Skip to comments.Letter to Commission on Presidential Debates
Posted on 08/31/2012 4:25:24 PM PDT by TexasVoter
Article II Super PAC wishes to extend our sincere thanks to the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) for the proper priority you place on the faithful observation of this national security provision of the Constitution by citing it in the first of your 2012 Nonpartisan Selection Criteria.
It has come to our attention that CPD may not recognize or apply any specific definition for "natural born Citizen" in the process of qualifying candidates' satisfaction of Presidential eligibility. If this is in error, we would appreciate any information on how you qualify Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates' eligibility as natural born Citizens.
In summary, we ask that the CPD clarify its official position on this national security issue and explain how the CPD qualifies Presidential candidates' constitutional eligibility as natural born Citizens of the United States.
We look forward to the opportunity to share your response with our membership and associated organizations
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They say they requires each POTUS and V-POTUS candidate to be Constitutionally eligible as Natural Born Citizen.
Please contact them and ask them to explain their definition of natural bonr citizen and their sources.
CDP's email is: firstname.lastname@example.org
This is important...
But this election both candidtes for POTUS had fathers who were born in another country...
George Romnwy in Mexico...
Barak Obama Sr in Kenya...
It will be interesting to see how this plays out...
I say everyone that touches this is afraid of race riots. They KNOW he is not eligible even IF he was birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House.
If you mean everyone who is AFRAID TO TOUCH IT, then I agree.
I'm concerned about the small number of replies to this post. I hope it does not mean that FR eligibility advocates are ignoring this opportunity.
The CPD is (supposedly) a non-partisan, non-profit organization obligated by its own structure to make an effort to ensure that POTUS and V-POTUS candidates are natural born citizens.
This presents an opportunity for NBC advocates to apply pressure on this purported sentry of stewardship of the public trust in matters of the electorate. The are being placed on notice by voters who are watching THEM and comparing THEM to the standards they established for themselves.
PLEASE support this effort by Article II and send an email to the CPD, asking them to identify how CPD qualifies candidates as natural born citizens and how they arrived at their definition of "Natural Born Citizen."
You might even ask CPD to pose the question to the candidates during the debates:
"Are you a natural born citizen of the United States of America, as required by the Constitution? If so, what are your qualifications?"
Great question but the debate picked CPD moderators are liberal talking heads. It would be a minor miracle to get those clowns to ask the question especially with Obama occupying the oval office.
Are they also the same folks who choose the moderators for these 4 debates (3 Pres 1 VP)?
I’ll send an email. Hopefully we win in November and then people will settle this even though the bum was tossed out.
You're not saying we should not try, right? I can't imagine you taking that kind of position, Red Steel. I've seen too many ideas coming from you which are stronger than that.
NOTE TO ALL ELIGIBILITY ADVOCATES:
We must do more than just shake our fists at the sky.
Posting here, while remaining silent and invisible (i.e., passive) toward forces who are shredding our Constitution, crosses a line from apathy to enabling.
If all you do is whine, you deserve what you get. Trouble is, those to make an effort to oppose this in justice do not deserve it.
I thought it was well determined that since Mitt’s father, George, was born to TWO US citizens while they were in Mexico that George’s birth status fulfilled the requirements for Mitt to be a full natural born citizen.
Doesn’t seem to be a point worth mentioning any more, unless I am missing something here....
It’s not going to “play out” they are just gonna have the debate.
Mitt was born in Michigan, he is a US citizen. As for HUSSEIN, it has yet to be proven he was born in Hawaii.
This really scares the $^!+ out of me. This is a SCOTUS Justice, supposedly our sentinel of conservatism on the bench, and even he has no clue about the proper definition of a basic, national security provision of our Constitution.
If you are waiting for an alarm, this is it folks. All hands on deck! Pick something you can do to bring this issue to resolution AND DO IT!
Thanks for the ping!
Action required, Americans.
FULL STEAM AHEAD!
I figured you come back with this. I didn't even have my first coffee yet and I've got to go now. :-) Yes, of course, keep on trying as this is a process to get them to understand the law. I believe we will prevail in the end.
By your way of thinking, anchor babies being popped out by Mexican citizen parents are still Mexican citizens. Great! That means they aren't eligible to all those US government freebies! Woohoo, you've solved our problems! Oh, uh, hmm, wait it doesn't work like that.
But one father was a U.S. citizen, one was not.
As far as we know, in regard to 0’s bio dad.)
That’s a big difference, and a mighty important one.
Yes, that's what I've been saying for 5 years. The GOP wants to get an ineligible candidate elected. There are forces who want to undermine the US Constitution and the Executive Office. Sad to say, but the GOP is right in there with the RATS on this. They tried with McCain. Last election, the ticket with eligible candidates wasn't Obama/Biden, or McCain/Palin, or even Nader/Gonzalez but the fourth ticket of Barr/Root. Yes, truth be told, Barr should have been sworn in according to the Constitution requirements for POTUS. The GOP was a party to treason. They know it and that's why they are running Romney. As soon as Romney is elected, all questions about them ignoring Obama's eligibility can be swept under the rug and they all get off scot free.
bgill, there’s a difference between anchor babies born to Mexican citizens and babies born outside the U.S. to U.S. citizens, who are, by any definition, U.S. citizens.
You could make the argument that George Romney, born a citizen but on Mexican soil, was not natural-born, but he was by any measure a U.S. citizen living in Mexico. There are those who hold that place of birth is as important as inherited citizenship of the parents in determining “natural-born” status, but not in determining citizenship. George Romney was a U.S. citizen from birth, due to his parents’ citizenship.
However, that argument is simply a full generation removed from Mitt Romney. He was born on U.S. soil to two U.S.citizens.
Totally different case from George Romney and totally different from Obama.
No one is saying Mitt isn't a US citizen, however he is not a natural born citizen which is a requirement of the Constitution.
Talk all you want, but it is very much the same thing.
“But this election both candidtes for POTUS had fathers who were born in another country...”
The difference being that Obama’s father was never a US citizen....
and Mitt’s father was born in Mexico to US citizen parents making him a US citizen, though not meeting the definition of NBC.
It is not neccessary that an NBC’s parents also be NBCs.....only that they be citizens at the time of the birth.Mitt meets the standard because his parents were US citizens.......and therefore a non-issue for Mitt, but still an issue for Obama......
Debate schedule and moderators.
A baby born on U. S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents vs. a man (birthplace unknown) born to a foreign father and an underage U.S. teenager is NOT the same by any rational standard.
bgill, I know from reading your posts on FR over the years that you are capable of thinking this through. Mitt Romney was born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents. Barry Obama was not. Simple difference, and you can see it even if you can’t admit it.
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Did we not read somewhere that the US is one of only A FEW countries IN THE WORLD that confers citizenship upon babies born on this soil if their parents are not citizens??
I couldn’t easily find this page in their website...I had to go back to your hard link from several days ago..
“2012 Candidate Selection Criteria
Commission on Presidential Debates’ Nonpartisan Candidate Selection Criteria For 2012 General Election Debate Participation
The mission of the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates (the “CPD”) is to ensure, for the benefit of the American electorate, that general election debates are held every four years between the leading candidates for the offices of President and Vice President of the United States. The CPD sponsored a series of such debates in each of the past six general elections, and has begun the planning, preparation, and organization of a series of nonpartisan debates among leading candidates for the Presidency and Vice Presidency in the 2012 general election. As in prior years, the CPD’s voter educational activities will be conducted in accordance with all applicable legal requirements, including regulations of the Federal Election Commission that require that debate sponsors extend invitations to debate based on the application of “pre-established, objective” criteria.
The goal of the CPD’s debates is to afford the members of the public an opportunity to sharpen their views, in a focused debate format, of those candidates from among whom the next President and Vice President will be selected. In each of the last six elections, there were scores of declared candidates for the Presidency, excluding those seeking the nomination of one of the major parties. During the course of the campaign, the candidates are afforded many opportunities in a great variety of forums to advance their candidacies. In order most fully and fairly to achieve the educational purposes of its debates, the CPD has developed nonpartisan, objective criteria upon which it will base its decisions regarding selection of the candidates to participate in its 2012 debates. The purpose of the criteria is to identify those candidates who have achieved a level of electoral support such that they realistically are considered to be among the principal rivals for the Presidency.
In connection with the 2012 general election, the CPD will apply three criteria to each declared candidate to determine whether that candidate qualifies for inclusion in one or more of the CPD’s debates. The criteria are (1) constitutional eligibility, (2) ballot access, and (3) electoral support. All three criteria shall be satisfied before a candidate will be invited to debate.
B. 2012 NONPARTISAN SELECTION CRITERIA
The CPD’s nonpartisan criteria for selecting candidates to participate in the 2012 general election presidential debates are:
1. EVIDENCE OF CONSTITUTIONAL ELIGIBILITY
The CPD’s first criterion requires satisfaction of the eligibility requirements of Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. The requirements are satisfied if the candidate:
a. is at least 35 years of age;
b. is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States and a resident of the United States for fourteen years; and
c. is otherwise eligible under the Constitution.
I’m going to need more than just your word that George was a US citizen. Born on Mexican soil, questions of his citizenship back when he ran for POTUS before he dropped out and no waving of naturalization papers.
Here is their mission statement, which, it seems to me, obligates them to demonstrate some semblance of integrity in explaining to voters how they determine whether or not a candidate is a Natural Born Citizen:
The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) was established in 1987 to ensure that debates, as a permanent part of every general election, provide the best possible information to viewers and listeners. Its primary purpose is to sponsor and produce debates for the United States presidential and vice presidential candidates and to undertake research and educational activities relating to the debates. The organization, which is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, 501(c)(3) corporation, sponsored all the presidential debates in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2008.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To meet its ongoing goal of educating voters, the CPD is engaged in various activities beyond producing and sponsoring the presidential debates. Its staff prepares educational materials and conducts research to improve the quality of debates. Further, the CPD provides technical assistance to emerging democracies and others interested in establishing debate traditions in their countries. In recent years, the staff worked with groups from Bosnia, Burundi, Colombia, Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana, Haiti, Jamaica, Lebanon, Niger, Nigeria, Peru, Romania, Trinidad and Tobago, Uganda, and the Ukraine, among others. Finally, the CPD coordinates post-debate symposia and research after many of its presidential forums (1996 Post-Debate Symposium, 1992 Post-Debate Research, 1988 Post-Debate Symposium).
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However, Romney’s father became a US citizen prior to Mitt’s birth. Mitt was of course born on American soil.
Obama’s father never became a US citizen. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. And there still is no confirmation that Obama was born on American soil.
However, Romneys father became a US citizen prior to Mitts birth
yeah thats what Ive heard...
Im sure theres a paper trail..
you know...some records somewhere...
You are confusing the issue. Mitt’s father WAS a US citizen, and Mitt himself WAS born in the USA with BOTH parents being US citizens at the time of his birth.
I read both your Freepmails to me (and others) and you were not clear why/what you were expecting. My post on this thread was clear about my assertions concerning the NBC issue. So far, the courts and the so-called “committee” could care less...but good luck!
I maintain a FReeper ping list based on posts from folks who seem strongly supportive of Constitutional eligibility. My goal is to raise awareness about the issue and publicize opportunities to help advance that cause.
Most recently, I asked the list to send a message to the Commission on Presidential Debates. The CPD claims to require that all candidates must be a Natural Born Citizen, tho’ there is evidence to suggest that they have no working definition for NBC. The objective is to put the organization and its members on notice that voters are not going to let this issue slide as they did in 2008.
I apologize if my messaging was intrusive or annoying. Please let me know if you do not want to get such pings from me.
No matter what the rumors are about any candidate, ALL Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates - Obama and Biden, Romney and Ryan (and, yes) Johnson and Goode - should be subjected to the same vetting on all points of Constitutional eligibility for the office of POTUS.
Just as we all must show ID (or submit to a thumbprint!) to cash a check, it is only proper practice to require EVERY contender to the highest office in the land to demonstrate BEFORE THE ELECTION that they are eligible for the office they seek.
Taxpayers fund elections. Our incumbent elected officials SHOULD be accountable to ensure that we are not tricked into voting for any ineligible candidate(s).
No problem FRiend; leave me on your list now that I’m aware of it! I also have an unfavorable opinion of Rubio for #1 or #2 for the same reason, although I would be extremely delighted if he became dingy harry’s replacement, permanently!!
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