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Most Neanderthals Were Right-Handed Like Us
Live Science ^ | 8-24-2012 | Megan Gannon

Posted on 08/26/2012 9:13:15 AM PDT by Renfield

Right-handed humans vastly outnumber lefties by a ratio of about nine to one, and the same may have been true for Neanderthals. Researchers say right-hand dominance in the extinct species suggests that, like humans, they also had the capacity for language.

A new analysis of the skeleton of a 20-something Neanderthal man confirms that he was a righty like most of his European caveman cousins whose remains have been studied by scientists (16 of 18 specimens). Dubbed "Regourdou," the skeleton was discovered in 1957 in France, not far from the famous network of caves at Lascaux....

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TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; paleoanthropology
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If Neanderthals were indeed right-handed, that "confirms a modern pattern of left brain dominance, presumably [signalling] linguistic competence," the researchers write in their paper published online Aug. 22 in the journal PLoS ONE. (In humans, the left side of the brain plays a primary role in language.)

"The long-known connection between brain asymmetry, handedness and language in living populations serves as a proxy for estimating brain lateralization in the fossil record and the likelihood of language capacity in fossils," the researchers, led by Virginie Volpato of the Senckenberg Institute in Frankfurt, Germany, write.

1 posted on 08/26/2012 9:13:22 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 08/26/2012 9:13:54 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield
Right-handed humans vastly outnumber lefties by a ratio of about nine to one

But lefties are smarter, funnier, and much better looking.
3 posted on 08/26/2012 9:17:27 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: Renfield

I’m not prejudiced against left-handed people, but I honestly don’t understand why we don’t actively teach kids to write with their right hand. Any time I see someone writing with their left hand it looks so ridiculous.


4 posted on 08/26/2012 9:18:02 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: andyk
don't forget gayer....definitely gayer !

<...waiting for the outrage to build....>

that's a joke !

5 posted on 08/26/2012 9:21:01 AM PDT by Reily
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To: GunRunner
I’m not prejudiced against left-handed people, but I honestly don’t understand why we don’t actively teach kids to write with their right hand. Any time I see someone writing with their left hand it looks so ridiculous

Your sarc is dry and funny....either that, or you went to the Todd Akins school of logic and human reproduction.

6 posted on 08/26/2012 9:22:42 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Renfield

Maybe lefties are preparing for our eventual Arab or Chinese overlords. Writing with your left hand in a Western country makes as much sense as walking backwards, but is a distinct advantage if you’re writing in Arabic or Chinese.


7 posted on 08/26/2012 9:24:45 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: Vaquero

So it’s logical to write with your left hand? Please elaborate.


8 posted on 08/26/2012 9:26:09 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner

Yeah I remember when my first grade teacher turned me into a righty with a ruler across the knuckles. I still throw and shoot left-handed.


9 posted on 08/26/2012 9:26:39 AM PDT by Starstruck (It's all Obama's fault)
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To: Renfield
So this proves what??

Here's how it went: They lined up all 18 corpses and tossed a ball to each.....One swatted it, one ate it, one gave it to his wife, one fed it to his jack ass, one buried it, one traded it for beans, one brought it to school for show and tell, one cooked it with spaghetti, one used it for an earring, one said "wheel", one said "fuutball", one said "head"...one said "Are these guys stupid?" and they all went back to their watering hole.

10 posted on 08/26/2012 9:30:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: andyk

:>)
11 posted on 08/26/2012 9:31:36 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Renfield
Wow, and I bet they had two eyeballs.
12 posted on 08/26/2012 9:33:29 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Renfield
If Neanderthals were indeed right-handed

That's funny; I consider most right-handed people to be Neanderthals. Including people who make remarks about, "why don't we teach (force) all children to write right-handed?"

13 posted on 08/26/2012 9:34:34 AM PDT by Bernard ("He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else' - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: libertarian27

14 posted on 08/26/2012 9:36:54 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Sacajaweau
Here's how it went: They lined up all 18 corpses
old joke...they're dead, jim (& i didn't scroll dn.)...
and yes, I'm a southpaw...(left-hand)
...got a problem w/ that? :-)

15 posted on 08/26/2012 9:44:07 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Starstruck

Nothing wrong with shooting, throwing, batting, or fencing left handed, but writing with your left hand makes absolutely no sense since you can’t see what you’re writing. Just seems like common sense to me.


16 posted on 08/26/2012 9:46:28 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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I am somewhat left handed. I cannot write at all with my left hand, as I do not seem to have fine control for writing or drawing with it. However, I throw left handed as I have good control and power, but I punch right handed as I do not have control or power to punch with my left hand (different muscle groups I guess). As far as all other mundane tasks (such as eating), I use either hand interchangeably.


17 posted on 08/26/2012 9:54:35 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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Oh yeah, I throw left handed, but bat right handed, but golf left handed, and bowl right handed


18 posted on 08/26/2012 9:56:38 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Renfield
I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
19 posted on 08/26/2012 10:16:18 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Renfield

And 46% were Republican, 36% Democratic, and 18% Independent


20 posted on 08/26/2012 10:16:29 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute actual sinner, + trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Reily

Totally gay! LOL!


21 posted on 08/26/2012 10:18:03 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: andyk

0bama and Bubba Klinton are lefties - care to reevaluate?


22 posted on 08/26/2012 10:29:22 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
care to reevaluate?

nah...so were:
Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) 33rd 1-term
Gerald Ford (1913-2006) 38th 1-term
Ronald Reagan (1911-2004) 40th
George H.W. Bush (1924- ) 41st 1-term
Bill Clinton (1946- ) 42nd
Barack Obama (1961- ) 44th 1-term

Left-Handed U.S. Politicos
...
McGeorge Bundy, presidential advisor
Benjamin Franklin, statesman/publisher/scientist

23 posted on 08/26/2012 10:49:35 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Morality aside, one has to admit becoming POTUS is a measure of success on one’s life. But technically, I’m ambidextrous:)


24 posted on 08/26/2012 11:08:24 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: Starstruck

My third grade teacher(Phillipino-Catholic: very superstitious...Phillipinos that is) in Catholic School wouldnt let me write in her class unless it was the right hand. I stopped writing, the report card came, and my mother let her and I presume the Principal have it! Problem solved. I’m the oldest of three brothers. All left handed.


25 posted on 08/26/2012 11:10:00 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: GunRunner; andyk
Any time I see someone writing with their left hand it looks so ridiculous.

The ones you notice are those who had stupid teachers. Others it would take you a while if ever to notice they're left handers. Ok, so when you're writing with your right hand, you have the top of the paper pointed to about 11 o'clock. Lefties need to merely tilt their papers to a 1 o'clock position so as not to do that ridiculous upside down wrist thing.

Ha, we left handers laugh at you right handers when eating but we're more polite and don't bring point it out. Look at a table setting. The fork is on the left and the knife is on the right. You righties have to fumble switching hands when cutting something whereas we lefties just continue to eat without all the fuss. Guess who gets to the seconds first, lol!

And yes, we are better looking, smarter and funnier.

26 posted on 08/26/2012 11:11:34 AM PDT by bgill
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To: GunRunner
So it’s logical to write with your left hand? Please elaborate.

its logical to write with whatever hand you were born to write with.

Forcing a left-handed to be right-handed causes reduced activity in the dominant right hemisphere and increase activity in the non-dominant side. Since creativity and imagination are dominant parts of right brain, they will remain under-developed and the left-side of the brain sees increased activity that deals with reality, facts and logic … characteristics that are opposite of the person’s true potential. The consistent use of non-dominant part of brain affects the personality while growing up and the adaptability can be difficult. Forced right-handers have to work a lot harder to improve handwriting, take more time to adjust in using tools like scissors and knives, are unable to perform better at activities (like sports) than natural right-handers, get tired easily and may even have language difficulties due to possible dominancy conflict between the two halves of the brain.

27 posted on 08/26/2012 11:13:31 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Renfield
Right handed like "us"? Who's us dipshiite? Got a mouse in your pocket? Do a survey of scientists and engineers sometime, and you will find a much higher proportion of lefthanded types than in the general mob. Gee, what might cause that? Maybe their brains work better because they developed naturally, rather than having some mother forcing them to be right handed.

I had a step-monster that did exactly that to one of my step brothers. I still recall her domineering him and forcing him to stop using his left hand naturally as a baby. Poor kid is now a liberal lawyer, go figure.

28 posted on 08/26/2012 11:14:44 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: dsrtsage
Oh yeah, I throw left handed, but bat right handed, but golf left handed, and bowl right handed

Left handed when writing and eating. Right handed when using scissors. Ambidextrious throwing, batting, golfing, etc.

29 posted on 08/26/2012 11:16:59 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

You still can’t see what you’re writing if you tilt it to the 1 o’clock position. I don’t understand why it’s not taught in schools, that you should pick up your writing instrument with you right hand and use it. Just like shaking hands.


30 posted on 08/26/2012 11:42:27 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: Vaquero

Hey, walking backwards might spur the creative juices too, but it’s a disadvantage to walk backwards because you can’t see where you’re going. Just like you can’t see what you’re writing when you write with you left hand unless you’re writing in Arabic or Hebrew.


31 posted on 08/26/2012 11:46:05 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: bgill

I’m Left-handed writing and eating only (can do those right-handed too - to a point)- everything else is Right-handed. I’m Left-eye dominant too which I believe is why I’m lousy at sports :)

One really good thing being a lefty grants....you can use your computer mouse and write at the same time :>)


32 posted on 08/26/2012 11:46:46 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: GunRunner
it is a fact...European languages are written left to right, Asian and Hebrew is written right to left.

right handedness is about 85 to 90% worldwide. do you expect that 85 to 90% of the Asian Hebrew group browbeat their children into writing left handed, so as to make them fit that template and while at it turn them into mentally unhealthy human beings??? .....that was a rhetorical question...I know the answer.

33 posted on 08/26/2012 11:58:18 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: GunRunner

Yes, I can. Not that I need to see what I’m writing any more than I need to carry around a mirror to see that I’m chewing gum, but whatever. Soldiers start marching with their left foot but you don’t see them having to look down at it to make sure it’s doing what they want it to.


34 posted on 08/26/2012 11:59:08 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Renfield
PBS said that Neanderthals could only make a high pitch noise like the howler monkeys. They even mocked up the voice box to show how it worked. These theories are all over the place. What is a guy to believe.
35 posted on 08/26/2012 12:00:02 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: bgill
I guess your left hand must be translucent. Either that or you write with the weird cripple stance that BO uses. He writes like he's severally handicapped.


36 posted on 08/26/2012 12:12:55 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner
I’m not prejudiced against left-handed people, but I honestly don’t understand why we don’t actively teach kids to write with their right hand. Any time I see someone writing with their left hand it looks so ridiculous.

My former wife, a natural southpaw, was "switched over" by her mother at the ripe old age of about four. She never really recovered from it. Her penmanship was entirely legible, but any time a tool or utensil was involved, she turned clumsy.

As long as she was left-eyed to begin with, when she was ready to learn to shoot, I switched hands and taught her how to hold the .22 rim fire rifle left-handed, then how to hold the revolver left-handed. She had a little trouble with the right-handed rifle's operation, but the revolver, a Smith & Wesson K frame .22 long rifle, seemed perfectly sensible to her. She eventually realized I'd "tricked" her; by then, however, she was a fully safe, reasonably accurate shot.

37 posted on 08/26/2012 12:19:48 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: GunRunner

Hussein had many stupid teachers and advisors from childhood on. Besides, I already explained to not do that ridiculous wrist thing all that’s required is to tilt the paper toward 1 o’clock. Hussein isn’t smart enough to turn it so it remains at 11 making him write upside down.

But you’re determined not to believe any of us left handers. Close minded, yes? Again, I hold my wrist as it should be and can clearly see what I’m writing. I’ve had people who have known me for years who will suddenly one day blurt out they didn’t know I was left handed as if that something to be shocked about - but, but you don’t write all funny!!! - uh, no, why should I. You probably know many left handers but they just don’t happen to write upside down for you to notice.


38 posted on 08/26/2012 12:30:33 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

So just to understand correctly here, you’re saying that when you write, the written words show up above your hand as you write them. Correct? I’m trying to visualize how you see the words without your fingers getting in the way.


39 posted on 08/26/2012 1:36:38 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: bgill

So just to understand correctly here, you’re saying that when you write, the written words show up above your hand as you write them. Correct? I’m trying to visualize how you see the words without your fingers getting in the way.


40 posted on 08/26/2012 1:36:58 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: bgill

My left-handed sister had a good teacher (not everyone in our school system did), she uses the technique you describe, and has done so without problems for over fifty years. :’) Older folks and other folks (including a retired teacher who was an older family member) had told my parents to teach her to switch to right-handed, they didn’t fall for it. (’:


41 posted on 08/26/2012 6:48:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
"Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


42 posted on 08/26/2012 6:48:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: andyk
Morality aside, one has to admit becoming POTUS is a measure of success on one’s life.

For centuries we've told our children anyone can grow up to become president.

Obama proved it...

43 posted on 08/26/2012 7:55:29 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1315 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: GunRunner
Any time I see someone writing with their left hand it looks so ridiculous.

It looks so.... gauche.

44 posted on 08/26/2012 7:56:21 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Renfield

Pretty much proves that us lefties are the more evolved humans.

Actually, I think a theory needs to be researched that proves that right-handedism is a genetic holdover from pre homo-sapiens.

What percent of a gov research grant does the researcher get to claim as his pay? I’m wanting to get a new Lamborghini. How much should I say this research is gonna cost?


45 posted on 08/26/2012 8:22:44 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: GunRunner
writing with your left hand makes absolutely no sense since you can’t see what you’re writing.

Why do you need to see what you are writing? Don't you know what you are writing?

I am right handed but I never look to see what I am writing. I know what I am writing. If you are watching your hand and have to read what you are writing to know what you are writing then you were probably not taught properly.

46 posted on 08/26/2012 8:42:05 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: andyk; Vaquero; GunRunner; Renfield; libertarian27; Bernard; Starstruck

I don’t know to whom of you I should respond first, so I will just write my thoughts on t he comments I see on this thread and address to each of you…if the shoe fits, wear it.
First of all, these ‘scientists’ are presumptuous to assume that they can know whether these ‘Neandrathrals’ were either right handed or left handed. But that is to be expected of pseudo scientists.

As a true scientist, I can say unabashedly that only the few, most intelligent of the homo sapiens are left handed. And as libertarian27 posted, ‘everyone is born right handed; only the greatest overcome it…

And again, libertarian27 posted, ‘Only LEFT-HANDED people are in their RIGHT minds’.

I am left handed. I see what I write as I right it, just as a LEFT minded person does when they write with their wrong hand. Teachers who don’t know better are responsible for the kind of LEFT HANDED writing referred to in one of the posts. And I would wager I write more legibly that most of you out there who are so proud of being wrong handed.

When I shoot a pistol, I can handle and shoot it accurately and well with either hand dominant. How many of you wrong handed people out there can say that?

When I play golf, I stand on the right side of the ball.

Teachers who tried to make wrong handers out of left handers were totally incorrect and damaged many of those in doing so.

And there is nothing more ridiculous than a prejudiced wrong hander, such as you who thinks ‘Any time I see someone writing with their left hand it looks so ridiculous.’

A few years ago, the three ‘most intelligent’ men in this country were running for President…and all three were LEFT handed. Now, some of you may not agree regarding their intelligence, but they were all very successful men in other ventures, either in politics or in business or both, and they were all candidates for the highest office in this land…an office to which most of you reading this will never aspire.

The wrong handed people of this world can only tolerate a few highly intelligent members of our species, which is why there are only a few of us who are left handed.


47 posted on 08/26/2012 9:43:46 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GunRunner; SunkenCiv; All

For years lefties were forced or shamed into trying to write with their right hands. I think that educators finally decided there were signs this was unhealthy. I don’t know what the signs were. I am left eyed and somewhat ambidextrous so I wonder if I was pushed to use my right hand. I know that my penmanship is not the greatest.


48 posted on 08/26/2012 10:25:14 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: andyk; SunkenCiv; All

I think the figure is 15% lefties which would be a little less than 1 in 6.


49 posted on 08/26/2012 10:28:00 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
The wrong handed people of this world can only tolerate a few highly intelligent members of our species, which is why there are only a few of us who are left handed.

Right On ~ Right On !!!
LOL

I've read that left-handed stroke victims recover quicker because they use both sides of their brain more so than the right handed population - also use both sides of their body and can compensate for side loss.

I've adapted to a right-handed society, doing many things right-handed - but can also do them left-handed (ie, raking, shoveling snow, construction tasks-hammer, etc.)Most sports I perform right handed, it was the way I was taught...shooting however, later in life, I was shown both ways - I could be a gun slinger :>)

I will propose that right-handed people should practice different tasks using their left hand - get those juices flowing on the right side of their brain.

It's time for them to Evolve ~ :)

50 posted on 08/27/2012 5:40:01 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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