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Me | 8-27-2012 | Melas

Posted on 08/27/2012 4:14:13 PM PDT by Melas

I got the idea from this from a reply, but thought it might make an interesting post on it's own.

Is the Free Republic conception of liberalism accurate? I'd say that my social circle is easily and neatly split down the middle with about half being Democrats, and the other half Republicans. Not to mention that my wife is a lifelong Democrat. I confess, that I don't know anyone personally who claims to actually follow any third party.

One of the things I regularly observe is that conservatives rarely believe what liberals think they believe, and liberals rarely believe what conservatives think they believe. My contention is that the everyman and everywoman is far removed the guys at the top who's views get airtime.

Some observations:

Easily 3/4 of the liberals I know own firearms. Yet the conservatives cling to the belief that all liberals are anti-gun.

The vast majority of conservatives I know personally are against gay marriage, but don't even come close to wanting to re-criminalize homosexuality. Yet, the liberals I know cling to the belief that conservatives desire an American Mutaween peering into every bedroom and hauling folks off to jail.

I've yet to meet a liberal in real life who thinks Obamacare is a good idea.

Honestly, outside of the media and FR, the real differences I see all revolve around money. Liberals are genuinely convinced that Republican policies favor the rich at the expense of the middle class. Conservatives genuinely (and rightly) believe that Democrat policies are all about funding the welfare state at the expense of the middle class. That's the real division I see amongst real people. It really is about the economy, stupid.


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KEYWORDS: liberal
There are other issues as well, but I cherry picked for brevity. Really the whole thing is just my observation that I rarely see the mythical liberal that conservatives talk about, and rarely see the mythical conservative that scares liberals so much.
1 posted on 08/27/2012 4:14:15 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
"Easily 3/4 of the liberals I know own firearms. Yet the conservatives cling to the belief that all liberals are anti-gun."

They ARE anti-gun, because they vote for the likes of Obama who wishes to completely disarm America. Owning a gun and voting for Obama just shows a total disconnect with reality and common sense.

The country continues its descend into hell.

2 posted on 08/27/2012 4:21:55 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Melas

Thanks for posting this. Yes - not all liberals are walking stereotypes. Most of the ones I know are libs because they were raised by libs; they actually haven’t given it much thought.

And those are the ones who can be converted.


3 posted on 08/27/2012 4:23:09 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: Melas

My mother is a liberal.

She is anti-gun, pro abortion, anti church, and thinks that we are mean to gays. To top it off she thinks that Obama is the second coming with Hilary the female version.

She is still trying to figure out how I came out so wrong.


4 posted on 08/27/2012 4:26:05 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Our military does not kill babies, those that commit abortion kill babies.)
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To: Melas
It's not so much that Leftwingtards (liberal is such an old fashioned term for these people) hate guns, they actually believe guns leap off tables and shoot people ~ you know, like they do in New York ~ just the other day the cops were still fumbling at their holsters when they managed to shoot 9 innocent victims!

That's what they believe about guns.

BTW, we have the videos of that event and it shows that the cops pulled out their guns and just sprayed everybody ~ total lack of demonstrable fire control and that usually means MORE TIME ON THE RANGE ~ like 2000 rounds a day for a month time ~ until their wrists turn to powdered limestone or they get control!

5 posted on 08/27/2012 4:33:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
I have a liberal cousin who is the living embodiment of liberal stereotype. I keep hoping one day she'll surprise me with an opinion that is less than evil, but it hasn't happened yet.

Abortion: all good, all the time. Death Penalty: Never! Muslims kidnapping and killing Olympic athletes: well, not everything is black and white. Obamacare: wonderful! Free birth control for everyone!

Luckily she is the only one in the family, but she is quickly grooming the loser niece who has worked exactly 3 months since she graduated from high school 3 years ago. The rest of us tell her to get a job and my cousin pats her head and blames her mother.

6 posted on 08/27/2012 4:33:36 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Melas

Liberals are children in adult bodies. They never really left the Peter Pan worlrd of an emotionally driven belief system. If it doesn,t affect them personally, it never happened. They live in a world hoped for but what it actually is nor will ever be. They will eventually get us all killed or enslaved all the while never fully understanding the deliberate slow progression of tyranny.


7 posted on 08/27/2012 4:40:31 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Melas

Liberals are children in adult bodies. They never really left the Peter Pan worlrd of an emotionally driven belief system. If it doesn,t affect them personally, it never happened. They live in a world hoped for but what it actually is nor will ever be. They will eventually get us all killed or enslaved all the while never fully understanding the deliberate slow progression of tyranny.


8 posted on 08/27/2012 4:40:56 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Melas
Thanks for your post.

Perhaps part of the problem is that most ordinary people who might self-describe as "liberal" and many ordinary people who might self-describe as "conservative" are not totally committed ideologues, but each descriptive term carries its own baggage associated with how each term is perceived.

A former Democrat Congressman (Black) from Alabama, who is now a Republican, will speak tomorrow at the Convention in Tampa. He explained yesterday on "Huckabee" how the difference between Democrats formerly described as "liberals" and the Democrats now known as "progressives" who now control the policies and actions of that Party have caused many like him to leave the Party--because he cannot accept the ideas of today's "progressives."

By the same token, there have been folks who called themselves "conservatives" who have moved so far away from policies which would preserve, or "conserve," the Founding Constitutional ideas of liberty that those who held that originalist view are rejecting what they call "Republicans In Name Only" (RINO's).

At any rate, we're all in it together now!! We will either choose liberty, as did the colonists in 1776, or we will choose submission to enslavement by a government too big to do anything but oppress us.

9 posted on 08/27/2012 4:43:37 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Melas

You live in a conservative state so your experience is skewed. You won’t get that reaction in SF or LA guaranteed


10 posted on 08/27/2012 4:46:59 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: muawiyah

That’s really my point. I don’t know any liberals who believe that. Rather, the overwhelming majority of liberals I know believe that bad guys have guns, so it’s prudent to keep a loaded weapon in the house. Not a one believes that shotgun is going to jump up and kill anyone, but they’re damned sure prepared to fire down the hallway if a window breaks or the front door gets kicked in the middle of the night.


11 posted on 08/27/2012 4:48:09 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

Lefties Feel. That’s it. They are a mugging or having ownership of a business away from being conservative.


12 posted on 08/27/2012 4:49:33 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Celtic Cross

Granted. Most that I know take him at his word when he says that he doesn’t want to grab guns.


13 posted on 08/27/2012 4:49:46 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: I Shall Endure

I can see that. My own parents were Democrats, but born in the early 20’s, I wouldn’t have called them liberals. My father especially, being from the South, could not have reasonably been a Republican. There were still people alive who remembered reconstruction when he was born, and as far as they were concerned, it was a Republican deal.


14 posted on 08/27/2012 4:51:40 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Hammerhead
I completely agree with your post.

Well said.

15 posted on 08/27/2012 4:51:57 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Melas

Liberals - Believe in feeling good and emotions. Usually with other people’s money. They do not care about RESULTS but about intentions.

No amount of logic or proof is good enough to them because they had good intentions.

The road to hell in paved with good intentions.

Conservatives care more about results. So they are cold and heartless and want to starve kids...


16 posted on 08/27/2012 4:52:20 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

I’m still looking for the pro-Obama liberal. I know a bunch who’ll vote for him because they don’t trust Republicans, but from what I can tell, he’s short on true fans.


17 posted on 08/27/2012 4:52:56 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Hammerhead

I don’t know that I can agree with that. My wife is the single most driven, responsible adult I’ve ever known in my entire life. She certainly puts me to shame. Going joke in the family was that’s she’s a type A+ personality,and I’m somewhere closer to the end of the alphabet.


18 posted on 08/27/2012 4:55:02 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: loveliberty2

Post of the day, and spot on. Thank you.


19 posted on 08/27/2012 4:55:57 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
One of the things I regularly observe is that conservatives rarely believe what liberals think they believe, and liberals rarely believe what conservatives think they believe. My contention is that the everyman and everywoman is far removed the guys at the top whose views get airtime.

I don't know about the firearms and Obamacare. It looks like you live in a very conservative part of the country.

But it is true that in debate people jump from what their opponents actually believe to what they assume that they must believe.

Very few people entirely conform to the stereotypes which crop up so often in arguments.

20 posted on 08/27/2012 4:58:32 PM PDT by x
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To: I Shall Endure

precisely. they have not given it much thought. And so, they cut the ends off their ham, because momma and grandmomma did that, and they pull the left lever, because momma voted for carter and LBJ, and gramma was an FDR zombie.

I have found this to be true, also...most libs I meet cannot hold their own in an intellectual discussion about the issues, but dont really know what they are voting for.


21 posted on 08/27/2012 4:59:30 PM PDT by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: 2banana

That’s the only stereotype that I see actually existing in any numbers in everyday liberals. They all believe in the welfare state. I’m constantly hearing about how we need more (taxpayer) money for education, rehabilitation, social programs et al. I can honestly say that I don’t know a single liberal who doesn’t believe that throwing money at a problem isn’t the best solution.


22 posted on 08/27/2012 4:59:47 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: x
I don't know about the firearms and Obamacare. It looks like you live in a very conservative part of the country.

Fair comment. I'm in Dallas. It would probably be very different if I lived in San Francisco.

23 posted on 08/27/2012 5:02:15 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

Oh, you can bet she will be voting for him in November.


24 posted on 08/27/2012 5:05:20 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Our military does not kill babies, those that commit abortion kill babies.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

No doubt. I’ll admit, I can be snarky. I’ve told her on many occasions to vote for him, because it doesn’t matter. He’s not taking Texas, even with her vote.


25 posted on 08/27/2012 5:07:27 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

No doubt. I’ll admit, I can be snarky. I’ve told her on many occasions to vote for him, because it doesn’t matter. He’s not taking Texas, even with her vote.


26 posted on 08/27/2012 5:07:27 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
Easily 3/4 of the liberals I know own firearms. Yet the conservatives cling to the belief that all liberals are anti-gun.

You're missing a big point here. Most liberals are anti-gun for everyone BUT THEMSELVES. It's all about the desire for power over others for them.

27 posted on 08/27/2012 5:07:56 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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You're missing a big point here. Most liberals are anti-gun for everyone BUT THEMSELVES. It's all about the desire for power over others for them.

Nope, not my experience at all. I'm more anti-gun that most of the liberals that I know personally. I don't really like guns. Mine is heavy, the holster makes the small of my back sweat, cafeteria style chairs are uncomfortable because of it, going to the range is a drudgery right up there with brushing my teeth, cleaning it as as tedious as clipping my toenails, etc etc. Come to think of it, I don't like tools in general. Hammers, guns, ladders, etc are all necessary in my life, but all mean work.

28 posted on 08/27/2012 5:14:08 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

IBTZ


29 posted on 08/27/2012 5:17:55 PM PDT by turn_to
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To: turn_to

Put down the crack pipe.


30 posted on 08/27/2012 5:19:45 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

I think being in Texas is causing you to have some skewed data on what the typical liberal is like.


31 posted on 08/27/2012 5:25:26 PM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: Melas

Unfortunately I am on the liberal left coast of CA. Home to the fruits, nuts and flakes. The last time CA went R was for Ronald Reagan.

My only solace is that my hubby,myself, my oldest and his wife, my youngest all vote R, which cancels and then some against my mother, sister and brother. My older brother and his wife are unknowns on who they vote for.


32 posted on 08/27/2012 5:33:43 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Our military does not kill babies, those that commit abortion kill babies.)
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To: Melas

Basic rule of thumb. Conservatives think, Liberals feel. Conservative consider the facts and form an opinion, Liberals form an opinion and then find facts to validate that opinion.


33 posted on 08/27/2012 5:38:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Melas
Nope, not my experience at all. I'm more anti-gun that most of the liberals that I know personally. I don't really like guns. Mine is heavy, the holster makes the small of my back sweat, cafeteria style chairs are uncomfortable because of it, going to the range is a drudgery right up there with brushing my teeth, cleaning it as as tedious as clipping my toenails, etc etc. Come to think of it, I don't like tools in general. Hammers, guns, ladders, etc are all necessary in my life, but all mean work.

You don't own a gun. You just think you can fake it because conservative gun owners are stupid. But what you just described proves you don't own a gun, or at least carry it the way you say or use it the way you say.

I'm sorry, maybe that wasn't clear. So try this: you're a liar.

34 posted on 08/27/2012 5:40:45 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

That was one of my reasons for posting this. I’m curious to know that if the liberals most FReepers meet in every day life are even the least bit as nutty as the one’s we see in the media. Another difference that I see. Of all the liberals I personally know, there isn’t a vegan in the bunch.


35 posted on 08/27/2012 5:41:44 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: MNJohnnie

Can’t agree with you there Johnnie. I know far too many conservatives who form opinions and then rationalize. They’re almost uniformly of the big government, we will make your moral decisions for you stripe. Not making this up, but I know one curmudgeous fellow who honestly believe that we started going down hill when the government stopped censoring books.


36 posted on 08/27/2012 5:44:48 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Talisker

You’re right, I don’t own a gun. Recently acquiring two more after my FIL’s passing, I now own 3.


37 posted on 08/27/2012 5:46:45 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

There is a difference between “conservative” and “reactionary”. Just because someone claims to be “conservative” doesn’t make it so. There is also a serious difference between Libertarian and Liberal. Basically what you are describing are old style Democrats, not liberals. There is a difference.


38 posted on 08/27/2012 5:48:07 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: QualityMan
I have found this to be true, also...most libs I meet cannot hold their own in an intellectual discussion about the issues, but dont really know what they are voting for.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! That mirrors my experience almost 100%. I can't count the times, that an alleged liberal agreed with me almost 100% across the issues, only to declare that he/she was going to vote Democrat.

39 posted on 08/27/2012 5:49:02 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: QualityMan
I have found this to be true, also...most libs I meet cannot hold their own in an intellectual discussion about the issues, but dont really know what they are voting for.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! That mirrors my experience almost 100%. I can't count the times, that an alleged liberal agreed with me almost 100% across the issues, only to declare that he/she was going to vote Democrat.

40 posted on 08/27/2012 5:49:02 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: MNJohnnie

The more replies I’m getting, the more I’m realizing that several posters are correct. I’m talking about Texas Democrats. I can likewise see a New York Democrat saying that he rarely meets Republicans that fit the media stereotype, as Republicans in NY seem to be more liberal than their brethren in the rest of the country.

I think this question has been answered for me.


41 posted on 08/27/2012 5:54:17 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

The liberals in Congress and the Whitehouse aren’t mythical. Those are the ones we should be worried about. The rest is pure nonsense and just another silly diversion.


42 posted on 08/27/2012 6:07:17 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Melas
asily 3/4 of the liberals I know own firearms

According to your bio you live in Texas; the type of liberals you come into contact with may be atypical.

43 posted on 08/27/2012 6:22:30 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: eclecticEel

Yep, I’ve come to the same conclusion.


44 posted on 08/27/2012 6:23:45 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

Um, Texas liberals outside of Austin and Houston would be considered right-wing radicals by California, New York, and other blue state liberals. It is a shame that your wife doesn’t understand that and will vote for obastard. But trust me, outside of Texas and a few other Southern states, liberals are “anti-gun for everyone BUT THEMSELVES.” And for them it really is “all about the desire for power over others.”

If your wife’s side (aka obastard’s side) wins, your wife is in for a very rude and very unpleasant awakening. She really has no idea who and what she is voting for...


45 posted on 08/27/2012 6:47:45 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar
If your wife’s side (aka obastard’s side) wins, your wife is in for a very rude and very unpleasant awakening. She really has no idea who and what she is voting for..

You have no idea. Her field is medicine, and that's the field that's about to get royally screwed unless we turn things around.

46 posted on 08/27/2012 6:53:06 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

nobody said liberals can’t function or are stupid. Its that they are emotionally retarded.


47 posted on 08/28/2012 6:20:21 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Melas

nobody said liberals can’t function or are stupid. Its that they are emotionally retarded.


48 posted on 08/28/2012 6:40:07 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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