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O.J. Simpson's lawyer TAMPERED with glove so it wouldn't fit his hand ..., claims prosecutor
Mail Online ^ | Sept 8, 2012 | By BETH STEBNER and REUTERS REPORTER

Posted on 09/09/2012 5:37:20 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Nearly seventeen years ago, former NFL star and actor O.J. Simpson was shockingly acquitted of murdering his ex-wife and her friend.

But now a district attorney at the centre of the case has alleged that Simpson’s lead defence lawyer tampered with a crucial piece of evidence – one of the infamous gloves that prosecutors said linked Simpson to the grisly double-murder of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman.

After The Juice struggled to fit the gloves on his hands – in one of the defining moments of the racially charged trial that captivated the nation – Cochran famously admonished the jury: 'If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.'

Former Los Angeles deputy district attorney Christopher Darden on Thursday accused Simpson defence lawyer, the late Johnnie Cochran, of 'manipulating' the glove, Reuters reported.

New allegations: Prosecutor Christopher Darden, pictured at the 1995 trial, now alleges that Simpson's lead defence attorney tampered with the leather gloves

On Thursday, during a panel discussion about the trial at Pace Law School in New York City, Darden, a member of the prosecution team, declared: 'I think Johnnie tore the lining.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 09/09/2012 5:37:26 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I tend to agree with Dershowitz that Cochran would not have had unsupervised access to the glove.


2 posted on 09/09/2012 5:41:54 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Uncle Chip

I don’t think the prosecution allowing OJ to try the evidence gloves on while wearing Latex gloves helped. Stupid.


3 posted on 09/09/2012 5:43:33 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: Uncle Chip

Idiots.

LEATHER gloves shrink when they get wet, and OJ’s were covered with blood.

And, any smart attorney knows to never ask a question if you don’t know the answer. They hadn’t tried the gloves on OJ, so they didn’t know the answer.


4 posted on 09/09/2012 5:44:35 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Uncle Chip

1) I think OJ was guilty
2) I think the prosecution was embarrassingly incompetent


5 posted on 09/09/2012 5:45:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: Joe Marine 76

you have to hand it to OJ.


6 posted on 09/09/2012 5:45:30 AM PDT by brivette
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree with you, but this trial was decided at the jury selection stage.


7 posted on 09/09/2012 5:46:36 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Mrs.Z

Exactly.

If that jury hadn’t been full of fools, they would have figured that out too!


8 posted on 09/09/2012 5:47:00 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: Uncle Chip

Oh that’s rich...

The Prosecution’s case was that the same Detective found one glove at the crime scene, then the same detective lept the wall to the Simpson house and immediately found the other glove in the backyard, before anybody else could come in the front gate... At night... In the dark...

And they accuse the defense of tampering with this glove...


9 posted on 09/09/2012 5:47:00 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
That entire case was decided during the riots over the 1st Rodney King verdict.
10 posted on 09/09/2012 5:50:55 AM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Bacon


11 posted on 09/09/2012 5:51:01 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: Uncle Chip

,,, let’s first remember what the crime scene collector ( Mr. Fung ) said . Items that were collected which were blood soaked or contained moist blood were first put in a convection dryer to dry and stabilize the sample collected .

What happens to wet or moist leather when put in a convection dryer ??? It shrinks ,,,,,, I REST MY CASE .

Chris Dardin was an idiot to ask 0J to preform this test because one could visibily see the gloves were too small to fit 0J Simpleton’s hand especially when combined with the rubber glove 0J Simpleton put on first .


12 posted on 09/09/2012 5:58:41 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Former Proud Canadian
2) I think the prosecution was embarrassingly incompetent

I agree with both of you but there are ways to do this without tampering with the gloves. There are drugs that retain water that cause soft tissues to swell and there are topical applications that cause things to stick and appear to not fit.

Yet as Former Proud Canadian says, this was at least half decided in the jury selection. The jury was looking for any excuse to free the 'black hero' and this served its purpose. Of course, Judge Ito-bitsy did not help things at all. What a circus from the car chase to OJ's never-ending search for the real criminals on every golf course in America. I wonder if he will resume the search when he gets out of jail for that Las Vegas robbery?

13 posted on 09/09/2012 6:00:03 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Take heart! Johnnie Cochran is rotting in hell. Guaranteed.


14 posted on 09/09/2012 6:00:11 AM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: Uncle Chip

Pouring a thin stream of glue into the seams of the glove would have caused the fingers to stick together as they clearly did when O J tried it on.


15 posted on 09/09/2012 6:02:10 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Uncle Chip

Since I had young children at the time of the trial, I couldn’t help but note that OJ was holding his hand like a 3 year old, trying to get the glove on while holding his fingers mostly apart. That’s what kids do, when they either don’t know how to get their winter things on yet, or just plain don’t want to wear them...

With that, and the natural leather shrinkage from the blood, of course he “couldn’t” get his hand in it. Cochran didn’t even need to tamper with it.


16 posted on 09/09/2012 6:07:04 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: brivette

Nyuk, nyuk!


17 posted on 09/09/2012 6:09:28 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: Joe Marine 76

Absolutely.

I’m in a line of work where I have to wear waterproof gloves (for chemical and pathogen protection) under some type of work glove (for protection against physical injury, sharps, etc.)

The “rubber” gloves not only take up some physical room, they “stick” to the leather or canvas. The work gloves generally need to be a size larger.

That said, had the prosecution not been idiots they could have obtained an identical pair of new gloves of the same size and had him try them on. Case closed.

Not that it would have made any difference. As others have said, the case was settled in jury selection.

One of the most disappointing events of my life was his acquittal. Right up to the announcement I assumed the black jury would do the right thing, just as I would have in a case where a white man murdered two black people. My heart just sunk. Disappointment greatly incrfeased by the celebratory atmosphere among the melanin-enhanced population.

Recently finished a novel set in the UK legal system. Their jury selection is random via computer. Seating a jury takes minutes versus weeks or months. And neither side can play games with trying to stack the jury.

I sincerely wish we have such a system here.


18 posted on 09/09/2012 6:12:28 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: mom4melody

Actually the prosecution brought in a rep form Arris the company that made the glove. He testified that the glove would have shrunk because of the blood. Also evidence was presented (Bloomingdale receipt) showing that the victim bought her husband those gloves, There were only 1200 made. The gloves in evidence were the same size as on the receipt. Of the 1200 fur=lined gloves very few would have been floating around warm southern California.
The jury chose to ignore facts. Or were too stupid to follow the case.


19 posted on 09/09/2012 6:16:38 AM PDT by all the best (`~!)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Yup, that was my take at the time. He was obviously trying to make it look like it wouldn’t fit. If the glove was tight fitting to begin with and had shrunk even a little, this would have been easily. Its also possible that OJ had taken something to swell the size of his hand.

The whole glove incident was stupid, but I don’t think it made a big difference either way. The evidence was clearly against OJ, especially the DNA evidence. Everyone knew he was guilty. The jury just didn’t want to convict a celebrity Black man of kiling two white people. Its that simple.


20 posted on 09/09/2012 6:17:05 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Lionheartusa1
Chris Dardin was an idiot to ask 0J to preform this test because one could visibily see the gloves were too small to fit 0J Simpleton’s hand especially when combined with the rubber glove 0J Simpleton put on first .

Not to mention that Simpson also had "acting" as part of his resume. Remember his exasperated looks, his pointless gyrations with his hands as he "struggled" to get the glove on. Of course he wasn't going to make it look easy. He had a sympathetic jury and knew that he could manipulate it.

21 posted on 09/09/2012 6:19:33 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Uncle Chip

When OJ arrived in Chicago the morning after the crime, he had cuts on his hand he claimed came from a water glass. I’ll bet if they did a DNA test on the glove they would have found OJ’s DNA besides the victims.


22 posted on 09/09/2012 6:22:11 AM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But it's going to get a lot Tougher if you vote for Obama in Nov.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Good points.

What was sad was that for all those previous years OJ was no part of the black community. White wife, white friends, the whole white life.

The “jury nullification” of the predominately black jury saved his black ass.

The verdict was disgusting and I became physically ill watching his face as he knew he got off and was evading justice.


23 posted on 09/09/2012 6:41:47 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: Uncle Chip

Didn’t matter if the glove fit or not. That jury was not going to send their beloved OJ to prison.


24 posted on 09/09/2012 6:55:29 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

OJ got off because he was rich, black and famous.

Take away any one of the three and he would have been convicted.


25 posted on 09/09/2012 7:11:21 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Uncle Chip

More likely Simpson did exercises to build up his hand muscles or gorged on salt to make his fingers swell. He certainly had enough time to exercise and make them bigger.


26 posted on 09/09/2012 7:18:48 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Uncle Chip

So Darden, is busy boffin’ Marcia Clarke....loses an important case and then blames someone who is dead and can’t defend himself....classy.

now dont get me wrong....OJ is guilty and the trial was badly mishandled from day one...

but dont make up BS. a glove covered in blood shrinks and hardens making it difficult to put on...and they should never have permitted the trying on the glove in court for that reason alone....

Jackie Chiles could have done a better job with a bra, than Darden and Clarke


27 posted on 09/09/2012 7:23:17 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, yeah...
Otherwise he would have had to come up with a different “poem”.

How ‘bout:

“If da glove done fit
he guilty as sh*t”

bad LTOS! Bad BAD! :-)


28 posted on 09/09/2012 7:23:46 AM PDT by left that other site (Dear Father In Heaven,<br> How Hallowed is Your Most WWorry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: BillyBonebrake
Take heart! Johnnie Cochran is rotting in hell. Guaranteed.

how judgmental of you

Matthew 7:1 “judge not lest you be judged”.

29 posted on 09/09/2012 7:30:57 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Haiku Guy

It was summer in LA,the detective was wearing light tan slacks and a light blue shirt. I suppose he transported a “bloody’ glove from one place to another, OJ’s Home, within an hour without having a mess of blood ‘on his hands”.. Did he wipe his hands on his pants or shirt? Did he previously know who’s glove it was? Did he consider that the blood may have been from an HIV person? OJ’s blood was in her house and her blood was in his house. I suppose the detective also transported some of each of theirs blood in a vile, all this while the crime scene was full of cops, uniform and detective, large lights lighting the scene and swarms of reporters around the area. Right, OJ was framed


30 posted on 09/09/2012 7:38:06 AM PDT by capt B
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To: Uncle Chip

I have tried to put a normal glove on over a rubber glove in situations where I needed both chemical protection and physical protection.

Guess what? The rubber glove makes it very difficult to put on the normal glove. Try for several minutes hard.

The real idiocy is that the prosecutor never tried this at home before suggesting the test.


31 posted on 09/09/2012 7:44:43 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Joe Marine 76

That is the crux of the no fit scam. I was wondering why they thought a glove over a glove was any proof of fit. The whole scenario smacked of inexcusable stupidity or complicity.


32 posted on 09/09/2012 7:48:52 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Uncle Chip
I'll never forget the look of relief on OJ's face when he tried on the glove......and it didn't fit!
33 posted on 09/09/2012 7:50:31 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Uncle Chip

34 posted on 09/09/2012 7:50:50 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Uncle Chip

Hmmm... F. Lee Bailey is still alive I think. According to the article they think he’s deceased.


35 posted on 09/09/2012 8:03:02 AM PDT by jimb0ne
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To: Uncle Chip

Chris:
You have to be the dumbest prosecutor ever and dumber than a barely passing the bar public defender.

You allowed crap into the trial that should have never been in the trial or severley limited.

And now you have this, and I don’t “specious” claim is the right word, but you do have something that greater than that as your excuse for losing.

There are strict rules when handling evidence and no way, I say “No Effing Way” the defense handled the glove in a way that was inconsistent with handling of evidence and that it was very much observed by the chain of command to ensure there would be no tampering the evidence.

I am nearly tempted to post the “You have got to be the stoopitest person ever” post but, I reserve that for lame opus’ and irrefutable idiots who make me wonder how they got this far in life without drowning in the shower...as do you.

You are a hack bottom line and beyond incompetent.

Thankfully OJ is in a jail for his arrogance. Yeah, I get it was his stuff but whatever it took to have serve some jail time then fine.

Now, go skulk off to wherever losers try to get their lattes the right color and never let us hear from you again.

Chump.


36 posted on 09/09/2012 8:08:38 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Toast...Burnt Toast...


37 posted on 09/09/2012 8:10:05 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Lionheartusa1

Even if the gloves had fit perfectly, it would be easy to hold your fingers in a way that would make it look like it didn’t fit. But handing a dried up leather glove to OJ was gross incompetence. My work gloves fit me fine after a few minutes, but the drying after getting sweaty means they are hard to put on. You can be darn sure that if I was on trial for murder, and I put latex gloves on first, I would make it look like it was impossible for me to wear them.

The OJ prosecutors were painfully stupid, and Dardin may have been the worst. And yes, I read his book...


38 posted on 09/09/2012 8:12:57 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree with #2, but would change #1 to read OJ’s son, not the juice. Do you know if OJ’s son’s chef knives which were carried ina sheath were ever tested? ... Thast’s right, they never were.


39 posted on 09/09/2012 8:16:08 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Maybe so but she was a chump to attempt a demonstration at trial.

Even the rookie litigators know bettter than that.


40 posted on 09/09/2012 8:18:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Vendome
Toast...Burnt Toast...

No, seriously, instead of replying with a "bump", I replied with "Bacon". Afterall, would you rather have a bump or have Bacon? ...no-brainer. I'll skip the burnt toast though.

41 posted on 09/09/2012 8:18:25 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: capt B

Did I say that OJ was innocent?

All I was saying is that the way the second glove was found was too cute. IMHO, the police tried to improve an already strong case by relocating evidence, and in so doing introduced reasonable doubt and lost what should have been a slam-dunk.


42 posted on 09/09/2012 8:21:30 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I don’t know if he’s guilty or not. I’ve been to the condo, it’s a very small space, and it’s very hard to imagine that lummox being able to pull that off. But who knows.

On point two, I completely agree.


43 posted on 09/09/2012 8:30:16 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Sherman Logan
"Recently finished a novel set in the UK legal system. Their jury selection is random via computer. Seating a jury takes minutes versus weeks or months. And neither side can play games with trying to stack the jury."

My understanding is there's a cooperation in a search for truth. While here it's become primarily about excluding as much evidence as possible and winning.

44 posted on 09/09/2012 8:37:32 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Mr Rogers
During the civil trial I called the Goldman's Attorneys office and explained how there was a blood transfer through 3 surface of 0J Simpleton's sox . 0J’s lawyers claimed it was proof the evidence was tampered with . They said sock being worn could not transfer to blood the 3rd surface . I reminded the Goldman's Atty’s. the sox were on the floor at the foot of Simpleton's bed ,,, he simply stepped on the sox after they were removed and thus the transfer was made then . Goldmans Lawyers used my observation to clear this matter up successfully . I also gave them my theory on the glove issue ,,,, and the rest is history .
45 posted on 09/09/2012 8:38:46 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Haiku Guy
And they accuse the defense of tampering with this glove...

I found that the small percentage of Americans who thought OJ was innocent (or that detectives "tampered" with the evidence) seemed to be most blacks, both male and female, or macho, macho white men (who may have been able to convince their wives/family members of the same).

46 posted on 09/09/2012 9:03:47 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Uncle Chip

The glove could have, well, fit like a glove, and he still would have gotten off.


47 posted on 09/09/2012 9:16:35 AM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!

Crisped, even a little.burned.... a few of em.

Gotta go.

Headed to.the.Giant.Artichoke.for. arichokes...ho boy! Can’t wait!


48 posted on 09/09/2012 10:58:16 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Haiku Guy

No way police are picking up a blood soaked glove (carried how?) and “planting” it at another location, ESPECIALLY at the home of one as famous as Simpson. What would give them the idea that he was the killer?


49 posted on 09/09/2012 10:59:58 AM PDT by capt B
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Uncle Chip.


50 posted on 09/09/2012 8:08:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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