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Al Gore calls for an end to the Electoral College (just go away Al)
The Hill ^ | 8/31/2012 | Mario Trujillo

Posted on 08/31/2012 7:56:54 PM PDT by Kolath

Former vice president Al Gore is calling for an end to the Electoral College — the system that cost him the presidency in 2000.

Gore said that many voters who live outside the dozen or so battleground states are cheated by the system that allocates delegates from the state level on a winner-take-all basis. He called for presidential elections to be determined by the popular vote.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2000; ec; gore; soreloserman; vote
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1 posted on 08/31/2012 7:57:05 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: Kolath

...and he’s way smarter than our founders! :/


2 posted on 08/31/2012 8:00:17 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Kolath

re: “Former vice president Al Gore is calling for an end to the Electoral College”

Here’s an idea - How about calling for an end to Algore?


3 posted on 08/31/2012 8:00:56 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Kolath

Every election this same thing comes up. The Electoral College still works, why get rid of it?


4 posted on 08/31/2012 8:01:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: Kolath

Even Tipper stopped listening to him.


5 posted on 08/31/2012 8:03:38 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Kolath

He’s just mad because he wanted to try out for their football team.


6 posted on 08/31/2012 8:07:35 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kolath
I think this calls for blowing the dust off an oldie but goodie....


7 posted on 08/31/2012 8:08:13 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Kolath

Imagine Florida 2000 recounts and challenges in every state. At a minimum the Electoral College helps focus the fraud so hopefully it can be detected and fought. Blue states NY and CA would have amazingly high turnouts, totally wiping out any value to small states.


8 posted on 08/31/2012 8:10:37 PM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: Kolath

And I’m sure the electoral college would just love to call for an end to Al Gore.


9 posted on 08/31/2012 8:11:47 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Kolath

I-Gore..One of the true sociopaths in politics today. Has absolutely no concept of emotion so he awkwardly acts it out and always fails.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 8:12:41 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Kolath

LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOSER!


11 posted on 08/31/2012 8:13:54 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: bigbob
I am standing...
saluting...

...with great FREEPER remembrances of the day!

12 posted on 08/31/2012 8:14:29 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: blueunicorn6

I hear the Electorial College has a good defensive line this year


13 posted on 08/31/2012 8:16:42 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Seems they did just that in 2000 (with a little help from SCOTUS)


14 posted on 08/31/2012 8:17:56 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Kolath
If I outlive algore I'll make it a point to visit his gravesite once.When I arrive my bladder will be full.When I leave a minute later it will be empty.
15 posted on 08/31/2012 8:20:51 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
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To: Kolath
Gore said that many voters who live outside the dozen or so battleground states are cheated by the system that allocates delegates from the state level on a winner-take-all basis.

Unless I'm confused, any state can opt to allocate delegates proportionally or in any other way it sees fit. The Constitution does not require winner-take-all.

Of course, any state that does so immediately becomes a great deal less important in the presidential election. Which is why they don't.

That said, it should be pointed out that the Electoral College functioned as intended only in the first two elections. Ever since its functionality, to the extent it has any, bears absolutely no resemblance to that intended by the Founders.

16 posted on 08/31/2012 8:22:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Kolath

Hillary Clinton said the same thing.


17 posted on 08/31/2012 8:29:44 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: Kolath
He called for presidential elections to be determined by the popular vote.

That one sentence alone should dissuade anyone from calling America a democracy.

If America were a democracy instead of a Constitutional Republic then it would already be that way.

18 posted on 08/31/2012 8:29:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kolath

FU ManBearPig, you’re yesterday’s news.


19 posted on 08/31/2012 8:30:55 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Kolath

You lost, Al! Ha! Ha!


20 posted on 08/31/2012 8:41:51 PM PDT by Route395
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To: Kolath

Al Gore is probably sorry he took the initiative of creating the electoral college.


21 posted on 08/31/2012 8:42:06 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Kolath

Who’s Al Gore?


22 posted on 08/31/2012 8:42:20 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Kolath

ManBearPig is down! Call the Waambulance!


23 posted on 08/31/2012 8:45:40 PM PDT by rotstan
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To: Kolath

In related news, Al Gore reportedly called for changing the rules of baseball so that the team with the most hits wins the game (because choosing the winner based on which team scores the most runs is ‘undemocratic’).


24 posted on 08/31/2012 8:46:02 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Kolath

Hey Al - you and the horse you rode in on.


25 posted on 08/31/2012 8:51:57 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kolath

Gore is such a tool!! Any time my liberal friends complain over the 2000 election I simply present them with a fact smackdown. Gore lost 5 states that Clinton easily won twice. Arkansas (Slick’s home state), West Virginia (”Sheets” Byrd’s home state), Tennessee (his own home state), Missouri (where Democrat Mel Carnahan was elected posthumously to the Senate that year), and finally New Hampshire. Had Gore won just one of these aforementioned states he would have been the 43rd president. Florida would not even have mattered. The electoral college works just fine and gives a voice to lesser populated states. Otherwise, with only having to win a popularity vote the candidates could focus all their energy on the most populated cities and not be concerned with “flyover land.”


26 posted on 08/31/2012 8:52:29 PM PDT by bigdaddygop_nc
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To: Kolath
why... so NYC, Boston, LA, San FAG, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Baltimore and Atlanta can elect all the presidents from now on???
27 posted on 08/31/2012 8:58:11 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: philman_36
>> If America were a democracy instead of a Constitutional Republic then it would already be that way. <<

That's like saying "If England were a monarchy, then the Queen could decree any law she wanted for the country". Having a monarchy doesn't mean the monarch has absolute power to do whatever they want, and having a democracy doesn't mean the voters have absolute power to pass anything they want. In most cases, they decide things indirectly and delegate power to others. The electoral college is a perfect example of that.

28 posted on 08/31/2012 9:00:43 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Kolath

Was the electoral college the third or fourth college that algore flunked out of?


29 posted on 08/31/2012 9:04:24 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Kolath

12 years later and this loser is still sore? LOL. This reminds me of an old bud of mine that 15 yrs later, he’s still sore his ex-GF from high school is married and has kids.


30 posted on 08/31/2012 9:06:34 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Sherman Logan
That said, it should be pointed out that the Electoral College functioned as intended only in the first two elections. Ever since its functionality, to the extent it has any, bears absolutely no resemblance to that intended by the Founders.

Total nonsense....do you want the throngs of idiots in New York and California to solely elect our leaders???? The electoral college gives proportional representation to all!

31 posted on 08/31/2012 9:11:34 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: max americana

This is part of their plan. They know that the are losing the election. They have been pressuring the polling companies to give them the results that they want and to over sample Democrats. When Gallop indicated that Mitt Romney was was ahead in the electoral votes, last week, the Obama justice dept started proceedings to sue Gallop. They are whining and lying about Republican voter intimidation. They have the courts under their control, including the Supreme Court, the majority of which does not believe in God give rights.

The plan seems to be that they will lose the election and sue to over turn it, claiming that Obama would have won the popular vote if the Republicans had let every vote count.

Roberts will throw the election to Obama.


32 posted on 08/31/2012 9:11:44 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Kolath
the system that cost him the presidency in 2000.

Prima facie evidence the Electoral College should be retained. This issue is easy to demagogue but voters in low-population states had better beware! Eliminating the College would give all electoral power to high-population states and big union-run cities.

33 posted on 08/31/2012 9:30:32 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: GrouchoTex

They also have a damn good QB and a Safety that Mel Kieper Jr thinks will be drafted in the 1st round.


34 posted on 08/31/2012 9:39:08 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: doc1019

The electoral college prevents corruption from crossing state boundaries. No amount of cheating in Chicago can cross the state boundary to affect the electoral votes in Indiana.

That is why the Democrats have to do away with it. They would rather than have to cheat in several states, and have their weaker organizations stopped and exposed, they would prefer that their stronger organizations in states that they have already corrupted can dominate. Even if their opponents win, it would only be by matching corruption, and good government would be doomed.


35 posted on 08/31/2012 10:14:08 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
The electoral college prevents corruption from crossing state boundaries.

Fifty, count 'em, 50 sets of watertight doors.

36 posted on 08/31/2012 10:15:32 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Kolath

I’m good with one delegate per county. Let’s pass that constitutional amendment right now.


37 posted on 08/31/2012 10:27:28 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Kolath

There’s nothing to stop states from allocating their delegates proportionately. I’d suggest California, New York and Illinois give it a try. ;-)


38 posted on 08/31/2012 10:51:10 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Sherman Logan

The electoral college makes it more difficult for a numerous interest group whose beliefs are alien to our ideals to overwhelm the system with a lock-step vote. I think that this probably was the intent of the founders.

One gross example: Obama’s Justice Dept disallowing polling places to check voter I.D.’s with the obvious intention of having his constituents and illegal aliens vote multiple times.


39 posted on 08/31/2012 11:01:33 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: BillyBoy
"If England were a monarchy, then the Queen could decree any law she wanted for the country".
But England isn't a total monarchy any more, is it?
Hasn't it been a Parliamentary Monarchy for quite some time, like from around 1066 or so?
Or would you say it became a Constitutional Monarchy in 1215 with the signing of the Magna Carta?
40 posted on 09/01/2012 12:20:54 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kolath

Al here is a hint why it is there.

It is in the Constitution. Kind of a neat document, sorry you have not read it.

Your welcome “Buff”


41 posted on 09/01/2012 3:51:02 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: terycarl

My claim might be partial nonsense, but it is certainly not total nonsense.

The EC was intended to be an assembly of eminent men, selected by each State, rather than by the people of the State. These men would in a very real sense decide on who the candidates were and then elect the President and Vice-President. Technically that is what it still is, as the electors are not legally bound to vote for the candidate to which they are pledged. There is not a trace in the Constitution of the notion of national presidential elections, or even that the people as a whole would know who the candidates were prior to the meeting of the EC.

Since the notion of political parties is absent from the Constitition, and in such absense there is no particular reason to expect the EC to consistently achieve a majority for one man, there are scholars who claim the actual original intent was for the EC to nominate three candidates, with the election among them normally defaulting to the House.

Since 1796 the EC has not in a genuine sense elected anybody. It has in practice, with exception of one or two states, become a way of divvying up the popular vote by State and giving all the State’s votes to a single candidate.

You can argue about whether this is a good or bad thing. But you cannot logically argue it is what the Founders intended.

In the original Constitution only the House of Representative was elected by popular vote, which is why it was called that. All other elections were indirect.


42 posted on 09/01/2012 4:15:29 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Kolath

I can think of two republicans off the top of my head who are calling for the same thing.


43 posted on 09/01/2012 4:16:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: philman_36

England was in practice never an absolute monarchy. Power was originally split between king and nobility in practice. In theory the King was close to absolute, but he couldn’t push too far without causing a revolt, so he had 2nd Amendment type limitation on his power.

As King John found out. Magna Carta started a 400 year struggle between absolutism and constitutionalism. For much of this period the King’s effective power increased, reaching a high point probably under the Tudors, with Henry VIII very nearly absolute.

England did not in theory become a true constitutional monarch till 1688, when the monarch’s power was strictly limited by the Glorious Revolution.


44 posted on 09/01/2012 4:23:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Kolath

What ever will get in thier way they want it removed. Will the democratic convention require all attendies to show a photo ID? Like the racist ID’s you need to vote?


45 posted on 09/01/2012 4:49:55 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Kolath
Gore said that many voters who live outside the dozen or so battleground states are cheated by the system that allocates delegates from the state level on a winner-take-all basis. He called for presidential elections to be determined by the popular vote.

There's a lot to be said in favor of making it necessary for a president to have to get wide support across the country, rather than focusing on a few urban areas.

46 posted on 09/01/2012 5:17:32 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("They say I don't pray for my enemies. I do.. I pray they go to Hell!" ---Marshall Law)
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To: Sherman Logan

So was I wrong in anything I said?


47 posted on 09/01/2012 8:24:30 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Not disagreeing with you, just expanding on it a bit.

The English Civil War was the major clash between absolute and constitutional monarchy. It could easily have gone the other way and the last non-absolutist monarchy in Europe have gone down.

We look back on this war and see the Parliamentary forces as the wave of the future. But that wasn’t the way it was seen at the time. The conventional wisdom was that absolutism was modern and progressive, and representation and limited governments were holdovers from the medieval past.


48 posted on 09/01/2012 8:40:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Not disagreeing with you, just expanding on it a bit.

For my benefit or for the benefit of someone else?

49 posted on 09/01/2012 9:21:33 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

General interest. Not trying to say you don’t know what you are talking about. No offense intended.


50 posted on 09/01/2012 9:57:30 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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