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Does this libtard have a point? Better Off without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession
Powell's Books ^ | August, 2012 | Chuck Thompson

Posted on 08/21/2012 8:12:12 AM PDT by teflon9

Lets talk about secession. Not exactly the most suitable cocktail party conversation starter anywhere in the country, but take that notion deep into the heart of Dixie and you might find yourself running from the possum-hunting conservatives, trailer-park lifers, and prayer warriors Chuck Thompson encountered during the two years he spent traveling the American South asking the question: Would we be better off without em?

The result is a heavily researched, serious inquiry into national divides which is unabashedly controversial, often uproarious, and always thought-provoking. From a church service in Mobile, Alabama, where the gospel entertainer announces "Islam is upon us!" to a store selling Ku Klux Klan memorabilia on a quaint little street in South Carolina — Thompson lifts the green velvet drapes on a South that would seem to belong more to the time of Rhett and Scarlett than the dawn of the twenty-first century.

By crunching numbers, interviewing experts, and roaming the not-so-former Confederacy, Thompson — an openly disgruntled liberal from the Northwest — makes a compelling case for southern secession. What would the new nations look like if Virginia governor Bob McDonnell was elected as the first President of the Confederate States of America? If a southern electorate was left to fend for itself while the North did damage control on an auto industry decimated by cut-rate, union-defying southern voters for the last hundred years? If the BCS championship football game were replaced by a North vs. South Coca Cola/ Starbucks Blood Bowl™? If Florida went to the South and Texas to the North in the most complex land-and-population grab in American history?


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Humor; Travel
KEYWORDS: adios; differences; irreconcilable; secede
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Powell's calls this: "Better Off without Em is a deliberately provocative book whose insight, humor, fierce and fearless politics, and sheer nerve will spark a national debate that is perhaps long overdue." It's more like a snarky, elitist and highly stereotypical view of "the South", but does he have a point buried somewhere in all that bile?
1 posted on 08/21/2012 8:12:15 AM PDT by teflon9
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To: teflon9

Only problem is most of the West and Midwest would go with the South this time leaving the Leftists to starve in their enclaves in the North East, the Rust Belt and the West Coast.


2 posted on 08/21/2012 8:15:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: teflon9

All the insults against the South and conservatives in general asside, I’m ready to get the National Divorce proceedings going.


3 posted on 08/21/2012 8:17:20 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: teflon9

Great notion—to divide and conquer ourselves so that our enemies don’t have to do it for us.


4 posted on 08/21/2012 8:17:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: teflon9

In the absence of hard-working, tax-paying Southerners, the liberal North would collapse economically in short order.

(Didn’t you just love the dripping condescension in this piece?)


5 posted on 08/21/2012 8:18:26 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth.)
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To: teflon9

No he’s an idiot like any other idiot who buys into the red state blue state manipulation.

If he wanted to have a point he should suggest that the cities secede from the rest of America. They would die but they would learn something.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 8:18:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MachIV

How come it is that nobody gives a thought to how this will affect foreign relations . . . ? A divided USA will encourage enemies greatly.


7 posted on 08/21/2012 8:19:05 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: teflon9

I wonder sometimes if they have thought this through. Liberal Elitism and their NIMBY attitude have driven the large bulk of the military South. Have they considered this point when making this argument?


8 posted on 08/21/2012 8:20:31 AM PDT by USMCWife6869
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To: teflon9
Yawn. Another elitist takes up the old meme of anti-Southronism.
Nothing new to see here, move along.
9 posted on 08/21/2012 8:21:32 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: teflon9

Guess where the industries that vacated the north and upper midwest went?

South.

Yeah, sure. Let’s leave. This time, peacefully.


10 posted on 08/21/2012 8:23:47 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: teflon9
Review: "Thank you for the copy of Better Off without 'Em, but I'm afraid it's New York and San Francisco that I think should secede." P.J. O’Rourke

Yep, hee hee hee

11 posted on 08/21/2012 8:24:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Olog-hai

1/2 our military, would still be the best in the world.
...China is claiming islands from Japan.
Egypt remilitarizing the Sinai.
Iran has been working on getting nucs for a DECADE,
even during Bush’s years.
Christians being killed from the Phillipines to Nigeria.
...and America as a “whole” does nothing.
With the Marxists allied with the Muslims, the economy of the world is being destroyed.
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all evil requires, is for good men to do... nothing.
and right now, a LOT of good men, are effectively doing...
nothing.
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a strong vibrant “half”, taking a much more active role,
would be of vastly greater benefit.


12 posted on 08/21/2012 8:30:25 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: teflon9
You'd think that the Johnny Rebs would have learned their lesson the LAST time they started this secession crapola.





(Do we have to go dig up General Sherman and send him down there to burn Atlanta down again?)
13 posted on 08/21/2012 8:31:40 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: teflon9

Most of these whackos don’t really think much, and stuff like this is just fodder for the liberal nutballs, who mostly teeter on the edge of sanity anyway.

As New Orleans showed us all, when the food, fuel, and water run out, the average Dem voters turn on each other, violently. A liberal paradise.


14 posted on 08/21/2012 8:32:55 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: teflon9

We wouldn’t mind, that’s for sure.


15 posted on 08/21/2012 8:36:39 AM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: Olog-hai

How come it is that nobody gives a thought to how this will affect foreign relations . . . ? A divided USA will encourage enemies greatly.
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we are already divided. our allies, CANNOT count on us, from one election to the next.
(just as businesses, find it impossible to make long range plans)
a stable economy, and stable foreign policy our allies can trust and depend on, would be a vast improvement.
with the current polarization, it is simply impossible.


16 posted on 08/21/2012 8:37:12 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MNJohnnie

Actually, CA produces over half the Nation’s food.

But, I have been advocating this for awhile now. Neither side is EVER going to convince the other. We are going to lurch back and forth from election to election. Before we get into another real civil war, let’s just call it a day and split in two.

So I agree . . .let’s divide into two Nations. Would be doable over a 10-15 year period. Not easy, but doable.


17 posted on 08/21/2012 8:39:27 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: teflon9

OK! Fine by me! I’m glad the Yankees are starting to see the error of their ways, even if it took them 150 years to do so. Normal Americans, including Midwesterners and Far West citizens who want to embrace healthy American values, can live in the CSA. The rest of the libs can stay north of the border fence we’ll put up.

It would probably be best if all the Klansmen, racists, and haters moved north, however. They’d be more at home up there. Yes, there’s some racism in the South, but the worst racists I’ve ever met were in major Northern cities.

The only trouble I foresee is that within a few years the Northern States of America will collapse economically, and they’ll be beating down the doors to sneak in here illegally. Kinda like Mexico.


18 posted on 08/21/2012 8:40:52 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Um, did you read the article? This is not a Southerner proposing secession, this a libtard proposing to eject the Southern states from the Union with the exception of Texas - those rotten b@stards want the best part of the South for themselves.

As to Sherman, were he alive today he’d have already recaptured Washington DC from the traitors who currently run it.


19 posted on 08/21/2012 8:41:34 AM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: Olog-hai

Precisely!

Why do you thing the Brits backed the Confederacy so hard during the Civil War. It had a lot more to do than the Limeys wanting to ensure cotton supplies for their textile factories. The British were becoming increasingly worried about growing American power and wanted to see the country split in two to neutralize the threat as they saw it.

Of course, considering that PM Viscount Palmerston was a devious, finagling, Machiavellian SOB this shouldn’t surprise anyone.


20 posted on 08/21/2012 8:42:12 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: Elendur

Our “allies” have long been more of a burden to us than a help. Let’s face it, far more benefits have flowed from the New World to the Old World, than the other way around. We gave them potatoes, corn and tomatoes, they gave us smallpox, malaria and slavery. Heckuva trade.


21 posted on 08/21/2012 8:42:54 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

That point of history ought not be lost on anyone. The notion of doing the job of our enemies for us while thinking that a mostly-conservative “half” of a non-united states would be stronger is an error.


22 posted on 08/21/2012 8:44:17 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Emperor Palpatine

After Antietam (9/1862) the Brits didn’t do too much heavy lifting on the CSA’s behalf.


23 posted on 08/21/2012 8:45:17 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: teflon9

Don’t forget about their giving us Marxism and Fabianism too. That has been the greatest poisoning of our society.


24 posted on 08/21/2012 8:45:33 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: teflon9

Texas could be a breakaway republic rather cleanly. They have their own power grid, their own ports, their own energy sources, their own cities of commerce and they’ll fix their border with Mexico the right way without Washington’s foot-dragging.

And if ObamaCare becomes law and everyone is forced to government-run health care, Texas has tons of hospitals and some of the finest health facilities in the country to take in all those who want to violate the law and get the care they can afford.

Truly, Texas’ economy could run circles around America’s without an EPA, OSHA and other impediments to business. They’re already one of the strongest economic states even with Washington’s meddling.


25 posted on 08/21/2012 8:45:56 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: teflon9

Why Secede? Kick the New England states out with the west coast as well as Ill. They have nothing in common with the rest.


26 posted on 08/21/2012 8:49:19 AM PDT by crz
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To: teflon9

I noticed the liberal author wants to send Texas to the North while the South keeps Florida in his idiot manuverings.

I can tell you, speaking as a seventh generation Texan, there isn’t a native Texan worth their salt that would agree to that scenario, and we would be happy to meet him at the Texas border to discuss the issue.


27 posted on 08/21/2012 8:50:52 AM PDT by Texas56
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To: teflon9

I often hear Mike Church on Sirius/XM Patriot advocating secession, and always think of the same question: “What happens to the nuclear stockpile?”


28 posted on 08/21/2012 8:52:24 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Texas56

True dat! No one ever told this genius that you can’t have your cake and eat it too.


29 posted on 08/21/2012 8:53:05 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: teflon9

Why does this ass assume that this is a North and South thing?


30 posted on 08/21/2012 8:56:46 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: teflon9

I’m a seventh generation Texan. My ancestors fought Mexico. The North cannot have Texas!


31 posted on 08/21/2012 9:00:41 AM PDT by wontbackdown
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To: teflon9

Texas would NEVER side with the North over the South. That being said, I’d have NO problem with secession by the South. I’d move there in a heartbeat from Southwestern Ohio.


32 posted on 08/21/2012 9:01:20 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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To: bassmaner
“What happens to the nuclear stockpile?”

The conservative 'break-aways' get it...the left hates anything 'nuclear'...what would they need nukes for?

33 posted on 08/21/2012 9:03:45 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: teflon9
"Islam is upon us in The White House!"

Islam is in the White House!...is more appropos.

34 posted on 08/21/2012 9:03:48 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: Olog-hai

The Conservative nation that emerges should immediately write into it’s constitution(Hopefully we just commendere the existing one as our own since the Libs seem to hate it anyway) an article specifically forbidding membership in any such organization as a United Nations, League of Nations, or other such sovereignty underminding organizations. We can ford our own foreign relations without handwringing over what Belgium might think of us.


35 posted on 08/21/2012 9:05:03 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: OpusatFR
Guess where the industries that vacated the north and upper midwest went?

South.

Including much of the military-industrial complex. A large portion of the petrochemical industry has been here since its beginning.

Yeah - *Puhleeeze*, don't throw us in that briar patch...

36 posted on 08/21/2012 9:05:57 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: wontbackdown

Mine were right there with yours fighting for Texas Independence also!


37 posted on 08/21/2012 9:07:42 AM PDT by Texas56
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To: Olog-hai
How come it is that nobody gives a thought to how this will affect foreign relations . . . ? A divided USA will encourage enemies greatly.

We're already about as divided as a nation can get without updating the maps.

38 posted on 08/21/2012 9:17:57 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: teflon9
A better case could be made for all the predominantly Red states seceding from the predominantly Blue states.

The emergent Red Nation would occupy the majority of the central and southern United States and the Blue Nation would actually be three distinct regions: West Coast, Upper Midwest, and Northeast.

The Red Nation would, through its conservative legal, fiscal, and welfare policies drive liberals along with hordes of like-minded non-productive, social malcontents and misfits across the borders into the Blue Nation. The Blue Nation with its nonjudgemental, openhanded liberality would welcome one and all ultimately leading to a crisis arising from welfare bankruptcy and moral degeneration. Blue Nation would split into three smaller states; Blue West, Blue Central, and Blue East, with each striving to create its own version of liberal Utopia.

In the meantime, Red Nation would militarize and build effective frontier barriers to prevent the remigration of starving, diseased liberals, welfare layabouts, and illegals once Blue State economies collapsed. With its ready embrace of free markets and business friendly economic policies, Red Nation would attract the investment needed to create the new economic infrastructure needed to replace that lost through the partition of the nation.

Etc.

39 posted on 08/21/2012 9:18:40 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined Effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: teflon9

Wonder of he realizes that, since slavery is no longer the emotive issue, a 21st Century secession might result in the Union consisting of just Massachusetts, Connecticut, Manhattan, The District of Columbia, and parts of California. Or that today’s demographics and distribution of wealth and industrial capacity are nearly the reverse of 1861.


40 posted on 08/21/2012 9:23:33 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Olog-hai

“Great notion—to divide and conquer ourselves so that our enemies don’t have to do it for us.”

Yet we see so many of our fellows here leaping at the chance to be divided and conquered.

“At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? — Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! — All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”
—Abraham Lincoln


41 posted on 08/21/2012 9:28:18 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Olog-hai

The left wing freaks already encourage our enemies and it involves the entire country.

Let them do it to their own country if they want and leave the rest of us alone.

The south with the people that actually work will be the power house of the world. Nobody would dare try us.

The north with the deadbeats will be the world’s weakling. Nobody would want to waste their time, there is nothing to gain.


42 posted on 08/21/2012 9:31:13 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: OpusatFR

A peaceful secession would be for the “Southern” States to withhold tax and all other revenues to Fed not to mention oil, gas, food and goods going to the Red States. How long would the Fed Gubmit stand with little coming in a lots going out to the Red States freeloaders?

On the whole, the balance of economic power is much different than in 1860.


43 posted on 08/21/2012 9:34:23 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: teflon9

Since he wants to ‘give’ Texas to the North, he can kiss my grits!


44 posted on 08/21/2012 9:37:21 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: teflon9

Interesting proposition. Let the libtards tax eachother 99%, marry their domestic pets and spread social diseases, while the rest of the God-fearing country could say the pledge, have public prayers, and encourage business and energy development.


45 posted on 08/21/2012 9:39:01 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: Captain Rhino
The core problem of a splitup of the United States would be the drawing of boundaries. California east of the coastal cities is fundamentally a Western state; ditto for Washington and Oregon. Spokane and Bakersfield have far more in common with Salt Lake City or Phoenix than with the coastal cities. Yankee/Latin south Florida would be discontented inside a revived Confederacy. The southern one-third of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois and the Delmarva Peninsula would have little use for a Chicago-New York axis that would dominate the Blue Nation. Yet state lines are the fundamental building block of the United States.

A better solution would be to devolve the country and re-establish the states as sovereign. A return to the Articles of Confederation may be a solution. This is no more out of the ordinary than proposals for splitting the nation into two or more countries, and would be more peaceful.

46 posted on 08/21/2012 9:41:11 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: teflon9; All

Texas to the north? The HE77 you say! (Not you, teflon9. The author of the story) Texas should be the *first* to secede.


47 posted on 08/21/2012 9:42:22 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: KGeorge

Texas undoubtedly will go with the South but a wall could be built around Austin and be treated similar to that of
West Berlin.


48 posted on 08/21/2012 9:46:28 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Charles Martel

Just what our enemies want, too. Why finish the job for them?


49 posted on 08/21/2012 9:48:46 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Hate to burst a damn yankee misconception, but in 1860 ALL economic power resided in the north and still it almost did not beat the South.

Now the economic power no longer is in yankee-land. What would the outcome be now??

As to that ChickenShite coward Sherman, it was damn easy to terrorize old folks, women and children. You certainly will not win any freinds bringing up that turd, pretending he’s some valiant hero (well maybe to the north, which shows greatly its lack of empathy and true intention).


50 posted on 08/21/2012 9:49:40 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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