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Zimmerman defense looking for new clues on Trayvon
The Miami Herald ^ | Sept 10, 2012 | Frances Robles

Posted on 09/10/2012 5:14:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

George Zimmerman’s defense lawyers will subpoena Facebook, Twitter and Miami-Dade schools in a widespread pursuit of clues to suggest that Trayvon Martin could have thrown the first punch on the night he was killed, a sign that attorneys are going into attack mode in preparation for their case.

A series of notices were sent last week to Miami-Dade Schools Superintendent Alberto Carvalho and the principals of the schools Trayvon attended, advising that subpoenas for copies of the slain teen’s academic and attendance records would be issued in 10 days’ time.

Similar warnings are expected to be sent this week to the popular social networking sites where Trayvon maintained accounts, defense attorney   Mark O’Mara said.

Defense lawyers argue that if the defendant’s social media sites and school records were reviewed by prosecutors, it’s only fair game for Trayvon to undergo the same scrutiny. The move underscores a shift in the defense strategy,

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman

1 posted on 09/10/2012 5:14:26 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, they need to look at all his tweets that show extensive drug use, especially of dextromethorphan and how the latter produces changes in the brain and liver, how those changes were observed in his autopsy, and how the radical changes in behavior, especially violent behavior, associated with the abuse of this drug showed up in Trayvon shortly after he started using it as manifested by incidents at his school.


2 posted on 09/10/2012 5:20:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Uncle Chip
Anyone trying to understand how Barack Obama could possibly be in position to win reelection need go no further than to examine the procedural history of this case compared to the substantive facts and draw the obvious parallels.


3 posted on 09/10/2012 5:22:23 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Uncle Chip

OOOOOOOhhhhhh, they will say how terrible, the defense is trying to put the sainted victim on trial.

Well, who turned Trayvon into a saint? An innocent young child, almost? HMMMMMM?

They did.

They didn’t care about the truth, did they?

The record does not bear them out...


4 posted on 09/10/2012 5:26:53 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Uncle Chip
Zimmerman claims he killed the unarmed Miami Gardens teenager in an act of self defense. The Sanford Police said the evidence supported his story, but the public outcry that ensued after the Feb. 26 attack led to a special prosecutor and a charge that most legal experts say went overboard.

I'm shocked that the Miami Herald actually printed this. Pleased, but shocked.

5 posted on 09/10/2012 5:26:53 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin

Good quote. Surprised it made the editing cut.


6 posted on 09/10/2012 5:29:58 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Beach_Babe
He [Former Miami Dade Prosecutor David Waksman] said O’Mara will probably make posters “as large as the courthouse walls” from Trayvon’s more menacing Twitter photo, which showed him with a white sleeveless T-shirt and gold grills over his teeth.

Hhhhhmmmmmmmm -- now you were saying????

7 posted on 09/10/2012 5:34:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip; Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge

Local gun dealers are watching this case with interest.

The first target is the Stand Your Ground law.

The next target is the Castle Doctrine.

The ultimate target is the Second Amendment.

And that’s all there ever is, or was, to the Zimmerman Trial.


8 posted on 09/10/2012 5:36:34 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: aruanan

I had to look it up - I had no idea that people used dextromethorphan “recreationally.” But that would certainly account for St Trayvon’s behavior.


9 posted on 09/10/2012 5:41:01 AM PDT by livius
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To: Uncle Chip

Actually, if one follows the stories from just before this became big news, the girl he was talking to on the phone said (and I paraphrase):

He said he was being followed.
She said that he should run.
He said, no, I’ll walk faster.
She said, it’s not worth it.
She heard him ask a guy why he was following him and then the phone was dropped in the shuffle.

If one compares this to Z’s statements, one can draw the conclusion that Martin confronted Z, and after Z answered, Martin dropped the phone and attacked him.

I’m applying other statements and evidence to come up with this theory (e.g. Martin’s background)

BTW, it is assumed the girl was his girlfriend, but apparently that is not true. She was just a girl he knew. If you follow her follow up response to his call you’ll get the feeling it was not a big deal to her.


10 posted on 09/10/2012 5:51:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Uncle Chip
It takes a while, but these Kangaroo Court type of railroad jobs usually fall apart under scrutiny.

Judge Lester has already been bounced by an appeals court order, and the defense is still receiving funds that will, (used for investigation), "uncover" a load of crap about the violent criminal druggie, Saint Treyvon.

This will likely end up like the Duke rape case, except Saint Teryvon won't go on to murder someone and suck millions more in taxpayer money down the diversity hole.

11 posted on 09/10/2012 5:51:53 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Uh, shouldn’t all of this info been obtained already? I’d say bad on ya to the defense. He/they should have been collecting all of this from the day he/they were hired. But, hopefully it will never come to trial (slim chance of that) and all of this info will never be used anyway.

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12 posted on 09/10/2012 5:52:19 AM PDT by rktman
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To: nathanbedford

Anyone trying to understand how Barack Obama could possibly be in position to win reelection need go no further than to examine the procedural history of this case compared to the substantive facts and draw the obvious parallels.


Actually, that is very well stated and gets to the core, I believe, of why this case is so controversial.


13 posted on 09/10/2012 5:54:00 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Things I've read/heard....suspended from school several times,once for drugs and once for being in possession of a large quantity of women's jewelry;screen name on Facebook was "no limits nigga";posts on Facebook that were something like "f**k some b**ch".

If *all* those things are,in fact,true and accurate they paint a clear picture a filthy,worthless punk and career criminal in the making,one who's *absolutely* capable of throwing the first,the second *and* the third punch.Even if only one or two of them are accurate it paints a picture of a kid with an attitude.

14 posted on 09/10/2012 5:58:59 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Uncle Chip

If I'm on the jury this picture *alone*,while it doesn't *prove* self defense to me,strongly suggests it.A real possibility of self defense equals reasonable doubt equals *NOT GUILTY*!

15 posted on 09/10/2012 6:07:27 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The FBI investigated this case. Surely the have information on Trayvon they are eager to share. /s


16 posted on 09/10/2012 6:24:13 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Gadsden1st
The FBI investigated this case. Surely the have information on Trayvon they are eager to share. /s

Do Federal prosecutors and/or the FBI have a legal obligation to share info they have in a particular matter with defense lawyers in a *state* trial? I'm no lawyer but my hunch is "no".

17 posted on 09/10/2012 6:28:50 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

(zimmerman’s bleeding, lacerated head)

I took a bad spill on my mountain bike a week ago. I had a divit in my right forearm below the elbow that looked about as bad. Bled like what is shown in the photo. It was a hard fall. Zimmerman had two such injuries. Martin was trying to bash his head in — unprovoked and murderous.


18 posted on 09/10/2012 6:31:41 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Uncle Chip
...subpoenas for copies of the slain teen’s academic and attendance records would be issued in 10 days’ time.

Plenty of time to sanitize the records.

How dumb can these people be to telegraph such a move?!

19 posted on 09/10/2012 6:32:31 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: nonsporting
Martin was trying to bash his head in — unprovoked and murderous.

That's a distinct possibility.Of course the question could be asked "did he try to bash Zimmerman's head in simply because Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon was scared?" We don't know that for sure...at least *I* don't.That's why exposing the kid's past is key.If he was an honor roll student,no trouble with the police,no evidence of booze or drug use,no gang activity then that wouldn't bode well for Zimmerman.If he was the opposite (which seems distinctly possible) then that bodes very well for Zimmerman.But if the prosecution's gonna make Zimmerman's past an issue the defense can *certainly* do the same with the kid.

20 posted on 09/10/2012 6:40:33 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Uncle Chip
The fact that he was an MMA freak pretty much assures that he threw the first punch.

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21 posted on 09/10/2012 6:42:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: philman_36
Plenty of time to sanitize the records.

Very true...but tampering with evidence in a murder trial is a serious matter.And given that this will probably wind up in the Federal courts as well that raises the stakes even higher for anyone who might try to "sanitize".

22 posted on 09/10/2012 6:43:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Uncle Chip

No limit was part of Trayvon’s twitter handle.... No limit is a popular MMA sponsor... Perfect fit for the original witness story that Trayvon was throwing MMA style blows prior to being shot.


23 posted on 09/10/2012 6:46:56 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: livius

Look up purple “drank” or “lean”

Skittles and Arizona watermelon juice two key ingredients


24 posted on 09/10/2012 6:50:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Uncle Chip

I believe Zimmerman when he said that his gun stayed in the holster until Martin found it, tried to grab it and threatened to kill him with it.

Zimmerman didn’t pull the gun on Martin while he was getting his head pounded into the concrete as self defense. But he would have had every right to do it.

I just hope that the jurors take their jobs seriously and don’t show up with an agenda.


25 posted on 09/10/2012 6:54:48 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Gay State Conservative

If someone has a weapon, I do one of three things: (1) create distance between me and the weapon; (2) find cover (if a gun); or, (3) control the weapon. I DO NOT IGNORE the weapon/weapon arm. I do not take him down to the ground to bash his head in, unless I am fighting with what I believe to be an unarmed man.

The most likely sceanrio that fits the data: Martin initiates the assault, takes zimmerman off his feet, bashes his head, the weapon is exposed (shirt rides up exposing the IWB carry position), both go for the weapon ( or zimmerman thinks martin will now go for the weapon having seen it), a struggle for the weapon ensues, the winning operator with his hand on the grip fires.


26 posted on 09/10/2012 6:56:41 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: rwilson99
No limit was part of Trayvon’s twitter handle....

I thought it was No Limit MF'er.

27 posted on 09/10/2012 6:57:41 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: philman_36
Too late to sanitze!


28 posted on 09/10/2012 7:02:36 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: silverleaf

Yipes. I just looked it up.

I guess I must live a sheltered life...maybe it’s because I’m not a “Southern black rapper,” who, according to the article, are the leading consumers of this stuff.

I’ve always wondered about the skittles and Arizona iced tea part of the story, because those really aren’t things you’d walk several blocks at night to buy if you were just hungry or thirsty. But if he was taking them back to whip up a little concoction for himself, that would make sense.


29 posted on 09/10/2012 7:25:47 AM PDT by livius
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Do Federal prosecutors and/or the FBI have a legal obligation to share info they have in a particular matter with defense lawyers in a *state* trial?”

With limited exceptions, yes.


30 posted on 09/10/2012 7:47:13 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: silverleaf

The active ingredient is prescription Robitussin, and one of the recommended methods of obtaining it is to “look through medicine cabinets”.

What I suspect is that someone at Trayvon’s father’s girlfriend’s house had a prescription that was left in a medicine cabinet and which Trayvon found fight before his trip to the store. The defense should try to pursue medical records of anyone who lived in that house for the past few years. Whether they can get search warrants is a good question.


31 posted on 09/10/2012 9:35:54 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Uncle Chip

32 posted on 09/10/2012 9:56:34 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Uncle Chip

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33 posted on 09/10/2012 6:36:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: livius
I had to look it up - I had no idea that people used dextromethorphan “recreationally.” But that would certainly account for St Trayvon’s behavior.

There was a link in an earlier thread to an extensive discussion of this. I'll try to find it. Wait a sec. Here you go The Conservative Treehouse.
34 posted on 09/11/2012 8:03:08 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Pretty amazing. I’m surprised this didn’t come out earlier when it was found that he was carrying watermelon ice tea and skittles, which seem to be 2/3 of the ingredients for this stuff.

Now that I know what to look for, I’ve seen that it’s all over the internet and is pretty wide-spread in the rapper-thug “community.” I should think that most of the cops would have known about it. But perhaps they weren’t allowed to say anything.


35 posted on 09/11/2012 8:39:17 AM PDT by livius
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