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Who is responsible for Todd Akin's words on abortion, Todd Akin or the GOPe?
Todd Akin | 8/24/12

Posted on 08/24/2012 5:25:48 PM PDT by DallasBiff

Who is responsible for Todd Akin's words on abortion, Todd Akin or the GOPe?


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Listening to some on FR, Todd Akin is not responsible for his own words, that gave the Missouri senate election to Clair McCaskill.
1 posted on 08/24/2012 5:25:55 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

We really need to stop blaming the GOPe and take them over.


2 posted on 08/24/2012 5:27:25 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
i>We really need to stop blaming the GOPe and take them over

And also not holding up Todd Akin as some sort of saint.

3 posted on 08/24/2012 5:29:53 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff
Who is responsible for Todd Akin's words ...?


4 posted on 08/24/2012 5:31:21 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: DallasBiff
I am in Missouri that ‘swing’ state that the majority of Akin supporters have NO clue what the politics literally are.

Confusion is what has been spewed, I saw an Akin ad yesterday still apologizing and I come on here and find out that Akin was right.

Well, since this is a mission from God, I have NO doubt the Akin supporters will fully fund his campaign.

I expect them to resurrect Akin.... by making his campaign coffers flush with the required cash to ‘win’.

5 posted on 08/24/2012 5:32:39 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Have you donated to the 'resurrection of Akin' yet?)
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To: DallasBiff
It little matters now. Time to let dead dogs lie. He came out 3 hours ago and said he ain't goin'. I take him at his word.

If you know any old line PCA you will understand. But again, Todd Akin is the Republican candidate for Senator from Missouri.

And those of us here in Missouri will vote for him because the alternative is nightmarish. Mother McCaskill will only bring us tax hikes, gun bans, and Kenya-Care. It is who she is...

6 posted on 08/24/2012 5:33:29 PM PDT by donozark (News flash:Todd Akin has NEVER driven and Oldsmobile. Not off a bridge anyway...)
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To: DallasBiff

OK.....you’ve been grinding this ax all day, so it should be good and sharp. Why are you this upset?


7 posted on 08/24/2012 5:33:35 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: AHerald

/img> ... Forgot to close image tag on my post. Hope I don’t blow up the internets.


8 posted on 08/24/2012 5:34:02 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: DallasBiff

Aside from Sarah Palin, Todd Akin in the only Repubican in a generation who has stood up to the GOPe and the Liberal Media.

Todd is a Fighter and will keep fighting for Life in the Senate.


9 posted on 08/24/2012 5:35:03 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: blueunicorn6
OK.....you’ve been grinding this ax all day, so it should be good and sharp. Why are you this upset?

Actually the happy grinding ax is Clair McCaskill, and that is why I am upset.

10 posted on 08/24/2012 5:36:05 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: Uncle Slayton
Aside from Sarah Palin, Todd Akin in the only Repubican in a generation who has stood up to the GOPe and the Liberal Media.

Psst, Sarah Palin is against Clair McCaskill lackey, Todd Akin.

11 posted on 08/24/2012 5:39:06 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: Uncle Slayton

Aside from Sarah Palin, Todd Akin in the only Repubican in a generation who has stood up to the GOPe and the Liberal Media.


Unfortunately, Palin did not stand up to the GOPe for Akin. She was going to help the Third Place in the primary run a Third Party campaign...effectively helping McCaskill to win


12 posted on 08/24/2012 5:41:47 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Attacking "Birthers", Attacking Akin....what Conservatives will GOP Media attack next?)
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To: Just mythoughts

“I come on here and find out that Akin was right.”

Right about what? Certainly not about biology. He may have been speaking from the right place in terms of policy (re: the ‘rape ‘), but he was quite wrong in what he actually said. Wrong, and politically moronic.


13 posted on 08/24/2012 5:44:29 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: DallasBiff
Who is responsible for damage caused by Akin's fiasco? Willard Mitt Romney, the GOP-e, Ann Coulter and the lap dog conservative establishment types.

Had the idiot Romney not attempted to demonize Akin a deal could have been worked out for him to exit the race gracefully and, perhaps, even allow him to go back and run for his old House seat.

If not for all the bullying by Willard and the GOP-e, social conservatives wouldn't be rallying to Akin's defense and feel disenfranchised. The drop of support for Romney is Missouri is very likely the result of a backlash by conservatives against his handling of the Akin situation. You reap what you sow. If the establishment and its supporters are going to behave like classless goons then parts of the base will be alienated and Republican chances at all levels will be diminished.

This precisely the sort ineptitude I would have expected from a liberal like Romney. He'll cause far greater damage to the party and conservative movement if he gets into office, just as he did to GOP in Massachusetts.

Yet, we have willfully blind idiots thinking Romney is going to be the next Ronald Reagan.

14 posted on 08/24/2012 5:45:52 PM PDT by Kazan (Support for Romney is disobedience to God!)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Unfortunately, Palin did not stand up to the GOPe for Akin. She was going to help the Third Place in the primary run a Third Party campaign...effectively helping McCaskill to win

Oh yeah and like Akin proudly stating "legitimate rape" is a winning ticket.

15 posted on 08/24/2012 5:46:15 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff
Who is responsible for twisting his words, ignoring his apology and making a big issue of it?

"There were talking point memos sent from the National Republican Senatorial Committee suggesting language to urge Akin to drop out. Political consultants were ordered to stay away from Akin or lose future business with GOP committees. Operatives were recruited to set up a network of pastors to call Akin to urge him to get out. Money has changed hands to push him off the plank."

Who cares enough about it to change their vote?

“Obama’s Democratic support in the state remains largely unchanged at 96%, and voters not affiliated with either major party still favor Romney by 20 points. But Republican support in Missouri for the party’s likely nominee has fallen from 94% in late July to 85% now,”

I thought the Dems were having trouble energizing their base yet they got no increase of support from them over this. Only the metrosexual GOP-Ers who are afraid to back the pro-life plank are bothered about it at all.

16 posted on 08/24/2012 5:46:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Right about what? Certainly not about biology. He may have been speaking from the right place in terms of policy (re: the ‘rape ‘), but he was quite wrong in what he actually said. Wrong, and politically moronic.

I am sorry that comment did require a 'sarcasm' tag didn't it.

Reminder to the Akin supporters send cash to 'resurrect' the Akin campaign.... you alll have said he can win, now get-r-done!!!

17 posted on 08/24/2012 5:47:31 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Have you donated to the 'resurrection of Akin' yet?)
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To: mnehring
We really need to stop blaming the GOPe and take them over.

How is that going to happen if Romney is elected?! The GOP-e will further its control over the party under Romney's direction.

18 posted on 08/24/2012 5:47:57 PM PDT by Kazan (Support for Romney is disobedience to God!)
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To: DallasBiff

If Akin withdrew tomorrow, how would you see this campaign playing out over the next two and a half months? I’m not trying to be a jackass.....I really am interested in knowing why so many people on FR want this guy to go. I don’t live in his state. I just want to see the strategy for winning this race if Akin withdraws.


19 posted on 08/24/2012 5:48:49 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Uncle Slayton
Todd Akin in the only Repubican in a generation who has stood up to the GOPe and the Liberal Media.

Yet, look at how the GOP-e brainwashed buffoons here are assaulting him.

20 posted on 08/24/2012 5:50:04 PM PDT by Kazan (Support for Romney is disobedience to God!)
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To: Kazan
Who is responsible for damage caused by Akin's fiasco? Willard Mitt Romney, the GOP-e, Ann Coulter and the lap dog conservative establishment types

Yah know, can you Kazan show me the picture where Romney has the gun up to Akin's head when Akin stated "legitimate rape".

You can't, but what the heck, you are in denial, and that's not the river in Egypt.

21 posted on 08/24/2012 5:50:20 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff; All

No matter how much you go Saul Alinsky on Todd Akin...he is staying in

Real Conservatives and the Pro-Life supporters are supporting Akin fully. Not just in Missouri, but around the nation.

Real grass roots conservatives do not get their political beliefs from Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, or even Rush Limbaugh. Real Conservatives were conservative before those people were ever around. They do not need a GOPe media wonk to tell them what, or how, to think

As I have mentioned in other posts, the Pro-Abort Liberal wing of the GOP would have run out the famous conservative who said “trees cause more pollution than factories”.


22 posted on 08/24/2012 5:54:06 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Attacking "Birthers", Attacking Akin....what Conservatives will GOP Media attack next?)
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To: blueunicorn6
I just want to see the strategy for winning this race if Akin withdraws

Akin has already lost,one could have Mickey Mouse win against Clair Mccaskill and her record.

Unfortunately, Akin gave his first impression, and it was not a good one(legitimate rape, etc.).

23 posted on 08/24/2012 5:54:34 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff; donozark

please, listen to this guy?

It little matters now. Time to let dead dogs lie. He came out 3 hours ago and said he ain’t goin’. I take him at his word.
If you know any old line PCA you will understand. But again, Todd Akin is the Republican candidate for Senator from Missouri.

And those of us here in Missouri will vote for him because the alternative is nightmarish. Mother McCaskill will only bring us tax hikes, gun bans, and Kenya-Care. It is who she is... “

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Romney IS our candidate. and SO IS AKIN.
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I have to hold my nose, and vote for (moderate) Romney.
people like you, need to get behind (inarticulate) Akin.

...NEITHER of us are happy.
but it’s time for teamwork.
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Romney WILL win in a landslide.
and Akin is still much better than McCaskill,
and he CAN still win.
(...but not if people like you, continue to help McCaskill,
instead of helping the REPUBLICAN).
“because the alternative is nightmarish. “
(which is the ONLY reason i’m voting for Romney...).
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didn’t Reagan have a great saying about unity?
time we ALL start supporting ALL our candidates.


24 posted on 08/24/2012 5:56:12 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeminoleCounty
No matter how much you go Saul Alinsky on Todd Akin...he is staying in

Sorry but look in the mirror, Todd Akin is Saul Alinsky, since he handed the Missouri seat to Clair McCaskill with his words.

25 posted on 08/24/2012 5:57:39 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: Uncle Slayton

Akin is the only GOP politico who says more than 3 words about abortion. The rest are following Romney the abortionist. Like we are going to get a super majority in the senate to override filibusters by the dems. Go Akin. Semper Fi.


26 posted on 08/24/2012 5:58:18 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: TomasUSMC
Akin is the only GOP politico who says more than 3 words about abortion. The rest are following Romney the abortionist. Like we are going to get a super majority in the senate to override filibusters by the dems. Go Akin. Semper Fi.

Harry Reid thanks you.

27 posted on 08/24/2012 6:00:39 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: Just mythoughts
I am sorry that comment did require a 'sarcasm' tag didn't it.

My mistake - there are just so many people defending Akin's comments around here, it's tough to tell who's kidding.

28 posted on 08/24/2012 6:01:58 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: blueunicorn6

They don’t have any strategy or plan. They are a bunch of irrational idiots.


29 posted on 08/24/2012 6:04:35 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: DallasBiff

Sorry but look in the mirror, Todd Akin is Saul Alinsky, since he handed the Missouri seat to Clair McCaskill with his words.


As my uncle once said regarding your type: “That one thinks with the toilet seat end”.

AYRTS


30 posted on 08/24/2012 6:05:44 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Attacking "Birthers", Attacking Akin....what Conservatives will GOP Media attack next?)
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To: DallasBiff

Democrats circle the wagons Republicans circle the firing squad and wonder why are losing.

Liberal media takes miss statement (he meant to speak of forcible rape rather than consensual statutory rape) and makes it national news. The GOP runs to kill their wounded like a bull rushing a red cape forgetting the sword in the cape. Seen this movie before. Does not end well. Thanks Karl and company.


31 posted on 08/24/2012 6:05:58 PM PDT by AHWilde
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To: chris37
They don’t have any strategy or plan. They are a bunch of irrational idiots.

Welcome to this thread, Mr. Akin

32 posted on 08/24/2012 6:06:47 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: AHWilde
Liberal media takes miss statement (he meant to speak of forcible rape rather than consensual statutory rape) and makes it national news.

Excuse me but Miss Statement objects to her using her name in the same vein as (legitimate rape) Todd Akin.

You guys are a hoot as you stumble trying to defend legitimate rape Todd Akin.

33 posted on 08/24/2012 6:11:57 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

Oh boy, that’s hilarious.

/golfclap

Why don’t you explain to your fellow chickens the exact details of your plan to replace Mr. Akin and whom you will replace him with.

Otherwise, why don’t you STFU already.


34 posted on 08/24/2012 6:13:07 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
Why don’t you explain to your fellow chickens the exact details of your plan to replace Mr. Akin and whom you will replace him with

Sarah Steeleman or John Brunner, they don't have the taint of "legitimate rape", Todd Akin.

35 posted on 08/24/2012 6:20:29 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

I loathe the GOP-E, as they have given me a multitude of well-deserved reasons over the past few years. I’m always champing at the bit to side against the backstabbing bastards, whether it’s to stand with the Tea Party or the social conservatives, either of which constantly seem to be the receiving end of their backhand.

Social conservatism and the pro-life movement need good spokespeople, though. There’s a good and more effective way to sell folks on “life.” I’m reminded of Palin, when she speaks of Trig and talks of God’s gift of love. That’s the way to win people. Not some bizarrely inarticulate old dude bringing up “rape” and female bodies shutting down rape-sperm conception. That has the opposite effect. Creeps people out. Makes them recoil. So even if Akin is unquestionably a solid conservative ally, his communications skills are so deadly ineffective, he helps totally undermine his very cause.

Militarily, he’s like a general who has the right beliefs and right intentions, but his political/strategic flaws lead to certain defeat in battle. He’s already grievously wounded himself on the battlefield, undermined the whole pro-life goal and given a warehouse of ammo to the enemy. I wish he had the smarts to hand the baton over, as opposed to somehow turning into a rightious suicide mission, which is how it is starting to look like to me.


36 posted on 08/24/2012 6:21:52 PM PDT by greene66
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To: DallasBiff

If Akin drops out tomorrow, how do the Republicans win this race? It’s obvious that you’re ticked off and disappointed, but that don’t win this race. Who would you run instead of Akin? Could that person gain enough support in two and a half months to win this race? This looks like another case of panic. “We have to get rid of Akin so the press will quit talking about him!” Really? If he withdraws, the press will never mention him again? Not the press I’ve seen. You really want to get the Democrats?.....smile at them. “I’m so glad you want to talk about killing babies. Do you enjoy seeing babies being cut up?” We conservatives own the high ground on this, and really all, issues. If we panic every time a reporter says “Aha!”, then we will always be on defense. We’re right and they’re wrong. Ask them how many babies they would like to have killed and if they would like to do the killing. Make them panic.


37 posted on 08/24/2012 6:25:36 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Just mythoughts

Confusion it is!...But Sarah already told the GOP-e who should have been the nominee!...Shes way down the road!!!


38 posted on 08/24/2012 6:25:36 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: greene66
Militarily, he’s like a general who has the right beliefs and right intentions, but his political/strategic flaws lead to certain defeat in battle. He’s already grievously wounded himself on the battlefield, undermined the whole pro-life goal and given a warehouse of ammo to the enemy. I wish he had the smarts to hand the baton over, as opposed to somehow turning into a rightious suicide mission, which is how it is starting to look like to me

Thank you for your clarity. I am pro-life, but this fascist attitude by some on FR repels me, especially when they can't admit that Todd Akin put his foot in his mouth and now has handed re-election to Claire McCsakill.

39 posted on 08/24/2012 6:29:09 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

Mhmm, so, get them in the race or STFU already.

Your pissing and moaning about something you or anyone else can’t change AIN’T HELPING A DAMN THING, genius.


40 posted on 08/24/2012 6:31:09 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Biology 101

We should bear in mind that an acute-stress-induced surge of LH is shortly preceded by an elevation of serum progesterone from the adrenal glands. This fact suggests that such an elevation of serum progesterone may advance the secretory transformation of the endometrium resulting in embryo-endometrium asynchrony and consequently reduced chances of implantation and pregnancy if ovulation and fertilization took place.

http://www.rbej.com/content/8/1/53

“The most common causes of failure to ovulate are:
Stress, weight fluctuations, Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (P.C.O.S.). Other causes may include disorders of the pituitary gland, thyroid gland and raised prolactin levels.”

http://cairoivf.com/treatments-ovulation_induction.html

“In conclusion, acute stress on the day of proestrus can affect female reproductive physiology. Moreover, the angiotensinergic system, through AT(1) receptors, participates in the effects of acute stress in the morning of proestrus.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17573075

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Animal breeding also is affected by stress. Zoos, in particular, have difficulty getting some animals to reproduce in captivity, Bentley said.

Based on animal experiments, researchers attribute much of this stress effect on sexual function to an increase in glucocorticoids - stress hormones - produced by the adrenal gland. In the brain, these glucocorticoids suppress the main reproductive hormone, GnRH, which in turn causes a shut-down of the release of the gonadotropins luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone by the pituitary, and then a suppression of testosterone, estradiol and sexual behavior.

In 2000, however, a new reproductive hormone was discovered in birds and dubbed gonadotropin-inhibitory hormone (GnIH) because it had the opposite effect of GnRH - it inhibited release of gonadotropins, thereby suppressing reproduction.

“It’s very adaptive to not be wasting resources on reproduction during times of acute stress, to just shut down reproduction for 24 hours or so until the stress is gone,” said co-author Daniela Kaufer, a UC Berkeley assistant professor of integrative biology who looks at how stress affects molecular processes in the brain. “These functions go back in evolution a long way.”
. . ..

Kirby showed that acutely stressed rats showed increased RFRP levels for several hours, but that levels returned to normal by the next day. Chronically stressed rats, however, were left with longer-term elevations of RFRP levels in the dorsomedial hypothalamus area of the brain, and suppression of activity in the reproductive axis - the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal hormone cascade - that is associated with lowered sexual activity.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/154116.php

41 posted on 08/24/2012 6:31:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Kazan
FYI...You are spot on.

The hyperventilation by the GOPe has caused me to donate $ to a man I was critical of only a few days ago.

42 posted on 08/24/2012 6:35:52 PM PDT by rhinohunter (DraftWalkerNow)
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To: TigersEye

You should not bother these folks with facts. The have already responded to the Pavlovian stimuli provided by the media.


43 posted on 08/24/2012 6:40:01 PM PDT by AHWilde
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To: SeminoleCounty
She was going to help the Third Place in the primary run a Third Party campaign...effectively helping McCaskill to win<<<

Are u nuts???...are u saying independents and conservatives will vote for a wild ass liberal because of the GOP-e pick ??

and AGAIN!..Sarah picked the best candidate for “Saving America!”...it was the GOP-e that missed it!...Sarah saw it coming!

44 posted on 08/24/2012 6:40:26 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: DallasBiff; a fool in paradise
Weekend Headlines Today:

Akin to GOP: "Go Phuket!"

Invasion of Cheapskate Tourists Expected Here


45 posted on 08/24/2012 6:47:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: AHWilde

I guess biology is a little too much for people who don’t know the different definitions of ‘legitimate.’


46 posted on 08/24/2012 6:49:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Kazan

... a deal could have been worked out for him to exit the race gracefully and, perhaps, even allow him to go back and run for his old House seat. <<<

JEEEEEEZ!!!!...u believe in spoils at the public trough????...Whats wrong with going back to a REAL JOB! ....YOUR NOT A CONSERVATIVE!!...THINK ABOUT WHAT U SAID??,,HONEST!


47 posted on 08/24/2012 6:52:20 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: blueunicorn6
You don't have to live in the state!...if it was between McKakle and Steelman....WHO WOULD U VOTE FOR!

Does that make it any simpler for ya???? Sarah already vetted the candidates...who was right...Her of the GOP-e??????

48 posted on 08/24/2012 6:58:55 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Kazan
Todd Akin in the only Republican in a generation who has stood up to the GOPe and the Liberal Media.<<<

and yet the GOP-e backed him!!!..Do you understand that????????

I'm no fan of the GOP-e....but AKIN fired the fatal bullet to his head!!!...I think you're the brainwashed buffoon!...his ignorance cost him a sure win!...He vetted himself!... (Sarah vetted both Steelman and Akin...Who was right??)

49 posted on 08/24/2012 7:17:24 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: M-cubed
Confusion it is!...But Sarah already told the GOP-e who should have been the nominee!...Shes way down the road!!!

Yeah, well here we are and we are stuck with Akin. That is who the majority of Missourians voted to DEFEAT Clarie. And given it was his own tongue that got US here, to this state of confusion, the objective before Akin still remains, defeat Claire.

I have no clue in this 'swing' state as to which direction the majority will follow. So when handed a lemon make some lemonade.

Alllll you Akin supporters put up or shut up, Akin needs money and lots of it, work hard for your candidate.

50 posted on 08/24/2012 7:23:40 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Have you donated to the 'resurrection of Akin' yet?)
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