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Polling Question: How Can Obama Be Ahead in States Where Dem. Senate Candidates Behind?
Self | September 2, 2012 | PJ-Comix

Posted on 09/02/2012 6:48:04 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

Okay, I have a question: How can Obama be ahead in states where the Democrat Senate candidates are behind. I'll give you an example: Connecticut. In that state, the Republican Senate, Linda McMahon, leads her Democrat opponent by 3 points according to the polls yet the polls also show CT as solid for Obama. How can that be? How does Obama run AHEAD of the Democrat Senate candidate?

I see similar situations in other states, such as Wisconsin, where Obama is supposed to be ahead yet the Democrat Senate candidates are behind.


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Looking for explanations of this phenomenon. A rip in the electoral/polling continuum?
1 posted on 09/02/2012 6:48:06 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

Lies?


2 posted on 09/02/2012 6:49:17 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: PJ-Comix

Bradley effect.


3 posted on 09/02/2012 6:50:56 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: dalebert

Wishful thinking?


4 posted on 09/02/2012 6:52:05 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: PJ-Comix
Easily explained PJ: the liberals don't want to be seen as racists and must support the half-black Kenyan.

The Kenyan must go.

5 posted on 09/02/2012 6:52:32 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: PJ-Comix

Many conservatives find lying to pollsters a satisfying hobby. And besides, if you object to the Bamster, you’re a raaaacist.


6 posted on 09/02/2012 6:52:52 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Mrs.Z

Britain has a Tory Effect which could apply here.


7 posted on 09/02/2012 6:52:55 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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Just wait till ole Barry wakes up Nov. 8th to a landslide defeat, finding out all those Democrats saying yes to the pollsters to avoid the appearance of being racist actually say no in the voting booth to avoid the appearance of being stupid.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 6:53:47 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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I don’t have a good reason for this.

I’ll give you another example. In my state, Missouri, all 3 Republican candidates for Senator were outpolling McCaskill by 5+ points (before Akin shot himself in the face). But Romney/Obama is a dead heat. Obama won’t be within 5 points of Romney in Missouri on election night.

Do the pollsters wait until the election to do more accurate polls to save their reputations?

From the tone and tenor of the campaigns, I would wager the internals are far different than the public pablum we are being fed.


9 posted on 09/02/2012 6:55:31 AM PDT by the808bass
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oversampling.....


10 posted on 09/02/2012 6:56:00 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: txrefugee

MA is another such state. Scott Brown comfortably ahead of Fauxahontas yet rated as solidly for Obama.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 6:57:01 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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Because people still like the Obama “brand” (see the great Daniel Greenfield article posted earlier). Their local Dem Senate candidate? No so much.

iow people support Obama because he’s Obama. They’re taking out their political and economic anger on the downticket candidates.


12 posted on 09/02/2012 6:58:36 AM PDT by tanknetter
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Do the pollsters wait until the election to do more accurate polls to save their reputations?

Yup! They can lie like hell now because their results can't be verified but by the final weekend before the election they have to reveal the "horrible" truth or end up with their reputations ruined.

13 posted on 09/02/2012 6:59:10 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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In heavily Rat infested areas, people are afraid to say they are voting against Obama. They don’t know if the caller is a real pollster or an Obama thug.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 7:01:17 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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polling companies are paid to do polls, how interesting would R n R ahead of BO and Buttboy by 12 for the next three months. People love a horse race.

Pollsters are not stupid.

15 posted on 09/02/2012 7:05:49 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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Can we safely assume this is a rhetorical question posed to make a point?


16 posted on 09/02/2012 7:07:10 AM PDT by possum john
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I also believe that pollsters attempt to keep it a "horse race" as long as possible. That's why they are currently oversampling Democrats for the most part. As we get closer to the election, the sampling will more closely reflect the expected turnout, as in the pollster world, the only polls people remember are the last ones, so they want to be able to say that they were right so that people will hire them for the next election cycle.

It's the same dynamic that has the network carrying the Super Bowl praying for a close game. They don't want a 38-3 score at halftime as they will lose millions of viewers for the second half and they will have to rebate advertisers a lot of money.

17 posted on 09/02/2012 7:11:48 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: PJ-Comix

Pollsters are remembered for how accurate they are the day before the election.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 7:13:16 AM PDT by Leo58 (Those who cheer you today will curse you tomorrow, the only thing that endures is character.)
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“In heavily Rat infested areas, people are afraid to say they are voting against Obama. They don’t know if the caller is a real pollster or an Obama thug.”

I agree. How would one respond to a poll concerning Chavez in Venezuela?


19 posted on 09/02/2012 7:26:40 AM PDT by calico_thompson
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To: PJ-Comix

While I wish “spin” polls were really the case, I remember hearing the same kind of comments in 2008 about how the polls were being skewed toward the dems and how the polls would shift to a McCain lead in the day or two before the election.

As I recall, they showed about 51-48 Obama at that point - within a percentage point or so of the final tally.

I’m not buying that theory this time around. Fool me once and all that.


20 posted on 09/02/2012 7:34:36 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Behind enemy lines in the city where it's illegal to buy a Big Gulp)
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