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JJ on PBS "Jefferson Davis Democrats became Goldwater Republicans
Human Events ^ | John Gizzi  

Posted on 09/05/2012 7:41:25 AM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs

Separately, Jackson cited “a ‘New South’ that has been created largely by the civil rights marches and then by the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which President Johnson got passed through Congress in 1965.” One far-reaching effect of the Voting Rights Act, said Jackson, “is that politics have changed in the South. Jefferson Davis Democrats became Goldwater Republicans and the Lincoln Republicans became Johnson Democrats.”

Both Jackson and Metcalf agreed that a winning tactic on the part of the new Democratic coalition they envision is full-scale combat with the tea party conservatives and their agenda to cut government.

“45 percent of South Carolina’s economy is related to the federal government,” said Jackson, “The interstate highways are federal, and the seaports are federal. This state’s rights talk (about privatizing government programs and outlets) doesn’t stand up.”


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KEYWORDS: antisemite; baby; dnctalkingpoints; jackson; jesse; jessejackson; killer; liberalbigot

1 posted on 09/05/2012 7:41:31 AM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Hey, Jesse, maybe you should be worrying more about your cokehead son.


2 posted on 09/05/2012 7:42:25 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Ummmmm, no.


3 posted on 09/05/2012 7:43:41 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Seriously, these people are delusional.

Next, we're going to hear that 100% of the economy is dependent on the government since the government issues the currency...

4 posted on 09/05/2012 7:46:07 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 ("You can either limit growth or limit government. We choose to limit government." Paul Ryan.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

“then by the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which President Johnson got passed through Congress in 1965”

Should read, “which President Johnson bribed, rewarded, cheated, and poured money out like water, to get passed through Congress in 1965.”

Much of the fiscal hole we find ourselves in today began with LBJ. And if he hadn’t thrown enough money down the rat hole on his on, later when the riots started, they just completely turned on the money tap! Of course most of those folks knew they’d be long dead before the real stuff hit the fan.


5 posted on 09/05/2012 7:48:46 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

A lie told often enough...

http://www.black-and-right.com/2010/03/19/the-dixiecrat-myth/


6 posted on 09/05/2012 7:50:11 AM PDT by KnutKase (VRWC member since 1988)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

ping


7 posted on 09/05/2012 7:52:54 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Thanks for trying Jesse, but the parties just didn’t switch voting preferences.

You can’t erase the racism inherent in the Democrat party by uttering a lie.


8 posted on 09/05/2012 7:54:15 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Is this bull or what. same old lies. I dont think Jesse thought this one up on his own..bet someone handed him a script


9 posted on 09/05/2012 7:54:50 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Hey Je$$e, which party stated at its convention that we all "belong" to the government? Now shut your pie hole about Republicans supporting slavery.

Je$$e says: “45 percent of South Carolina’s economy is related to the federal government,” said Jackson, “The interstate highways are federal, and the seaports are federal. This state’s rights talk (about privatizing government programs and outlets) doesn’t stand up.”

Frédéric Bastiat predictively responded: "Socialism confuses the distinction between government and society. Every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all."

10 posted on 09/05/2012 7:57:10 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

actually Dixiecrats most certainly with very few exceptions become Republicans

the irony being rather rich..my WBTS ancestry (whose graves I visited last weekend btw) who survived the war and Reconstruction would be aghast until they surveyed the new political scene.

I know NeoYankees just hate that with a passion

However, without us...the descendents...you would be a minority party given how whites vote for the most part where you live sneering down at us.

Sucks I know..but you’ll get over it.

Besides...this year it’s all Yankee anyhow including one pretty darn good one who might be our future...one i can sure live with.

Southern social conservatives are just dependable this year but not much represented.


11 posted on 09/05/2012 7:57:17 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: wardaddy

Complete rewrite of history. The real racists and segregationists in the Democratic party stayed in the Democratic party after the civil rights era.

Most notably among them were Senator Byrd, and Senator Stennis, but the list goes on and on.


12 posted on 09/05/2012 8:01:27 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
The claim that "Jefferson Davis Democrats became Goldwater Republicans and Lincoln Republicans became Lyndon Johnson Democrats" is a bald-faced lie. I challenge anyone to come up with the date at which the Gore family (for example) switched from Republican to Democrat. The Gores were always Democrats. They were both Jefferson Davis Democrats and Lyndon Johnson Democrats.

This notion that the left supports centralization and the right supports federalism is very strange. In old Mexico it was the conservatives who supported centralization while left wingers like Benito Juarez supported not only a decentralized federal union but American-style capitalism as well.

13 posted on 09/05/2012 8:17:42 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Jefferson Davis Democrats became Goldwater Republicans and the Lincoln Republicans became Johnson Democrats

That is the Dems' current conceit. Its how they explain their history to themselves.

Actually, once you remove race as an issue, the parties did realign with Dems who were, say, national security conservatives or free market "classic liberals" crossing over to the GOP. We didn't accept the Dem view of race, they accepted ours.

The GOP has generally resisted race politics, while the DNC has always had race front and center. A lot has changed in terms of race in America, but the DNC's obsession with race has not changed.

14 posted on 09/05/2012 8:36:30 AM PDT by marron
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

How does he feel about those Jefferson Davis Democrats lynching his people? What a fraud this man is.


15 posted on 09/05/2012 9:26:14 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: wardaddy; o2bfree
actually Dixiecrats most certainly with very few exceptions become Republicans

Not so much. o2bfree is correct. That's a compete fabrication. Of 26 admitted dixiecrats, only 3 became republicans. The rest went back to the democrat fold.

16 posted on 09/05/2012 9:29:54 AM PDT by SwankyC
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Bump


17 posted on 09/05/2012 9:44:11 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

And Democrats all turned into A-holes or were they always that way?


18 posted on 09/05/2012 9:47:28 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Republicans wanted and want Blacks to be free. Democrats wanted and want the slave holders to be changed to the Government. Obama, Jesse and Al are just the big house slaves trying to keep the field slaves from running.


19 posted on 09/05/2012 9:58:53 AM PDT by Starstruck (It's all Obama's fault)
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To: wardaddy
"actually Dixiecrats most certainly with very few exceptions become Republicans"

Factually they didn't. I came across a website that had a list of all the known Dixiecrats and traced their party affiliated once the Dixiecrat party fell apart. Something like 90% of them became democrats.

20 posted on 09/05/2012 11:06:58 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: SwankyC
I am talking about the voting populace of the white south if whicberh I am a member old enough to remember at 55 and the crop of GOP. pols since then who followed social conservatism from post LBJ. Dempsey to the GOP diluting the existing social moderates there who had voted for the social liberalism of the 60s to begin with

There is no question of that...the voting white south fled to the GOP and pushed it right.

And btw...John Stennis was a patriot..democrat or nit...lookvit up.

21 posted on 09/05/2012 11:20:31 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: wardaddy
You, as usual, show a correct knowledge of political history. The swing of Southern Conservatives--and because of their swing, the gradual improvement in the Federal Judiciary, really started when Strom Thurmond switched parties in 1964 to support Barry Goldwater. It was Thurmond, also, who held Nixon & other Repupblican Presidents feet to the fire, thereafter, in trying to get more Conservatives on the Federal Bench.

Personally, through High School & College & Law School, I was a Conservative Democrat--my political identification with such men as Harry Byrd of Virginia--who was very well respected in Southern Ohio as a true statesman, by men in both political parties. While I began to work for Barry Goldwater's candidacy right after the 1960 election, I did not actually switch parties, myself until the 1964 campaign.

Without the Southern Conservative swing to the Republicans, neither Nixon nor Reagan could have been elected--nor for that matter would either Bush. That is political reality. It is truly a shame that at this late date, there is still such a terrible bias against Southern Conservatives.

Of course Jesse Jackson epitomizes what I have referred to as Creating Hate In America Today. Those who seek to deliberately undermine the rooted Southerners sense of heritage are no friends to any American future. It is the South where the largest percentage of the population still understand the multi-generational pursuit that is any nation, tribe, community or family.

Continue to keep the Faith!

Bill Flax

22 posted on 09/05/2012 11:29:25 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

So was Jesse Jackson a Jefferson Davis Democrat who became an LBJ Democrat? How’d that happen?


23 posted on 09/05/2012 11:30:04 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: Pelham
Hilarious isn't it?

Don't these kids know every white person in America was a racist in 1955 by today's submissive white benchmark

And to deny that white democrat voters did not flock to the GOP from Nixon on to get away from Great Society excess is just willfull ignorance

Bet they don't know most GOP voted all that garbage and only Dixiecrats and GOP like Reagan...Buckley and Goldwater came out against that junk

Junk which laid the seeds for what they all whine about today...with good reason

Its a common thread here.ignorance framed by the ever present racial prism they simply cannot resist the lure of

24 posted on 09/05/2012 11:49:30 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: Ohioan

Long time no see Bill great to see some sanity on the thread

I saw anti Southern bias here first day 12 years ago

Its the culture...brainwashed the kids

Just imagine how bad the left must be


25 posted on 09/05/2012 11:55:14 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: wardaddy
The brainwashing has been accomplished by Leftists substituting their wish lists for how things "should be" for the reality of how things & people, actually were. We have been bombarded by a false "idealism," that reflects an implacable hatred of reality by people who suffer from the same malady as the Jacobins, who gave France the "Reign Of Terror," the Bolshevik Communists, who gave Russia over seventy years of pure hell; the Nazis who immersed Germany & most of Europe in a totally disastrous, self-destructive war, both on each other's armies & civilian populations; as Chairman Mao, who savaged the Chinese, with his "Cultural Revolution," etc..

The compulsion to try to force a uniformity on any population reflects a neurotic denial of the fact that people are all different--not the same--not at all the same. The South is most hated by such compulsion driven fanatics, not because you were ever the intolerant land that they seek to picture, but precisely the opposite. You were the land of Jefferson, the land of tolerance, of an individualism so deep that many of your Confederate Army Officers felt free to redesign their own uniforms; a land where at a time when the hate crazed Pennsylvania radical Thadeus Stephens was Karl Marx's pen pal--Marx being the actual framer of Hitler's rationalizations for demonizing the European Jews--had two Jewish Senators, one of whom was named Secretary of State for the Confederacy.

The false history of the South is easily refuted by such witnesses as Booker T. Washington, whose description of race relations in the 1890s paints the true picture that Hollywood & the NEA have been denying in both movies & classrooms since the 1950s.

Sorry to get up on a typing "soap box." It is just that we really need you folks on our side.

Always great to "hear" from you.

Bill

26 posted on 09/05/2012 12:32:38 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: KnutKase

Good stuff. Thanks, I needed that.


27 posted on 09/05/2012 1:14:17 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: KnutKase

Good stuff. Thanks, I needed that.


28 posted on 09/05/2012 1:18:14 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Like Senator Byrd.


29 posted on 09/05/2012 1:23:13 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: o2bfree

Where do you get your “history”?


30 posted on 09/05/2012 10:46:04 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the White House)
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To: Durus

Evidently you never heard of Strom Thurmond.


31 posted on 09/05/2012 10:47:51 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the White House)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I’m a Goldwater/Reagan Republican...I live near Nashville...I hate Andrew Jackson and his racist party. Cherokee murderer.


32 posted on 09/05/2012 10:50:56 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: wardaddy

And so they lie again to their slaves and then stab them in the back again by diluting their power filling the void will illegal aliens.

Stupid Dem blacks are in for a reckoning soon. Maybe they’ll come back to the party of freedom in the South.

Of course I’m 53 and will die before that.


33 posted on 09/05/2012 10:57:03 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: I cannot think of a name
Or maybe it should read,’’That Johnson appealed to the Republican minority in the Senate under Everett Dirkson(R-Wisconsin) for passage after Democrats in the House filibustered it''.
34 posted on 09/05/2012 11:06:32 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Ohioan

So, where in your narrative does slavery in the pre-1861 South fit in?


35 posted on 09/05/2012 11:15:18 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Pelham
Of course I have but he wasn't the entirety of the Dixiecrat movement. The facts don't lie, the overwhelming majority of Dixiecrats went back to their Democrat roots when the party dissolved.
36 posted on 09/06/2012 5:31:40 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Jesse Jackson, the original affirmative action celebutard. He's a reverend of nothing and a political expert minus academia. Is he just that good or is he just that black?
37 posted on 09/06/2012 5:44:25 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: jmacusa

Actually, most of how the bill got passed was an agreement to ignore the superior Boeing and Douglas designs (over Air Force objections), and pick the Lockheed version of what would become the C-5A, only because Lockheed had agreed to build it in the deep South. That brought the necessary deep South Democrat support necessary (mainly Wilbur Mills).


38 posted on 09/06/2012 6:42:02 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: jmacusa
I posted a direct link to the Booker T. Washington speech, which puts the matter into an accurate perspective, in the reply to which you replied in your query. Read what he had to say, in the context of what is being argued in this thread.

William Flax

39 posted on 09/06/2012 8:15:39 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

I said the pre-1861 South and your reference to ‘’tolerance’’ eludes me. How was slavery ‘’tolerance’’?


40 posted on 09/06/2012 11:32:47 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
The post to which you replied, originally, offered examples of Southern toleration for eccentricity & religious differences. It also cited Booker T. Washington as to the good relations between the primary races.

It did not refer to the labor system, corporation law or any of a host of other aspects of the culture or legal system. Southern tolerance would certainly have affected how the law was applied, of course; but that was not the subject of my comment. You are trying to make a statement; but the statement you are trying to make has no relevance to my point.

William Flax

41 posted on 09/07/2012 7:39:25 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

I was asking for a certain clarification, thank you.


42 posted on 09/07/2012 9:20:55 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Ohioan

Only closer examination I find you’re mighty full of yourself— and something else too.


43 posted on 09/08/2012 10:05:12 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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