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Older freeper needs MP3 Player vs. I-Pod advice from younger freepers (vanity)
Brighthub.com ^ | 8 September 2012 | A plea for help

Posted on 09/08/2012 9:54:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman

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I've done a little bit of internet research as shown at the link and am still not sure of the difference between an I-Pod or MP3 player or which, of scores of models would be best and easiest for us to use.

Basically, I just want to plug something into a USB drive on the computer, drag and drop music files (either downloaded or from prerecoded music CD's we already have) and play lots of music without changing CD's when the wife and I are out driving.

I don't walk around attached to an earphone or any of those things which seem to be the norm among the pre boomer set. We just want something easy to use in the car our three lovely daughters have enabled us to get and hopefully use someday on a long road trip to visit our cute little grandson and little granddaughter on the way.

1 posted on 09/08/2012 9:55:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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ipods and itunes are pretty simple to use, idiot proof, even. You can find other devices cheaper and you can find people who’ll tell you how they don’t like apple’s proprietary software, but for someone who just wants something to work, I’d go with an ipod.


2 posted on 09/08/2012 9:57:27 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Don’t be bitter about working for the other 50%. Take heart. Think about the bright side. All of your sacrifices have helped prepare your daughters to work hard and be successful so they can support an even larger dependent class.


3 posted on 09/08/2012 10:02:05 AM PDT by golux
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I've had mine for 7 years .. 2GB is a TON of music (~500 mp3s) .. great volume, very rugged, easy interface, $65

AM/FM tuner, voice recorder, video player, photo storage/viewing . . .

SanDisk Sansa Fuze 2 GB Video MP3 Player


4 posted on 09/08/2012 10:02:46 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU hussein)
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To: Vigilanteman

I got a little Sanza Fuze a couple of years ago to use at work. Had some trouble initially, but it’s been tough, reliable and easy to use since. I found it on sale very cheap, so investing a little search time usually pays off.

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Video-Player-Black/dp/B0015L0T68/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1347123500&sr=1-2&keywords=sansa+fuze

iPods and fancier players are cool, but sometimes you just want something simple.


5 posted on 09/08/2012 10:03:03 AM PDT by noblejones (Obama rules!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The biggest problem I found with an I pod in the car is having to find a new station whenever I got into a new area when I was on a road trip. Does Pandora work in the car? It works on my computer and Iphone.


6 posted on 09/08/2012 10:04:49 AM PDT by MondoQueen
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Here's the deal as I see it:

If you don't have a large CD collection, get an iPod and buy music via iTunes. An iPod costs much more than a generic MP3 player, but it gives you access to the iTunes library of music.

If you already have an extensive collection of music on CDs (like I do,) then buy any one of the several MP3 players available at places like Walmart. You can then rip your own CDs onto the MP3 player, create playlists, and listen to them when you like. Since you already bought the music, and you spent at least $150 less on the player than you would have on the iPod, you're further ahead financially.

7 posted on 09/08/2012 10:07:38 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Vigilanteman

Ther are so many choices it’s mind boggling. To get started I suggest you buy your self an inexpensive mp3 player. It’s no different then an i-Pod for your type of use. I currently am using a Sansa Clip. 4gb can store about 1000 songs.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 10:07:41 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Vigilanteman

If this is a new car, before you buy anything you might just try to put a CD into the radio with MP3 files on it. It might possibly play that without any further need for plug-ins. I know I had a car radio that could play MP-3s, and that was some time ago, although I did specifically ask for it to be installed.

Anyway, it’s certainly worth a try. MP3s have been around for some time, and if your radio will take CDs, then it may well be programmed to play MP3s.


9 posted on 09/08/2012 10:08:34 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Seriously? He said he wanted to drag and drop. Itunes is far more complicated than that. Itunes is shockingly overcomplicated for what it does. It’s a bloated, slow, confusing, mess. When I had an Iphone, I jailbroke it, so I didn’t have to use itunes.

Any regular MP3 player that is made by someone other than Apple, will plug in via USB (Usually without a proprietary cable like Apple has, I might add) and be recognized by your computer as a hard drive. Then, you can just put your music on it and you’re done.

So, the answer is any MP3 player that is NOT made by Apple.

However, the question might not be the right one. The MP3 player has been mostly replaced these days by smart phones that do a whole lot of other things and also function as mp3 players. Any Android phone will do what you want as well, plus a whole lot more. That might be something worth exploring.

For instance, most will also function as a GPS with turn by turn navigation. You’ll also have streaming radio. For instance, there is a radio station from NY that I liked, so when I moved to SC, I just listen with their app in my car.

Getting a smart phone is a huge life changer...definitely worth it, IMHO.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 10:09:03 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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I'm not a big fan of iPods or iPhones for a number of reasons.Among them are expense,the difficulties with MP4's (which,I believe,is what you get from iTunes) and Apple's Marxist politics (Rush is free to think what he wants).If you have a big CD collection and if your downloaded music is in the MP3 format I'd go with something other than iPod.

Do you have a cell phone? Does your car play bluetooth audio? If you have a cell phone it's very probably capable of storing and playing music at least through its jack and possibly via bluetooth.It's not as complicated as it might seem....I'm a technical dunce and I have lots of MP3's stored on my cell phone which I can play via bluetooth or via cord.

11 posted on 09/08/2012 10:09:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
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I am with tomkat, go with the Sansa. I had an ipod product once, we had to replace it 3 times in the first year. Switched to the sansa, couldn’t be happier.

If you have an i-phone/android, you can use it for music. Or stream Pandora.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 10:09:27 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: MondoQueen

That’s only a problem if you’re using one of the aftermarket fm transmitters to play the device through the car radio. Many new cars have a USB jack in the soundsystem that allows direct connection with the player, with no radio signal needed.


13 posted on 09/08/2012 10:09:31 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: tomkat

Ha! Right behind you. I use mine to listen to Rush at work. Keeps me sane.


14 posted on 09/08/2012 10:10:11 AM PDT by noblejones (Obama rules!)
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To: Vigilanteman
I'm an older guy who wasn't impressed with these things until I bought one and started using it. I bought last year's model of this.

Easy to use.

15 posted on 09/08/2012 10:10:18 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (On 5 September 2012 A.D., the communist Democrats tried to kill God and failed.)
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To: Vigilanteman

If you don’t need the fancy video screen, the Sansa Clip is dirt cheap and works well. The text is pretty small for aging eyes, but from the sounds of it you’ll probably just leave it in the car and all you need to do is press the pause button.


16 posted on 09/08/2012 10:12:21 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: Vigilanteman

I just use my phone as an MP3 player. (Android smartphone with a 16GB SD card in it)

Plug the earphone jack into the car stereo and you’re good to go.

Why bother with separate devices?


17 posted on 09/08/2012 10:14:00 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
He said he wanted to drag and drop. Itunes is far more complicated than that.

I put in a CD and drag and drop the songs right into iTunes. I plug in my iPod and-viola-they're on the player. No difficulty at all.

18 posted on 09/08/2012 10:14:06 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
You’ll also have streaming radio. For instance, there is a radio station from NY that I liked, so when I moved to SC, I just listen with their app in my car.

I love streaming audio.On a couple of recent road trips (Florida and Denver) I was able to listen to my favorite Boston talk host the whole time I was gone as well as not having to search for Rush every 50 miles while on the road.It's like satellite radio without the expense,particularly if you have an unlimited data plan like I do.

19 posted on 09/08/2012 10:15:43 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
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I put in a CD and drag and drop the songs right into iTunes. I plug in my iPod and-viola-they're on the player. No difficulty at all.

To which format does it convert the tracks...MP4...MP3...something else?

20 posted on 09/08/2012 10:17:37 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
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Don’t know. Don’t care. Sounds fine.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 10:21:53 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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Another thing that occurred to me...a good percentage of more recent cars have hard drives built right into the radios.In such cars you can load your music right into the car’s radio and voila! Might your car have that feature?


22 posted on 09/08/2012 10:22:09 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
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To: Vigilanteman

I’ve had several Sansas. They are pretty good, and cheap to replace if necessary.

I use Windows Media Player, drag and drop the music from my folders into a sync list, and push the sync button. Easy. :)


23 posted on 09/08/2012 10:25:30 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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Let’s say you get an iPod or a Sansa Fuse or similar. How do you get the music from the player into the in-car’s radio speakers?

To me that’s the biggest part of the battle. mp3 players are ubiquitous.


24 posted on 09/08/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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I just replaced my car stereo, because the aux jack broke. I got one with a usb port. I LOVE using a flash drive. My mp3 player had to be recharged, so I was often without music. Wit the usb port, I’m always good to go, and I’m not limited to the memory size of an mp3 player.


25 posted on 09/08/2012 10:31:17 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: tomkat

Sansa allows the freedom of using explorer to manage your files. No iTunes and synching. And you get to keep all your stuff - not apple. Sansa clip is small and very cheap.


26 posted on 09/08/2012 10:32:13 AM PDT by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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Agreed re ease of use . . drag/drop from Windows Explorer . . no rental music from apple (pffft)  ;-)
27 posted on 09/08/2012 10:39:58 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU hussein)
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don’t make this complicated. what kind of port does you car offer? is it a USB port?

if you have a USB port, my car has one, then you should be able to simply plug in a flash drive with mp3 files on it. That’s it - don’t need an ipod, mp3 player at all.

In my car, I have a simple common flash drive with maybe 700-1000 mp3 files on it divided into 4 folders based on type of music. Plugs in to the USB port and I listen to the music.


28 posted on 09/08/2012 10:54:45 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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Do you have a smartphone? You can just use that to store and play your mp3 tunes. Downside is that it can eat up your batteries if you use it a lot, but if you have a phone charger in the car as well, then you can charge the phone while driving.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 10:55:29 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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Here’s what I’d do: On the next gifting occasion (birthday, Christmas, whatever) tell your daughters you want a music player that works with your new car, plus installation and instructions on how to use the danged thing.

Call it father-daughter bonding time.


30 posted on 09/08/2012 10:58:05 AM PDT by Jedidah
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The thing I don’t like about portable music players in the car is that the displays are too small and the buttons too tiny, and they fly all over the place unless you buy some sort of dedicated bracketry.

I searched long and hard for a large-display mp3 player that was easy to use in the car - I figured there’d be something on the market for the older set who can’t see so well (like my parents). But there’s really nothing out there. Even considered building my own, but that’s a bit beyond my abilities.

I bought a NOS Omnifi DMP1. Rockford Fosgate abandoned them several years ago, but IMHO, it’s a pretty good idea for in-vehicle music. Little more expensive, but I think it’s worth it. Haven’t installed mine yet, but I’m looking forward to it.

I don’t know why there aren’t portable music players designed to be easily used in a vehicle. About the best solution is one where the head unit interfaces with the device and becomes the control unit.


31 posted on 09/08/2012 11:09:20 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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Well, I learn something new every day! Since I have a 10-year old car, no wonder I don’t have a USB port, and I don’t see a new car in my future. In fact I don’t see much of a future if something doesn’t happen in November. I’ll just have to sing to myself in the car.


32 posted on 09/08/2012 11:21:14 AM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: corkoman

Agree. Sansa mp3 players are affordable and so easy to use! I have a cord and connect it in the car. Love it! Then again, I avoid all Apple products, if at all possible.


33 posted on 09/08/2012 11:22:41 AM PDT by ozaukeemom (Time for some R & R. Respect and renew. Romney and Ryan)
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I bought an Ipod Nano and set up an Itunes account. I then went online and reviewed the top 100 rock and roll songs for every year from 1964 thru 1989. I picked out 173 and downloaded them from Itunes into my Nano. It makes driving my 2008 Shelby GT500 or 2012 Infiniti FX35 even that more enjoyable. Life is good.


34 posted on 09/08/2012 12:03:50 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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Like others here, I would stay away from I-Pods. I know my children love them, but the one I had died after two years from battery failure, and there was no easy way to simply drag and drop MP3/WMA files as you want to do. Everything has to be stored on the I-Pod in Apple's own format. My kids like it because they are all into I-Tunes, for which the I-Pod is perfectly integrated. The one big advantage of the I-Pod is that everything seems to sync with it easily, and most newer car radios have features allowing you to do this.

I prefer the Sony Walkman line of MP3 players. You can drag and drop as if to a memory stick, they are very easy to use, and their sound quality is suburb (much better than an I_Pod). Sadly, Sony seems to be discontinuing them, but they are well built, free of any quality issues, and would seem to last forever. I suppose if you cannot find one Sansa would be a good choice.

To connect an MP3 player to a car radio you'll need to use a patch cord that plugs into you radio's accessory port, if your radio has one.

35 posted on 09/08/2012 12:10:02 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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Does your cell phone have a usb charger? If it does, chances are it will store mp3s. Check your user's manual. I use Blackberry-formerly my cell phone-to store audio and video.
36 posted on 09/08/2012 12:21:07 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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“2GB is a TON of music (~500 mp3s)”

Of course, that is dependent upon the kbps sampling rate.

I have compared, 128k to 320k. Unless you have decreased hearing, the difference is noticeable with the naked ear. The flip-side is that a “clean” 33 1/3 album blows them both out of the water.

The lower the kbps then the bass is accentuated. I like to hear the entire audio spectrum.


37 posted on 09/08/2012 12:21:35 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: MondoQueen

If your car has a cassette tape player, you can get an mp3 minijack to cassette cartridge convertor. I do this with an older car that doesn’t have a port.

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-USA-PH-62050-MD-To-Cassette-Adapter/dp/B0007R4LI8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1347132774&sr=8-5&keywords=cassette+to+mp3+converter


38 posted on 09/08/2012 12:35:46 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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Well, were an mp3 player able to decode them, my average 10 track album in uncompressed FLAC format runs on average ~400MB, which would translate to ~5 albums @ 2 GB.
(and actually it can if i were to ignore the pita and convert 'em to .wav)

I rather imagine that the OP, given his tech threshold, would be more concerned with how to make all the buttons work than fiddling with 320 vs 160 vs 128 kbps   ;-)

39 posted on 09/08/2012 12:47:49 PM PDT by tomkat ( FU hussein)
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I have a tiny 4GB SanDisk Sansa Clip from Radio Shack for about 35 bucks ... it has been rugged, reliable, and easy to use, and holds almost 800 songs currently with room to spare. You may have to put on your glasses to plug in the tiny mini-USB connector tho ... ;)


40 posted on 09/08/2012 1:02:55 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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You’ll need to “Rip” songs from your CDs (using a computer) to put them on your iPod. Sounds like a job for your daughters!


41 posted on 09/08/2012 1:06:44 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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plug it in. Depending on the model of vehicle there is an “aux” button or some other control that lets you play it through the stereo.


42 posted on 09/08/2012 1:31:57 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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CHinese Ebay junk 10 bucks for thumb drive player. Put songs on thumb drive. Put thumb drive in player. Put player in cigarette power supply.

FM Modulator/Transmitter with LCD Screen, USB & SD Inputs

43 posted on 09/08/2012 2:07:04 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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Cheapest possible way if you’ve got a screen in the car is just use a thumb drive .... about $5-$10. That’s what I do in my car. I loaded it up with music and books on tape, plugged it in, and it works great! Plus, I can keep it plugged in all the time, no having to unplug it and take it into the house so I can charge the battery, because there’s no battery!


44 posted on 09/08/2012 2:45:35 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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If you have a large music collection, get an IPod Classic (more bang for your buck imo @ 160GB). On mine, I have about 12k or so songs. If you don't have a very large collection, Sandisk models are pretty good.

A lot of the SanDisk players and off brand models are usually decently priced (under $50 or so) for about 4GB. As long as you have an auxiliary plug, any player will do. And every model with the exception of Ipods allow you to drag and drop into a folder directly from your computer. Best of luck!

45 posted on 09/08/2012 2:53:30 PM PDT by Txngal
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To: rigelkentaurus
It is a female USB port which the owner's manual says is compatible with:
  1. WMA (have no idea what that is)
  2. MP3
  3. AAC files(have no idea what that is)
  4. iPod
  5. USB flash drives

46 posted on 09/08/2012 3:09:51 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
As others have suggested, simply drag MP3 files onto a thumb drive, and plug the thumb drive into the USB port. I do this with my car audio system, but the only problem is that usually there is a limit, in my case ~100 songs, to what the car audio will see. Once beyond that, the audio simply ignores anything else. The work around is to put songs into folders, but then it's difficult to navigate between folders using the car audio controls, and the MP3s are not seen by the car audio in the same order as you put them on the thumb drive. This is what makes an MP3 player advantageous: it is easier to select the MP3 you want than if you use a thumb drive plugged into the USB port, especially if you have many MP3s to navigate through.
47 posted on 09/08/2012 3:28:29 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Vigilanteman

Up until this year, my car had a cassette player. I have thousands of recordings on sound discs—33, 45 and 78 rpm and was a heavy home taper until my trusty 1982 Radio Shack Clarinette 102 phonograph died. I still download songs from Youtube onto cassettes. I would like to find out how to transfer the music on cassettes to CD’s or some other digital format.


48 posted on 09/08/2012 6:13:56 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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Wow - thanks for posting this. I, too, am very interested in learning about this. At age 55, I am a wife, mother to 3 sons and now a grandmother to a 6-month old grandson. I have been asking my youngest son, age 20, what I should get - MP3 or Ipod. I thought I was the only one in the world, at this point, who didn’t have one or the other, for heaven’s sake. I have recently started up working out at the Y again - 3 or 4 times a week, and wanting to listen to music or download some of the talk radio shows - all conservative, of course.

Anyway, I am interested in reading all the responses!! I don’t even have a smart phone...still using a flip phone. But - as my son reminds me...often - “Mom, you do have a laptop and an IPAD!!”...Anyway - I am eager to learn about all of this, so I’ll be reading the posts, right along with you.


49 posted on 09/08/2012 6:28:52 PM PDT by MasonGal
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To: Fiji Hill

A couple years ago I bought a machine for around $150 that does that, from Hammacher. It has places to insert 2 cassettes, and attaches to the computer. So from the computer you can do whatever - copy, CD etc. Well pricey.

Maybe you could see a pic of it on the Hammacher site.

I have tons of old cassettes I held dear. Well - dont much bother with them now. Am into mp3 - pc - SDs etc.


About mp3 players, I have been using a mp3 player/recorder for years - use it all day every day. Recording and listening. IMO it is the only one there is. There were 2 previous types/from different places. But all very similar.

The latest from CCrane, called CCWITNESS. They just sold out their final stock. But looks like another version coming.

So handy - has 20 presets for timed recording - I record Rush during the day and CtoC over night - to listen in the morning without staying up all night.

Has many features, like fast forwarding to get thru the hours of talk radio VERY FAST. Handy enough to wear around the neck with supplied cord. etc


50 posted on 09/09/2012 12:00:17 AM PDT by PraiseTheLord
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