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Inspiration for the 8-Track---Mad Man Muntz
recording-history.org ^

Posted on 09/08/2012 8:38:13 PM PDT by djone

^ The second main commercial application was in the field of auto sound. Earl "Madman" Muntz was a former Kaiser-Frazer automobile dealer who had earned his nickname through his loud, flamboyant television commercials. His motto was "I buy 'em retail and sell 'em wholesale. It's more fun that way!" Already a national celebrity by the 1950s, he soon jumped from auto sales to electronics, opening a chain of television retail outlets. ....Muntz had inexpensive Fidelipac players custom manufactured in Japan, and licensed the music of several record companies for duplication on carts. Even though the players were intended to be installed in cars, where "hi-fi" hardly mattered, Muntz sought to enhance the appeal of his product by adopting the stereo tape standards established by recorder manufacturers a few years earlier, and his players used the new, mass produced stereo tape heads being made for the home recorder industry......Just how Bill Lear managed to convince the auto executives to cram those players under the dashboards of Ford Mustangs and Fairlanes is a little unclear...early Learjet Stereo 8 player, pictured here, was designed with convenience in mind--and safety. The minimal knobs and controls were intended to make it quick and easy to play tapes while driving, without the driver taking his or her eyes off the road.................

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TOPICS: History; Music/Entertainment; Science
KEYWORDS: music; science
...learJet

The 8 track was the epoc of car music.....LZ- "Dazed and confused for days I dont know how>

1 posted on 09/08/2012 8:38:20 PM PDT by djone
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To: djone

I saw a 1060’s something Rolls Royce a couple years ago that had an 8 track as standard equipment...found that interesting...someone had later added a cassette deck, but the built in 8 track was still there.


2 posted on 09/08/2012 8:42:36 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
“One of life’s many pleasures is sitting in the driving seat of a Jensen FF, and listening to that wonderful ‘KACHUNK’ sound, as the ‘8’ track cartridge is pushed into the player.”...ULRIC WOODHAMS ‘KACHUNK’
3 posted on 09/08/2012 8:46:12 PM PDT by djone (“we own this country,”)
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To: djone

My mother ordered a brand new 1969 Oldsmobile 442 because she was tired of station wagons. She took me in to help her with the options list. She already knew she wanted power everything and metallic grey paint with black vinyl top and a blue vinyl interior. I added the 8-track tape player and 400 ci V-8. Was a fun car.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 8:51:34 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Those 1060 Rollses really last a long time. Great engineering.


5 posted on 09/08/2012 8:53:47 PM PDT by Mears
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To: MtBaldy
"My mother ordered a brand new 1969 Oldsmobile 442 "...now thats something...What was it ? 4 BBl...4 SPD..2 DR ??? ...Automatic Radio 8 Track tape Player
6 posted on 09/08/2012 8:59:06 PM PDT by djone (..we own this country,..)
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To: djone

The most sought after item that would guarantee your car would be broken into. Its as if you kept a gold brick on the front seat nowadays.


7 posted on 09/08/2012 9:00:53 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: djone

I think it was 2 exhaust pipes, not doors.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 9:00:58 PM PDT by Loud Mime (I'll claim I speak for God only after I do acid, a few lines of coke and half a bottle of bourbon.)
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To: djone
The late great Bob Pease from National Semiconductor wrote about Muntz way back when. Seems Muntz was some kind of a self-taught engineer who had a penchant for snipping out components to reduce costs.
9 posted on 09/08/2012 9:03:31 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: djone

In college in the late ‘60s I had a talent for fixing 8 Track carts. It made me some spare change in the dorm, and there was never a lack of work.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 9:03:35 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: djone
8-tracks were large cassette tapes Really? 8-Track Museum Opens In Texas http://www.crackerhammer.com/really-8-track-museum-opens-in-texas.html
11 posted on 09/08/2012 9:04:50 PM PDT by djone (..we own this country,..)
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To: djone
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12 posted on 09/08/2012 9:06:39 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: djone

I remember when I got my first car with a cassette player in it, in the 1990s (a Maverick), it was better, but not all better, the 8 tracks had their own little (few) good traits.


13 posted on 09/08/2012 9:09:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: djone

Wow! Does this bring back some memories or what? Muntz.


14 posted on 09/08/2012 9:10:21 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DNC convention is proof that Americans still love a good freak show.)
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To: PUGACHEV
Superscope Quadraphonic Quad ..Playing ...'Deep Purple
15 posted on 09/08/2012 9:13:47 PM PDT by djone (..we own this country,..)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
..futuristic 8
16 posted on 09/08/2012 9:18:24 PM PDT by djone (..we own this country,..)
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To: Eye of Unk
...theives liked the tapes too...
17 posted on 09/08/2012 9:21:14 PM PDT by djone (..we own this country,..)
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To: djone

As a kid in the early 70’s it was the “cool” thing to do was popping an 8 track out of a car, it was a status symbol of how many you could do, and then we would travel to the local flea market to sell them, right out in the open.


18 posted on 09/08/2012 9:24:57 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: djone
The Mad Man even tried his hand at cars:


19 posted on 09/08/2012 9:26:32 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Romney was right about the Olympics, but neither the Brits or the Dems will admit it.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
'some memories or what? Muntz' "Madman" Muntz
20 posted on 09/08/2012 9:26:59 PM PDT by djone (..we own this country,..you're fired')
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To: Michael.SF.

‘Mad Man even tried his hand at cars’ ...no kidding?.,.. they’re beautiful {adj. Having qualities that delight the senses}....


21 posted on 09/08/2012 9:31:16 PM PDT by djone (..we own this country,..you're fired')
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To: Eye of Unk
This is what happens when you steal.... nooooo
22 posted on 09/08/2012 9:34:20 PM PDT by djone ('..we own this country,..you're fired')
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To: djone

I remember Muntz TV’s when I was a kid. I think, but would not swear to it, our first TV was one. Parents bought it in probably 1954 or 55.


23 posted on 09/08/2012 9:38:32 PM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: djone

I had a 77 Old Cutlass with a combo 8track/CB original equip


24 posted on 09/08/2012 9:45:41 PM PDT by Figment
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To: jmax
Madman Muntz pushes too many buttons in '58 Ford and it folds up into itself'
25 posted on 09/08/2012 9:46:37 PM PDT by djone ('..,..you're fired')
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To: jmax
Madman Muntz pushes too many buttons in '58 Ford and it folds up into itself'
26 posted on 09/08/2012 9:47:55 PM PDT by djone ('..,..you're fired')
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To: ansel12

As long as they played correctly (didn’t eat) the didn’t cram everything in on a narrow tape. The quad 8tracks were the top of car stereo listening at the time


27 posted on 09/08/2012 9:49:51 PM PDT by Figment
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To: djone
Muntz 4 track cartridge player
28 posted on 09/08/2012 9:51:20 PM PDT by djone ('..,..you're fired')
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To: djone

The quad tapes sounded great, but were the most likely to eff up. They had twice as much tape crammed in the same size package.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 9:52:40 PM PDT by Figment
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To: djone

Been dazed and confused for so long, it’s not true
A-wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Lots of people talkin’, few of them know
soul of a woman was created below, yay

You hurt and abuse, tellin’ all of your lies
Run ‘round sweet baby, lord, how they hypnotize
Sweet little baby, I don’t know where you been
Gonna love you baby, here I come again


30 posted on 09/08/2012 9:59:00 PM PDT by djone ('..,..you're fired')
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To: djone

Note the difference, however. The Fidelpac cartridge that Muntz used has a big hole in the plastic case where your 8-track has a roller. That’s because the Fidelpac, which was used to play most every Radio and TV commercial and jingle until digital audio came along, worked that way - the pinch roller had to be brought up into position after the tape was inserted. The fancy way to do that like was with a solenoid, but that added cost, so the cheaper radio station machines, and the ones Muntz copied, used a lever that was operated by the finger. This made for an ugly appearance, with part of the mechanism exposed and Bill Lear had the inspiration to put the pinch roller inside, and thus the 8-track came to be. It solved that problem and because all you had to do was shove the tape into the machine, made them much nicer to look at and reasonably realiable. It was the tapes that became the aggravation...a fluttering strip of 1/4” tape alongside the road was a common sight!


31 posted on 09/08/2012 9:59:03 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: djone

There you go - the lever I refer to is visible to the left, as is the open construction of the Muntz 4 track. I have a Pioneer 4 track machine that is very similar, except it is all chrome and has never been installed.


32 posted on 09/08/2012 10:02:09 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

‘The Fidelpac cartridge that Muntz used has a big hole in the plastic case where your 8-track has a roller’ ...I knew the 4 track had a big hole where the 8 track had a roller but I didn’t know why not.. thanks ...


33 posted on 09/08/2012 10:04:36 PM PDT by djone ('..,..O'B.... you're fired')
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To: djone

I had a 1967 Camaro Super Sport that had the 8-track option. I was the second owner of the car and it was three years old. Someone broke into the car one night and stole the casette player. They also did a lot of damage to the inside of the car. My dad woke me up early one morning and told me the passenger door to my car was open. Really pissed me off! I remember that kachunk sound, right in the middle of listening to a song. Does anyone remember 4- tracks BTW?


34 posted on 09/08/2012 10:22:23 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: djone

She looks like one of the girls I dated in College. Probably a Grandmother now.


35 posted on 09/08/2012 10:24:23 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: MtBaldy

I would love to have that car right now.


36 posted on 09/08/2012 10:55:12 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: All

Muntz was (in)famous for his attempts to make TVs as cheaply as possible. He’d order his engineers to remove parts from the sets until they quit working, then re-install the last component. In his later years, he helped develop one of the first successful projection TVs and then expanded into the new world of cell phones and video equipment in the 80s. Finally had to retire when years of smoking caught up with him.

He was also widely credited with popularizing the term “TV” instead of “television”, although it was in fact already used in station names (eg. WCAU-TV)


37 posted on 09/08/2012 11:18:00 PM PDT by Strk321
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To: Michael.SF.

Not to be forgotten!? The Muntz Jet.


38 posted on 09/08/2012 11:24:17 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it. - Ayn Rand)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Yeah, I would too.

I was going to a boarding school in South Carolina at the time. She was taking me back to school after a weekend at home when a South Carolina state patrol lit her up. She knew there was a 5 way intersection a few miles ahead and the road had gentle hills that cut down the trooper’s line of sight. She told me, “Watch this”, and floored the 442. I watched her bury the needle on the 125 mph speedo and leave it there until we reached the intersection. She braked hard and took the turn to the school then punched it again. When she was sure the trooper was no longer behind us she brought it back to around 70. I looked at her and said, “You’re crazy”. She replied, “But it was fun”. After I could I always insisted I drive when we were in a car together.


39 posted on 09/09/2012 4:24:49 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: djone

I’ve heard both it was 2 doors and it was dual exhaust. I don’t know which was true. It actually didn’t have dual exhausts. It had dual exhaust tips. A single exhaust went back from the engine and split into two just before the rear axle. It still sounded pretty good though.


40 posted on 09/09/2012 4:35:44 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: djone

My first 8-track was Deep Purple, “Machine Head” IIRC. Got it from my mom. She had bought it thinking that it was a song “Deep Purple” from back in her day.

I wasn’t there when she first popped it into her car player, and in retrospect, that was probably a good thing. But I imagine the look on her face would have been priceless.


41 posted on 09/09/2012 4:46:21 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Loud Mime
Initially it was 4 speed, 4 bbl, 2 exhausts.
Later, as automatics became more accepted, it was 400 cubes, 4 bbl, 2 exhaust.
42 posted on 09/09/2012 7:13:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: djone
Madman Muntz pushes too many buttons in '58 Ford and it folds up into itself'

That's a '59 -- Skyliner.

43 posted on 09/09/2012 7:14:19 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Without economic freedom, no other form of freedom can have material meaning.)
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To: wjcsux

There was a 4 track tape player and tapes in the day room of the steamer Charles M. Beeghly.


44 posted on 09/09/2012 7:18:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: djone

45 posted on 09/09/2012 7:21:41 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Eye of Unk

That reminds me of friend of the family’s when I was growing up who stayed at our house one night. He was bragging about the 8 track in his car that he had bought hot from some friend of his. In the morning, when we went out to his car to check it out, we found out it had been re-stolen!
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“Damn!” he said. “Nobody can’t have nothin’ nice these days without some a**hole ripping him off!”


46 posted on 09/09/2012 7:44:23 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: MtBaldy

LOL. That sounds like quite the ride. Moms can be crazy. My mom had a 64 Mercury Marauder which was a befitting name. Everywhere she went was at 80+ mph. One hand on the steering wheel. I don’t recall if it had seat belts but if it did they were never used. If she ever had to get on the brakes she would reach across the seat to brace you so you didn’t slam into the windshield. Safety first !


47 posted on 09/09/2012 9:18:42 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Mears
Those 1060 Rollses really last a long time. Great engineering.

Remember what William the Conqueror said... "Post in haste, repent in Hastings".

48 posted on 09/09/2012 9:30:56 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: Mears

How about a 1960’s Rolls...

(Phat Phingers...) :(


49 posted on 09/09/2012 4:03:58 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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