception usually is seen in either farming households or pioneer households (usually there is a cross-over in this) where the household was also the business and the farming duties were handled among all in the household.

What the author of this letter has is basically the 'convenient' view portrayed in movies that make everything in the past seem ideal and easy.

19 posted on 08/20/2012 5:03:15 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The problem is, in this day and age with divorce laws the way they are, a man is a slave if his wife stays at home.


20 posted on 08/20/2012 5:04:31 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
What a wonderful way of looking at marriage.

No wonder our culture is so screwed up.

21 posted on 08/20/2012 5:11:37 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: vet7279

Gotta love open mindedness! Must be a liberal. “

No. I’m just not one of those people that lives to tell other Americans how they ought to structure their lives.


22 posted on 08/20/2012 5:11:55 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: ShadowAce

Aren’t you the clueless one.


23 posted on 08/20/2012 5:14:09 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: ShadowAce

“Hey, it works for us. Just because you don’t have the smarts to make it work for you doesn’t mean the idea is insane.”

Yeah, that’s what I was saying. /s

The idiot in the OpEd wants to solve unemployment by harboring a fantasy that if all the women just go home, everything will sort itself out.

That is stupidity. If you agree with that stupidity just because it plays to your personal belief that your wife should not work then that is really sad


24 posted on 08/20/2012 5:16:07 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: mamelukesabre
The problem is, in this day and age with divorce laws the way they are, a man is a slave if his wife stays at home.

This is sad, but true. A man divorcing his non-working wife is totally screwed. (or not as the case may be)

25 posted on 08/20/2012 5:18:07 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Yeah. I'm clueless.

That's why I'm still married to my first and only wife after 25+ years of marriage.

That's why we have successfully raised two boys.

That why we've done all that on only one income.

26 posted on 08/20/2012 5:20:49 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: VanDeKoik
I agree that forcing all women back home is not feasible, intelligent, or desirable.

However, the family is almost always better off with a one-income, nuclear-style, way of living.

27 posted on 08/20/2012 5:23:04 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Well gee, That would assume this society has any honorable men left.

A woman would be very stupid to trust her Christian husband this day and age and stay home and raise their kids only to get dumped for the whore he works with as soon as the last kid is grown.

She having spent the last 20 years working on a career and and the stupid trusting stay ay home mom at 48 unprepared for a career...yep sounds like a plan to me.

28 posted on 08/20/2012 5:32:09 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Alberta's Child

EXACTLY!


29 posted on 08/20/2012 5:32:46 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will j rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: ShadowAce

My heart goes out to those families that want to have mom at home but don’t see a way to swing it financially. My advice would be... don’t underestimate the provision of God. His economy is not our economy. I have been home since I was first married(19 yrs) and almost every day I see how God can stretch a dollar.


30 posted on 08/20/2012 5:43:49 AM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: happyhomemaker

Not only stretch the dollar, but provide when we need it the most.


31 posted on 08/20/2012 5:47:00 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Alberta's Child

The scenario of the second job not being worth it it after taxes, work related expenses, etc. assumes that that job doesn’t pay well.

There ARE better paying jobs available to those with technical or professional degrees.


32 posted on 08/20/2012 5:51:28 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Lady Heron

Well if the husband is so dishonorable to dump his stay at home wife for another woman then at least the kids have the benefit of a faithful mother who chose to stay at home with them and may not be so damaged by their father’s actions. I would also challenge people to study the Proverbs 31 woman. She is not a woman who just sits at home watching soaps.


33 posted on 08/20/2012 5:55:02 AM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: WildHighlander57

There are a lot of couples where each makes the same income as the other.
In order to avoid the “marriage penalty” taxes, they got married in church only, and didn’t record it at the county.
All the feds see are two single people.


34 posted on 08/20/2012 5:55:46 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: SMARTY

After my divorce, if I didn’t have a job, to stay at home I would have had to be on welfare.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 5:59:50 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Actually, this guy is near the point, but misses it.

Women going to work has been a SCAM and a COMPLETE SCREWING!

Unfortunately, you need more data to make the point, but it does exist. If you will graph the rise of women leaving the home and entering the workforce, primarily in the 60’s and 70’s, and then graph the double digit inflation that occurred in the 70’s and 80’s, you'll quickly see the true nature of the scam.

Yes people had twice as much income, and were soon paying twice as much in price. In other words, the extremely valuable benefit of a full time mothers was given up - for nothing.

As someone who grew up in the 50’s and 60’s with the valuable benefit of a full time mother, I am constantly amazed at how much stress there is on people that work for us, even though they are two incomes. My Dad's salary was 1/8 of the combined salaries of people that work for us, yet they are constantly in a money crunch.

Sorry, but thanks to inflation, we've given up the fundamental glue that kept kids in line and held families together - for nothing!

36 posted on 08/20/2012 6:03:39 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: ShadowAce

Yep. You are correct. That is why you are clueless.


37 posted on 08/20/2012 6:10:24 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Women should stay out of workforce (Letter to Editor)

So... women whose husbands have dumped them for trophy wives should... what?

38 posted on 08/20/2012 6:11:46 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: VanDeKoik
Well, the guy is sorta on the right track, though this is not just about women.

My niece recently had twins, & graduated college with a teaching certificate. She wants to teach.

Why have twins only to let a stranger in day care raise them? That is insane, IMO. Why would you miss the most formative & beautiful time of your child's life to run roughshod over other people's children? If that is her idea of parenting, SHE IS WRONG!

MY point is that it is fine if both spouses work, but when they have kids, one of them needs to raise them, not a day care center. Doesn't matter which parent stays home, man or woman. I'm inclined to believe that women do a better job of civilizing young kids, but that's just my opinion, & certainly is dependent on individual families.

IMO, the main reasons women flooded the workforce in the last 50 years are high taxes & inflation. Taxes on all levels have kept up with & surpassed inflation, while wages have not. For a family to prosper, the wife had to work.

This has had a devastating effect on the children. Parents no longer have time to civilize their children, leaving this task to strangers, with predictable results. Note to new parents: NOBODY but you loves your children! Parents are too busy or tired after work to help with school work or just interact with their children. Parents become detached from the child's world rather than being a necessary integral part.

Now, before some of you jump on me to say how there are many 2 income households with successful children - Certainly there are, but this is the exception. Most folks cannot juggle 2 jobs, kids, & home responsibilities effectively. The kids usually suffer, as does society that must deal with these maladjusted young people.

As for the sexist notion of the title: Bull Pucky!

39 posted on 08/20/2012 6:17:50 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This is a bunch of hog wash. WWII got the housewives out of the home and into the factories. It was patriotic to do so, as all the able bodied men went off to war.


40 posted on 08/20/2012 6:28:43 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: mamelukesabre

Actually, the divorce statistics show that the standard of living for men goes up and for women goes way down when they divorce. The resentment of men paying child support is a real problem since the women do the child care and are expected to have some sort of (low paying) job and the parent with whom the child(ren) reside(s) always must provide an amount equal and well in excess to the little bit the parent paying child support contributes. So who is the slave?


41 posted on 08/20/2012 6:36:14 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: angcat

Rush said that one parent works to pay the living expenses - the other works to pay the taxes.

So get back to work. Millions of folks with EBTs need you to pay for their steak, lobster, beer, soda, cigs, and lottery tickets.


42 posted on 08/20/2012 6:38:50 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: chae

I think that’s a different situation


43 posted on 08/20/2012 6:40:41 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Mister Da

My teen daughter came to me the other day to share that one of her teen friends has gone wild and is now involved in some terrible activities. This is the 3rd child in a family of 4 to go off the deep end and she could not understand how such nice parents could have almost all their kids go “bad” She is studying biology so she concluded that it must be bad genes. Sadly I know these very nice parents and they are both have very “important” jobs that seem to consume them. It is very hard to share your energy with two competing forces and more and more I see women who decide to give their 110% to their careers.


44 posted on 08/20/2012 6:44:40 AM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: yldstrk

You are a liar.


45 posted on 08/20/2012 6:50:50 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

You’re falling behind! You’re falling behind! If you’re 28, you should have a 4000 square foot house, a big SUV, a pickup truck, a boat and a cabin on the lake. Damn the children, you’re falling behind.


46 posted on 08/20/2012 6:51:29 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Alberta's Child
If you sit down and put a pencil to it, you'd be surprised how little net income a working couple receives from the second spouse. When you factor in the costs associated with the second spouse's employment (a second car, child care, a higher tax bracket, etc.) you often find that even many professionals who represent a second income in a married couple are basically working for less than minimum wage.

Add to the "etc" having to get a cleaning service; eating out or using more "easy prepare" foods -- you may find the net contribution is negative.

47 posted on 08/20/2012 6:53:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: Mister Da; All

Spot on, as is the author. As another poster pointed out, the dynamic of a stay-at-home mom, as we remember it, is a relatively new, and almost uniquely American idea. Prior to the late 19th century, women worked as much and as hard as men, as did children, although in an agrarian culture, the wife’s work did consist of more of the “household” chores, but that was due to the work being more suitable to her than farming the fields or operating the mill (not that some did not do that).

If anything, that brief, idyllic period should remind us of what we have given up in the last 60 years as our culture and our government have changed and grown beyond all recognition. Even in some of the posts agreeing with the author, there is just a hint of condecension when referring to those who don’t “plan” correctly.

Pope Paul VI had it right all those years ago. First comes the denial of the obvious differences between men and women, and the attempt to make them the same. Then comes the “planning” of families (forget about God being a partner in your marriage) and then comes abortion as the stop-gap contraception. In a world where the act that was designed for procreation becomes simply another pastime, why wonder that culture has all but fallen apart.

This author’s opinion would not solve all of the problems to which he alluded, although it would alleviate them to some degree, however, it is only another small symptom of the greater breakdown of American society in general.


48 posted on 08/20/2012 6:57:10 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: Lady Heron
A woman would be very stupid to trust her Christian husband this day and age and stay home and raise their kids only to get dumped for the whore he works with as soon as the last kid is grown.

Speaking as a man married for 30 years to a stay-at-home wife, and observing my two-career friends -- a wife increases her probability of being divorced if her career makes her chronically too tired for sex, and having to both do housework makes both too tired to enjoy each other's company.

49 posted on 08/20/2012 6:59:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Flat truth


50 posted on 08/20/2012 7:03:49 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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