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Wells Fargo Mistakenly Cleans Out Retired Couple's Home Twice
Yahoo! ^ | September 7, 2012 | Susanna Kim

Posted on 09/09/2012 5:03:09 AM PDT by Altariel

Alvin and Pat Tjosaas, a retired couple in Woodland Hills, Calif., had the bad luck of having their home mistaken for a neighboring foreclosed home and being cleared by contractors hired by Wells Fargo -- not once but twice.

The Tjosaas' home before contractors mistakenly cleared it. (Courtesy Pat Tjosaas)

A retired bricklayer, Alvin Tjosaas, 77, was the caretaker of his late parents' two-bedroom home in Twentynine Palms, about 200 miles east of his home in Woodland Hills, north of Los Angeles. He is a part owner of the home with his sisters.

Alvin Tjosaas visited the home every four to five months, he said, for maintenance and to work on hobbies in the garage.

"He just loves it up there," Pat Tjosaas, 75, said. "He was in the process of getting ready to re-plumb the house, so he had lots of his tools up there – just a garage full of tools that any man would die for."

But on June 1, a neighbor in Twentynine Palms called the Tjosaas family, asking if they had authorized people to clear out their home.

"We assumed it was a break-in and, really, it was a break-in," Tjosaas said. "They weren't legally supposed to be there."

Tom Goyda, vice president of corporate communications for Wells Fargo Home Mortgage, told ABC News the company had foreclosed appropriately on another property near the Tjosaas house and the error was made when a contractor mistakenly went to the Tjosaas house instead of the correct house.

The Tjosaas home had actually never had a mortgage or lien on it because it was paid for in cash as it was being built about 50 years ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: wellsfargo

1 posted on 09/09/2012 5:03:17 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

I think someone was in the know on the tools and such, and I am sure they didn’t go to a landfill. Come on, it’s Wells Fargo and they did it twice. Right.


2 posted on 09/09/2012 5:09:40 AM PDT by healy61
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To: Altariel

Once is a mistake, twice is a pattern. I think the homeowner has earned the fight to clean out a bank.


3 posted on 09/09/2012 5:17:00 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: healy61

This is the second time in a month I’ve read of Well’s Fargo “ mistakenly” going into a wrong address on a forclosure.

Unreal!!


4 posted on 09/09/2012 5:18:11 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: muir_redwoods

Except, the banks are insolvent, “cleaning them out” would mean assuming derivative exposure on worthless MBS.


5 posted on 09/09/2012 5:20:53 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: pollywog

Wells is beyond arrogant.
Do business with them and you’ll see.


6 posted on 09/09/2012 5:22:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: muir_redwoods

The mistake was the contractor’s. So it sounds like the contractor is the one that likes to take other people’s stuff “mistakenly”.


7 posted on 09/09/2012 5:23:58 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Freedom4US

As I recall the banks having been forced into derivatives by government wisely sold them to the perhaps eager Wall Street Brokerages, who resold them world wide.


8 posted on 09/09/2012 5:35:48 AM PDT by wita
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To: Altariel

Wells Fargo Bank N.A. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Wells Fargo & Company (NYSE: WFC) which is headquartered in (surprise) San Francisco, CA. Not to cast aspersions, but it is a major corporate contributor to various California politicos (usual suspects!) It is the 4th largest bank in the US following Bank of America, Citigroup and JP Morgan Chase, but ranks 2nd in deposits, home mortgage servicing, and debit cards. A charter member of the “Too Big to Fail” club.

Reading the full article, somebody has great difficulty reading maps and/or coordinates. The second break-in was by a second contractor to WF Bank 3 months after the first instance and after these homeowners were already in contact with Wells Fargo.

FYI: This Yahoo story from Friday 09/07 already has 1347 comments! Most are obviously antagonistic towards the bank, but some even manage to attack Romney. If he gets elected I predict 4 years of RDS (do I need to spell it out?)


9 posted on 09/09/2012 5:36:47 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: visualops

You need to read the story. Wells Fargo sent two DIFFERENT contractors to their home. Apparently, WF gave both contractors the Tjosaas’ address and a satellite image of their home.


10 posted on 09/09/2012 5:37:03 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yup. I will never do business with them again. Last year, they reduced my line of credit by 2/3 even though my FICO is north of 800. So, I booted them to the curb and took my business to a credit union. Their credit department is full of condescending snarks, penny-wise and dollar stupid.


11 posted on 09/09/2012 5:38:12 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Freedom4US

Cleaning out a branchmight cover the homeowners costs. There usually is a bit if cash on hand; they typically give the chump bank robbers $2-3000 to go away do there’s likely lots more than that on hand.


12 posted on 09/09/2012 5:49:17 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: Altariel

We had a run-in with Wells Fargo earlier this year - they kept pussyfooting around with paperwork while in the background they were trying to build a foreclosure case.

btw - we’re all paid up - they were just playing games with our checks - putting them into “holding accounts” and the like.

I don’t trust them at ALL.


13 posted on 09/09/2012 5:52:53 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: visualops

The contractor is the banks agent. The owns the issue entirely. If the bank wants to go back and sue the contractor for the banks losses in this natter they can but the homeowner’s valid complaint is with the bank


14 posted on 09/09/2012 6:02:28 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: visualops
The mistake was the contractor’s. So it sounds like the contractor is the one that likes to take other people’s stuff “mistakenly”.

The contractor was an agent of Wells Fargo, operating under their authority. Wells Fargo and the contractor should be held jointly liable and severally liable. The result of doing so would be that (1) Wells Fargo would be more careful in what contractors they hire, and (2) contractors would make damn sure they were at the right house.

15 posted on 09/09/2012 6:02:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Altariel

He should count himself lucky that his neighbor didn’t have an outstanding warrant that might entail a visit from the DEA. No-knock raid in the middle of the night.


16 posted on 09/09/2012 6:14:36 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Altariel

Meet the new owners of Wells Fargo.


17 posted on 09/09/2012 6:17:00 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Altariel

I think were going to need to rewrite some lyrics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaT0s6Gx2FI

People:
O-ho the Wells Fargo Wagon is a-comin’ down the street,
Oh please let it be for me!
O-ho the Wells Fargo Wagon is a-comin’ down the street,
I wish, I wish I knew what it could be!

First Voice:
I got a box of maple sugar on my birthday.

Second Voice:
In March I got a gray mackinaw.

Third Voice:
And once I got some grapefruit from Tampa.

Fourth Voice:
Montgom’ry Ward sent me a bathtub and a cross-cut saw.

People:
O-ho the Wells Fargo Wagon is a-comin’ now
Is it a prepaid surprise or C.O.D.

Fifth Voice:
It could be curtains!

Sixth Voice:
Or dishes!

Seventh Voice:
Or a double boiler!

Eighth Voice:
Or it could be

People:
Yes, it could be
Yes, you’re right it surely could be

Eighth Voice:
Somethin’ special

People:
Somethin’ very, very special now
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/m/music_man/the_wells_fargo_wagon.html ]
Eighth Voice:
Just for me!

People:
O-ho the Wells Fargo Wagon is a-comin’ down the street.
Oh, don’t let him pass my door!
O-ho the Wells Fargo
Wagon is a-comin’ down the street
I wish I knew what he was comin’ for.

Ninth Voice:
I got some salmon from Seattle last September.

Tenth Voice:
And I expect a new rockin’ chair.

Eleventh Voice:
I hope I get my raisins from Fresno.

Quartet:
The D.A.R. have sent a cannon for the courthouse square.

Winthrop (lisp):
O-ho the Wellth Fargo Wagon ith a-comin’ now,
I don’t know how I can ever wait to thee.
It could be thumpin’ for thumone who is
No relation but it could be thump’n thpethul
Just for me!

People:
O-ho, you Wells Fargo Wagon keep a-comin’
O-ho, you Wells Fargo
Wagon, keep a-comin’.
O-ho you Wells Fargo Wagon, Don’t you dare Mae a stop
Until you stop for me!


18 posted on 09/09/2012 6:21:33 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: visualops

I believe Wells-Fargo is fully responsible for actions of its contractors, just as it would be for the actions of its employees. You can’t subcontract your dirty work to some guy and his brother-in-law who rent a U-haul and then wash your hands of responsibility. However, Wells-Fargo are entitled to try to recover from the contractor.

No jury will ever see this case. Wells-Fargo will make good the damages and then some.


19 posted on 09/09/2012 6:51:50 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Altariel

Can everyone take their tin hats off. This sounds like a rural gps mistake. Ten to one Garmin or tom tom sends you to this guys house when you put in the address. Its a clusterorgy to be sure, but probably not the result of Wells Fargo management wanting this guys antique wheel collection....


20 posted on 09/09/2012 7:05:22 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Altariel
Finally, the sheriff came and escorted the workers to the intended location, 10 acres away, she said.

How far is 10 acres? How many gallons is that?

21 posted on 09/09/2012 7:07:18 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
How far is 10 acres? How many gallons is that?

You expect reporters to be bright enough to understand the difference between complex geometrical concepts like distance and area? How silly of you!!

22 posted on 09/09/2012 7:30:00 AM PDT by fourth and three
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To: BykrBayb

Finally, the sheriff came and escorted the workers to the intended location, 10 acres away, she said.

How far is 10 acres? How many gallons is that?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It’s three stories, five football fields, and and Olympic-size swimming pool. Don’t you know anything?


23 posted on 09/09/2012 7:33:34 AM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: loungitude

Don’t forget two tomahawk throws.


24 posted on 09/09/2012 10:46:30 AM PDT by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: When do we get liberated?

This mistake is not a GPS mistake. GPS does not mandate that you enter a home to foreclose on it.

Let’s not make excuses for criminal behavior.


25 posted on 09/09/2012 2:23:37 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: BykrBayb
>How far is 10 acres?

Acres are a measure of area not distance so it depends upon the shape of the plot of land. A square containing 40 acres is 1/4 mile (1320 feet or 440 yards) on a side. Forty acres therefore contains 13202 square feet so a ten acre square is (13202/4).5 or 660 feet if you walked down the edge of the square, 933.38 feet if you walked the diagonal, corner to corner.

Regards,
GtG

26 posted on 09/09/2012 3:49:56 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

That’s all well and good, but how far is that in gallons?


27 posted on 09/09/2012 6:04:45 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
That’s all well and good, but how far is that in gallons?

About 3 cubic mouthfulls, give or take a few...

Regards,
GtG

PS A "CMF" is also referred to as a "Herman" in the more rigorous scientific circles. On a historical note, "CMF" was originally used as the primary standard when specifying bra cup size (one is not enough, three is too many).
G

28 posted on 09/09/2012 6:47:42 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

My experience with Wells Fargo has been absolutely horrible. Their people are all morons.


29 posted on 09/09/2012 6:50:11 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: Batman11
Wells has a St. Paul subsidiary that manages stock dividends from publicly traded utilities.

When we inherited some stock, Wells told us they wouldn't send the dividends to our bank because our account name was not exactly in my name (both my name and wife's name are on the account.)

It took a letter from our attorney to get them to see the light.

30 posted on 09/10/2012 5:38:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

I love Free Republic. I learn so much here!


31 posted on 09/10/2012 6:47:25 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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