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Chilling
Vanity | 8/22/12 | gesully

Posted on 08/22/2012 8:16:58 AM PDT by george123

I read on Drudge and other places (certainly not the MSM) that Israel is going to attack Iran before the election. I couldn’t figure out why they would do that until I listened to Mark Taylor sitting in for Dennis Prager yesterday. He says the reason they want to do it is to force Obama to back them which they figure he would do because of the election. If they wait until after the election they are afraid he will not…will probably condemn them. And they can’t take the chance that Obama will lose because their country is at stake.

It goes without saying that, should they do it, the election will be harder for Romney to win as the mantra will go out from the administration and from the media that you don’t change horses in the middle of a global emergency.

Chilling.


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1 posted on 08/22/2012 8:17:03 AM PDT by george123
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To: george123

What do you think Romney discussed when he was in Israel a couple of weeks ago? Who do you think Benjamin wants to be President?


2 posted on 08/22/2012 8:22:32 AM PDT by 103198
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To: george123

Excellent analysis, get ready. This is serious.


3 posted on 08/22/2012 8:23:55 AM PDT by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: george123

I don’t like that answer. I like ...

No, they will not attack at all without using nuclear missiles. A few well place EMP are possible, but those are still nuclear missiles.

Google Sinai peninsula then call up the map. How can Israel attack Iran conventionally and actually accomplish something?

In order to be a successful mission using conventional forces, they will need the support of the U.S to leverage Iraq for their airspace for the mission, and followups.


4 posted on 08/22/2012 8:24:45 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: george123

This analysis sounds correct. It helps to explain why while most Jews living in Israel do not believe that Obama is a reliable ally Peres was slavishly heaping praise on Obama just last month. Peres was essentially forcing Obama’s hand.


5 posted on 08/22/2012 8:27:20 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: george123

“It goes without saying that, should they do it, the election will be harder for Romney to win as the mantra will go out from the administration and from the media that you don’t change horses in the middle of a global emergency.”

That’s what I have been thinking. And I am almost certain the the Israeli leadership must be in talks with Mitt.

Their chances are MUCH better with a Conservative US leadership. And win or lose, a Conservative President will stand by them...politically and militarily.

“O”, if he went along with an Israeli strike AT ALL, would cut them for bait at the first hint of failure.

“O’s” approval would be grudging, partial, conditional and lukewarm at best. The Israelis cannot risk THAT.


6 posted on 08/22/2012 8:28:20 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SMARTY

That’s what I have been thinking. And I am almost certain the the Israeli leadership must be in talks with Mitt.
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Just what I was saying to my parents yesterday.


7 posted on 08/22/2012 8:30:25 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: george123

Another viewpoint ....

“Everyone calm down: Israel is not going to bomb Iran. Well, at least not in 2012.”

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/20/kaboom


8 posted on 08/22/2012 8:31:53 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: All

I don’t buy that the American people will buy the “don’t change horses meme, should this come about. Anybody with ANY political acumen could make the compelling argument that the only reason this happened to begin with was the ineptitude of the current administration. With the evidence out there, it wouldn’t be a hard sell to anyone other than the kool-aid drinkers.


9 posted on 08/22/2012 8:34:21 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: george123

I’d hate to think that either administration would put troops on the ground against Iran. I know, I know, we’ve already been fighting Hamas and Hezbollah, but primarily with our arms and guidance.

We got suckered into Afganistan. We took the bait, and we’re stuck.

Iran is begging us to enter a war of their choosing, on their turf. We’re in no shape to fight another war.

And though I’ll come off sounding like PJB, Israel has been singing this “imminent demise” song for decades. They are an awfully needy ally.


10 posted on 08/22/2012 8:39:35 AM PDT by JaxLaxDad
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To: Usagi_yo
How can Israel attack Iran conventionally and actually accomplish something?

STUXNET. SLCM. 1B1K (One bullet, One Kill.)

11 posted on 08/22/2012 8:40:55 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: george123
Chilling, yes. And extremely believable given this corrupt muslim-coddling fool in the oval office.

Nice foreign policy 'reset' apologizer-in-chief. Every part of the world is worse off than four years ago.

12 posted on 08/22/2012 8:43:17 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: george123

Israel should attack two weeks before the elections are held...will shorten the time B-HO could use the issue to assert the need for reelection, but more than enough time for the POS to demonstrate his ineptitude, lack of preparation, and incompetent “leadership”.


13 posted on 08/22/2012 8:44:42 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: george123

Bibi has got to play this in a way to protect his people from annihilation. Sadly he can’t be worried about what happens to us long term as a result.


14 posted on 08/22/2012 8:46:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JaxLaxDad

exactly, we need to get OUT of Iraq and Afcrapistan NOW!!
we are loosing too many good people over there...


15 posted on 08/22/2012 8:57:33 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: Common Sense 101; george123

It would be mighty interesting if it all hit the fan right during the Democrat Convention.


16 posted on 08/22/2012 9:00:15 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: george123

Here are my working assumptions:

1. Israel will attack Iran at some point, unless the U.S. finds a way, militarily or otherwise, to stop Iran’s nuclear program.

2. Israeli leadership doesn’t trust Obama and wants him out.

3. Israeli leadership, for reason #2, wants Romney to win the election.

4. Attacking before the election is more likely to help Obama than hurt him, because it will give him the opportunity to play Commander in Chief at a time when all of the news outlets will be reporting on nothing else but the attack, the outcome, and Obama’s response to it.

5. Israel knows that whatever Obama says after the attack, he is likely to revert to form after he wins the election.

6. The American public is weary of war and doesn’t want to be dragged into another one.

Given those assumptions, here are some logical conclusions.

Because of assumption #4, Israel won’t attack before the election. They want Romney to win.

Because everyone believes assumption #1, saber-rattling by Israel will be believed by most.

Because of assumption #6, and because saber-rattling before the election can be blamed on Obama’s previous failure to lead thus far, Israeli talk of an attack will hurt Obama’s chances of being re-elected.

Thus, we’re getting the saber-rattling, but the attack will come after the election, if at all. For now, the Israeli leadership will be doing what they can to get Obama defeated by Romney.

Ironically, if Romney wins, we could be looking at a situation quite similar to the Iranian hostage crisis in 1980, with a similar resolution, only this time all Israeli citizens are the hostages. All Romney will have to do is make it clear that the fate of the leaders of Iran will be similar to the fate of Saddam Hussein if they don’t drop their nuclear program immediately.

And I would bet that in closed-door conversations Romney and the Israeli leadership have come to an agreement as to what needs to be done to stop the Iranian nuclear program, though that isn’t a necessary part of the analysis.


17 posted on 08/22/2012 9:08:08 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Usagi_yo

Operation Opera: The Sequel


18 posted on 08/22/2012 9:09:17 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: george123

I say they’re going to do it before the election. They know full well the foreign national is going to tell them to F off if he wins a 2nd term. Remember; This is a guy who bows to evil above all else, whose first day in office the very first thing he tried to do was close down Gitmo. Out of EVERYTHNG else that was his #1 priority the second he stepped into the Oval office. And let’s not forget his almost fanatical attempts along with Eric Holder to try and get Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the biggest mass murderer on US soil in US history, tried as a civilian with full constitutional rights so as to up his chances at freedom. Compare what he has done to the USA and what he has done for these psychopaths in the middle east. Who would you say has fared better under the foreign national? They now have control of Egypt and Libya with Syria on the way. He’s played us like a top. Now imagine him unleashed with a 2nd term. Israel is going to act before it’s checkmate.


19 posted on 08/22/2012 9:14:39 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: SMARTY

Or Netanyahu is trying to help Romney by cintrolling the news cycle. As long as he rattles sabers the MSM cannot exclusively trash Romney. It has to focus on the Middle East and Obama’s lack of support. Netanyahu is forcing Obama to either support Israel which he won’t or to show support for the Muslims. I do not think it is about attacking before the elections and more about controlling the news cycle. As long as this potetntial for attack exists, the Democrat message gets lost in the noise and makes O look inept. Remember Netanyahu and Romney have known each other for 40 years. You don’t think there is some team work here?


20 posted on 08/22/2012 9:15:20 AM PDT by GilGil
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To: JaxLaxDad
We’re in no shape to fight another war.

And there is no way our navy wants anything to do with a war in the Persian Gulf
21 posted on 08/22/2012 9:16:35 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Norseman

If anything they will do it after the election if Obama wins


22 posted on 08/22/2012 9:18:44 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: GilGil

Of course.

And if anything develops in the ME before the election, “O’s” ineptitude and vacillation could diminish the $$$ support of American Jews for the “O” re election prospects.

(Fankly, I never understood American Jews’ support for Liberal ME policies anyway.)


23 posted on 08/22/2012 9:36:19 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: george123

“....the election will be harder for Romney to win as the mantra will go out from the administration and from the media that you don’t change horses in the middle of a global emergency.”

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Even if there would be no war, the administration could still predict one to break out soon and use the same argument.

The question addressed to the American people should be: “In view of Obama’s proven sympathies toward Islam, who would you want to be in charge in the event of a war against the muslims?”


24 posted on 08/22/2012 9:50:23 AM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: uncbob

>>If anything they will do it after the election if Obama wins<<

If Obama wins, I agree. They won’t have any choice but to go it alone, and they will. I was addressing whether or not they’d actually attack before the election, and I doubt that they will. For one thing, if Romney wins, there’s a chance that a forceful change in U.S. policy could get the Iranians to drop their nuclear program.


25 posted on 08/22/2012 10:24:36 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: SMARTY

“O’s” approval would be grudging, partial, conditional and lukewarm at best. The Israelis cannot risk THAT.


Bambam made clear which side he is on between the Arabs and the Jews. He sided with the Muslim Brotherhood who have expressed clearly, they want the Jews out of the Middle East and Israel gone.

Israel miscaculates to think he will support them if they attack before the election. He won’t. He will blame all the ensuing disasters on Israel. He’ll blame the GOP for encouraging BiBi.

Here are some disasters from the attack: Fall out from bombing Iran’s nuke facilities, retaliation from Syria which will probably expose our troops to poisonous gases along with Israel’s civilians and military, retaliation from Egypt’s MB, Russia’s military getting involved. In other words, this attack in Iran is not going to be the only action and reaction. Bam can easily turn the pubic (and the GOP) against Israel with all this and he will. He’ll come in as the guy above it all...

Israel risks the reality and if Bam gets a second term, he would lend US military support to the MB governments in the name of relocating Jews into the boundries Bam set for Israel in his peace agreement. Iran may still have their bomb. Jews will still be hated and threatened on less secure terrority than before.


26 posted on 08/22/2012 10:27:31 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: george123

But it’s OK to change from a horse’s ass in the middle of a global emergency.


27 posted on 08/22/2012 10:32:34 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: MissMagnolia

That article is discredited immediately by the risk to reward ratio. The whole idea is that Iran is close to nukes, and what is the risk if that happens?


28 posted on 08/22/2012 11:22:51 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: SMARTY

Many jews are JINOs ( Jews in name only). They are not practicing and couldn’t care less about Israel which is why they vote the eay they do.


29 posted on 08/22/2012 12:39:43 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: sf4dubya

Doesn’t even come close in comparison. Iran’s nuclear program is now a distributed effort, there is no 1 bomb 1 kill on an above ground target that practically shares a boarder with you.


30 posted on 08/22/2012 10:44:30 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: george123

Right now Iran is a lesser problem for Israel. Al-Qaeda is a number one threat but I think they are clueless on how to handle it and looking for some solid object to hit for political reason.
Israel has changed too much. It was a nation of pioneers driven with a logic of survival. They knew what is Holocaust. They knew a time to be flexible and they were fighting to the end all the other time.
New generation of leaders are a kind of neocons. They were educated at univercities on both American coasts and they are poisoned with that agenda. They are building socialism and effectively cleansing remnants of their predecessors to have more power.


31 posted on 08/30/2012 1:49:12 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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