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VANITY: Calling all investors - Where to invest from now until the election?

Posted on 09/04/2012 9:06:56 AM PDT by AdamBomb

Okay, with the presidential race virtually tied and the contrasts between the two being so significant, what is the best investing strategy between now and the election?

1) All Cash 2) Bonds but no stocks 3) Stocks and Bonds 4) ?????

Obviously, if Romney looks like he is gonna win, then I'd go long on stocks and the market. If zero wins, I don't know what to do.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: investing; money; vanity

1 posted on 09/04/2012 9:07:01 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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2 posted on 09/04/2012 9:12:22 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AdamBomb

Good question, but also, what to do next year. A lot has been posted about economy tanking next year.


3 posted on 09/04/2012 9:12:59 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: AdamBomb

Good question, but also, what to do next year. A lot has been posted about economy tanking next year.


4 posted on 09/04/2012 9:13:11 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: AdamBomb

4)..Precious Metals..gold and silver......that is what I am invested in....


5 posted on 09/04/2012 9:17:15 AM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: AdamBomb

If ZERO wins it won’t make any difference where you put your money since soon it will be taken from you or the dollar will soon completely fail and it will be worthless anyway.


6 posted on 09/04/2012 9:18:25 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: AdamBomb

Get your money out of the country, before your country gets your money out of you.

I’ve decided there is just one course for the future. Moving money from here overseas. I suggest holding money in multiple currencies, held at the world’s strongest banks, physical gold (some here, some there) and investing from offshore.

Once capital controls are instituted, it will be too late. After that, the dollar will be likely be devalued and your savings will as well.

Word.


7 posted on 09/04/2012 9:21:19 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: AdamBomb

I have a bridge for sale :)


8 posted on 09/04/2012 9:21:33 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: AdamBomb
I vote for high quality short-term bonds.

IMHO, short-term government bonds are overbought, so I'd go with a short-term bond fund that holds only bonds issued by very reputable companies.

Of course, if Romney wins and stocks take off in response, my suggestion will look pretty foolish.

9 posted on 09/04/2012 9:21:40 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Sequoyah101
"If ZERO wins it won’t make any difference where you put your money since soon it will be taken from you or the dollar will soon completely fail and it will be worthless anyway."

I agree...kind of hard to hide and preserve wealth if nimrod gets back in there.
10 posted on 09/04/2012 9:21:50 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Leaning Right

what about rock solid intermediate bond funds like PONDX or PTTDX? Both Pimco?

Thoughts?


11 posted on 09/04/2012 9:23:02 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: AdamBomb

inventions....best investmets available....contract investors


12 posted on 09/04/2012 9:25:20 AM PDT by advertising guy (" that lie has it's own sleep number " David Feherty PGA Championship 2012)
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To: AdamBomb

If you don’t want to make a decision ‘til the election, just wait-it-out. Invest over a longer-term than two months, though ... short-term investment is more volatile than long-term.

SnakeDoc


13 posted on 09/04/2012 9:30:13 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: AdamBomb
what about rock solid intermediate bond funds

They'd be excellent options if the Fed does not raise interest rates for a few years.

But if inflation heats up, and the Fed raises interest rates in response, your share price loss will wipe out any interest rate advantage.

Just in case you didn't know, as interest rates rise, bond prices fall. Long term bonds get hit the most; some can lose 25% or more of their share price in one year. Intermediates get hit less, and short-term least of all. In fact, you can actually make money with short-term bonds in a rising interest rate environment if the rises are gentle enough.

Having said all that, I've been too conservative with bonds in the last five years. I'm afraid of inflation (and of Obama), so I've stuck with short-term bonds. In hindsight, that was wrong. Interest rates have dropped, not risen.

14 posted on 09/04/2012 9:36:05 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: AdamBomb

Rock solid cash cow companies that pay dividends. SDRL is one.


15 posted on 09/04/2012 9:36:09 AM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: oh8eleven
That's where my portfolio currently sits.

But a more practical place to put dollars would be at Ammunitiontogo.com.

16 posted on 09/04/2012 9:38:26 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: AdamBomb

Canned food (with can openers) and shotguns (with shells).


17 posted on 09/04/2012 9:39:55 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: pingman

Weyerheauser


18 posted on 09/04/2012 9:40:22 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: pingman; AdamBomb
Rock solid cash cow companies that pay dividends

For a portion of your portfolio, makes sense as well. Historical studies have shown that such companies do well even in inflationary times. They can raise their product prices along with inflation.

And I do believe that inflation is coming. Inflating the currency is the only way to pay back the enormous debt we have.

Of course, I've been wrong before. That's why I'm typing this from a house and not a mansion.

19 posted on 09/04/2012 9:46:27 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right
I'd go with a short-term bond fund that holds only bonds issued by very reputable companies.
Like Chrysler or General Motors?
20 posted on 09/04/2012 9:49:24 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AdamBomb

Coal


21 posted on 09/04/2012 9:49:48 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: AdamBomb

VIPSX. This is a Vanguard fund for when SHTF.


22 posted on 09/04/2012 9:50:41 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: oh8eleven
very reputable companies, like Chrysler or General Motors?

You've got a point there! Today's star companies often turn out to be tomorrow's dogs. That's why I'll stuck with stock funds, and not with individual stocks. The risk is spread out more then.

And I like to see big oil companies on the holdings list of the funds I'm looking at.

23 posted on 09/04/2012 9:56:55 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: aimhigh
VIPSX. This is a Vanguard fund for when SHTF.
Yes - or VWINX.
24 posted on 09/04/2012 9:59:28 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AdamBomb
Big bonds and a high currency for a country that's not producing enough is being seen by the world as a fraud. It's only a matter of how soon the avalanche of selling will come.

With the Democrats in the Executive, socialism will continue to favor interests getting their money from the federal government. With Republicans in the Executive, socialism will resume trying to cut federal income interests a little and divert more money to local governments to keep more regulatory eyes, ears and other pressures on the peasants (what little remains of the true private sector).

Most who have incomes sufficient to afford time and contributions for politics get their incomes either directly or indirectly from government.

Some of the most favored client investors are buying (cash) agricultural properties.

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The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
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Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
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Have fun. Enjoy the slide. We earned it.


25 posted on 09/04/2012 10:03:37 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Leaning Right
That's why I'll stuck with stock funds
How'd that work out for 'ya, oh ... the last 5 years? Break even yet?


26 posted on 09/04/2012 10:05:06 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AdamBomb

Corrected for inflation, the DJIA is worth 50% OF the high just 5 years ago.

Silver and gold look good for the next 12 months, followed by lead, brass and blue steel.


27 posted on 09/04/2012 10:11:07 AM PDT by wrench
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Break even yet?

My point is that I'm sticking with stock funds, for the stock potion of my investments. And since I sold most of my stocks back in '08, I have a VERY small stock portion. So the goofy market hasn't hurt me much.

Of course, if Romney wins and the DOW soars to 20,000, I'll be left out in the cold. But I'm okay with that.

28 posted on 09/04/2012 10:16:16 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: oh8eleven
"VWINX"

thanks for the tip. I like it.
29 posted on 09/04/2012 10:18:02 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: AdamBomb

Invest in firearms and precious metals (Lead based ammunition) You will need them for the zombie apocalypse or coming civil war.


30 posted on 09/04/2012 10:21:08 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: Leaning Right
My point is that I'm sticking with stock funds ...
My point is - the stock market is a scam. The sooner you figure that out, the better off you'll be.
31 posted on 09/04/2012 10:23:17 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AdamBomb

If Obama wins, go for commodities. Not that we are really running short on Planet Earth, but Obama and the enviro-nazis will cause shortages through political means and for political purposes.


32 posted on 09/04/2012 10:28:21 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Democrats - The Communist/Satanic/Pervert/Treason Party)
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To: AdamBomb
Excellent info here --> Morningstar - Vanguard Funds Discussion
33 posted on 09/04/2012 10:29:29 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
My point is - the stock market is a scam

Yep, it really is. In fact, the best way to describe the stock market is that it is a kind of Ponzi scheme. As I'm sure you'll agree, people by stocks for one reason only: to sell them later, at a higher price, to some other fool.

But the market is usually a slow-motion Ponzi scheme. If you buy into a declining market (not into a red-hot one), and wait, you can make some very good money.

So IMHO, the market is not something to be avoided at all costs. Approach it like the scam it is, be very conservative, and understand it's a roll of the dice.

34 posted on 09/04/2012 10:35:00 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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"My point is - the stock market is a scam"

I think what he is saying is that stocks in general are bad news for the vast majority of investors. The fund he recommended is great for people like me who don't have hours on end to keep up with this stuff. The fund just kicks ass year after year with minimal downside (at least to this point)
35 posted on 09/04/2012 10:41:28 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Dr. Thorne
"If Obama wins, go for commodities."

...not bad advice.
36 posted on 09/04/2012 10:42:44 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: AdamBomb

Preppers sites/outlets/organizations.


37 posted on 09/04/2012 10:44:29 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: AdamBomb
The fund just kicks ass year after year with minimal downside

I too am a fan of VWINX. In fact, if I could only own one mutual fund, that would be the one. That would be especially true if the fund were in a tax-sheltered account.

But be aware that VWINX holdings are about 60% bonds, mainly intermediate bonds. When interest rates decline, those bonds appreciate and the fund makes good money. That's been the case in the last 5 years.

But if interest rates rise, and especially if they rise rapidly, this fund will take a real hit.

I'm not arguing against this fund! VWINX gives you more return than a money market fund or a CD would, but there is more risk, and you should know that.

If the risk bothers you, consider dollar cost averaging into the fund: instead of putting all your money in at once, send Vanguard a smaller amount each month.

38 posted on 09/04/2012 11:15:08 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: AdamBomb

The timetable needs to be modified.

1) Assuming Obama loses and the Democrats lose control of congress, the lame ducks intend to sabotage the economy any way they can. While only Obama can act unilaterally by executive order, the Democrat senate will refuse to act to stop a whole bunch of essential from taking place.

2) This means that while there might be an immediate reaction to the election, it will be minor compared to the potential earthquakes in January.

Therefore the best course of action right now:

1) Insure that you have mattress money in a safe place at home. Money in the bank can no longer be considered safe.

2) If you have any major medical anything, get it done before the end of the year.

3) If you have potential capital gains or income that can be taken before the end of the year, do so.

4) The wild card is Europe, which could fall apart with very little notice, and no matter what happens in the US, they could at least partially drag us down with them.

On the plus side, after the Republicans take office in January, there will be a “great stabilization” of the economy.


39 posted on 09/04/2012 11:29:22 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: AdamBomb

You said “until the election” but also said “long.” For very long, you might try something connected to a useful commodities in an energy-exporting country. Granted, I’m not qualified to give such advice to anyone. ;-)


40 posted on 09/04/2012 12:01:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: AdamBomb
Pb .. in assorted 'denominations'
41 posted on 09/04/2012 2:39:09 PM PDT by tomkat (:-)
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