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With Senate at stake, GOP waits on Akinís next move, McCaskill goes on offense
The Washington Post ^ | September 9, 2012 | Rosalind S. Helderman and Jason Horowitz

Posted on 09/10/2012 9:05:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

MARYVILLE, Mo. — Three weeks after Republican Rep. Todd Akin upended the national political landscape by claiming that pregnancies rarely result from “legitimate rape,” the race for Senate in this increasingly conservative state — and in many ways the battle for control of Congress’s upper chamber — has settled into a waiting game.

A Sept. 25 deadline looms. That’s the last day Akin can petition Missouri courts to remove his name from the ballot — and comply with the near-universal calls from party leaders who think his comments have made unwinnable a seat they need for an easier path to a Senate majority.

Akin’s opponent, Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, is waiting, too — hoping that Akin remains in the race but knowing that even if he does, reelection to the Senate is far from secure in a state that has turned sharply against President Obama.

In the balance could lie the Senate.

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1 posted on 09/10/2012 9:05:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I wasn’t paying attention at the time. Somebody, what did he mean by “legitimate rape”?


2 posted on 09/10/2012 9:10:15 AM PDT by all the best (`~!)
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To: Uncle Chip

CONpost doing a lot of wishful thinking along with McCaskill.


3 posted on 09/10/2012 9:11:09 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Uncle Chip
I recall reading somewheres that the judge that would have to rule on Akin's petition, if he were in fact to make one to have himslef removed from the ballot, is a reliable democrat hack.

Anyone know?

4 posted on 09/10/2012 9:14:28 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Uncle Chip

He misspoke and corrected himself, no big deal.

I am thinking we might have time to replace Romney on the ballot now that he has flip flopped on repealing Obamacare.


5 posted on 09/10/2012 9:20:38 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: all the best

Probably the same as Whoopi’s “Rape-rape”


6 posted on 09/10/2012 9:21:16 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: all the best
He meant violent non consensual rape. Non legitimate rape is claimed after the fact to receive an abortion, statutory rape where there was consent and no violence- just an age difference where the law determins that consent is not valid, and date rape where the participants were consenting at the time, but not when sobered up.
7 posted on 09/10/2012 9:24:09 AM PDT by muskah
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To: Uncle Chip

Interesting. So now the Obama media is the only place still calling for his removal.

It seems to me that he was elected and should not be replaced without having committed some sort of crime or action involving moral turpitude. He made a statement that he thought was scientifically-based, and when it turned out not to be the case he apologized within a day. As far as I am concerned, case closed.


8 posted on 09/10/2012 9:24:18 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: GeronL

“He misspoke and corrected himself, no big deal.”

The problem now is Akin’s lack of money. I’m beginning to see McCaskill ads now, but nothing from Akin, no TV no radio and no mailings.
Obviously there is no compensatory funding to replace GOP denied funds, and since the GOP has said in no uncertain terms they will never give him money, I don’t see any one else stepping up. So most likely this seat is lost unless Akin steps aside.


9 posted on 09/10/2012 9:24:18 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: ken5050

That would be Robyn Carnahan, Secretary of State, a rabid Democratic hack, who can and would oppose and tie up in court any petition to withdraw from the race.


10 posted on 09/10/2012 9:25:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: WILLIALAL

Akin is too conservative, the RNC has gone full RINO. I would never give a penny to the RNC.

He should not drop out.


11 posted on 09/10/2012 9:27:28 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Uncle Chip

“That would be Robyn Carnahan, Secretary of State, a rabid Democratic hack, who can and would oppose and tie up in court any petition to withdraw from the race.’

She may try, but the political pressure on her let the process continue would be intense. She may drag her feet for a short time, but the McCaskill campaign would quickly push her aside, as they don’t want the image of McCaskill’s party trying to suppress an election.


12 posted on 09/10/2012 9:28:20 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: all the best

Rape that was truly rape, and not an after the fact excuse to get/justify an abortion. That is, if you take the context of what he has been saying in the House for over a decade. He really screwed up this answer.


13 posted on 09/10/2012 9:30:07 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: ken5050

The judge is all but required to grant the petition, if you look at Missouri election law.


14 posted on 09/10/2012 9:31:57 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: WILLIALAL
and since the GOP has said in no uncertain terms they will never give him money, I don’t see any one else stepping up. So most likely this seat is lost unless Akin steps aside.

Naaaah -- the GOPe will have egg all over its face if it let's this win slip through their fingers because of the misspeaking of Reince Priebus.

He can still apologize and we will all accept it, and then he can send all the money he wants without objection.

Missouri Republicans are very forgiving people.

15 posted on 09/10/2012 9:32:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: GeronL

“He should not drop out.”

Its not a question of should he or shouldn’t he, that was an argument for a month ago. The issue now is money, and he has none and apparently will not be getting any, not enough anyway.
At this time he should be deeply into funding county organizations and that takes money and people, lots of people. If you can’t pay and expand your staff, they leave or never sign up.
The state GOP also has cut off his funding, along with the national GOP.
What are his fund raising streams? who are his big contributors?

This was the GOP’s strategy all along starve him of money to force him out by the 25th.


16 posted on 09/10/2012 9:33:47 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Uncle Chip

Forget Akin. He could be behind by 40 pts, but his hardheadedness prevents him from doing the right thing and dropping from the race. The realistic window of opportunity has closed anyway, 25 Sept deadline or no, so he may as well go through the motions.


17 posted on 09/10/2012 9:34:35 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: WILLIALAL

Grassroots supporters have to send money to Akin, and let the party know that they are reducing or eliminating contributions to the party in order to make sure that he is adequately financed.

What kind of a stupid party would put its ability to take the Senate at such substantial risk based on a statement of fact that was corrected within 24 hours after it was made?


18 posted on 09/10/2012 9:34:42 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Missouri Republicans are very forgiving people.”

The lines have been drawn on this, the only person with the ability to change the dynamics is Akin. As they say the ball is in his court.
For the GOP to back down now would open the up the issue nationwide as every GOP candidate will be have to explain why their party supports Akin’s views.
They are not going down that road.


19 posted on 09/10/2012 9:37:09 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: WILLIALAL

He should not drop out

The GOP has no qualms about funding some of the most liberal Republicans out there. The RINO’s are going all out and he should not reward them by dropping out.


20 posted on 09/10/2012 9:37:42 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ScottinVA

At what point does the hardheadedness of the GOPe become the problem??? Do they want to see him lose so badly that they are willing to lose the Senate???


21 posted on 09/10/2012 9:38:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Piranha

“Grassroots supporters have to send money to Akin,”

How much money do you think these grassroot supporters will be able to send? McCaskill has at least 12 million for her campaign, and now that it is winnable, the Dems will increase that amount, so she will be able to inundate the airwaves, organize a much better GOTV campaign.


22 posted on 09/10/2012 9:40:38 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Piranha
What kind of a stupid party would put its ability to take the Senate at such substantial risk based on a statement of fact that was corrected within 24 hours after it was made?

He apologized, but the damage was already done. There's no un-saying it. Like it or not, perception is reality in politics, and while democrats can get away with saying worse, the bar is higher for Republicans to avoid the "anti-woman" label. It's not fair, but every Republican should know that going in.

23 posted on 09/10/2012 9:40:38 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: ScottinVA

“He apologized, but the damage was already done.”

That is the part of this campaign that is set in stone, for the duration of this election.
You may be able to mitigate it somewhat if you had enough money to whitewash yourself and muddy your opponent, but that isn’t the reality. Akin does not have the money to compete.


24 posted on 09/10/2012 9:43:38 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: WILLIALAL
For the GOP to back down now would open the up the issue nationwide as every GOP candidate will be have to explain why their party supports Akin’s views.

That's funny since I don't hear questions asked of Akin about why the GOPe supports the views of Scott Brown or others???

They are not going down that road.

They travel that road on a regular basis.

25 posted on 09/10/2012 9:44:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

“At what point does the hardheadedness of the GOPe become the problem??? Do they want to see him lose so badly that they are willing to lose the Senate???”

They made their decision, and when they did, they closed and locked the door behind them, only Akin can change that by stepping aside.
Its just the realities of political life today. It sucks, but its still the reality.


26 posted on 09/10/2012 9:47:26 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Uncle Chip

They are not going down that road.

“They travel that road on a regular basis.”

But they are not going down this one. They are not going to have this become a week or two week story this close to the election, being discussed nationwide.
Sometime a decision just can’t be walked back without causing even more damage.


27 posted on 09/10/2012 9:50:20 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: WILLIALAL
They made their decision, and when they did, they closed and locked the door behind them, only Akin can change that by stepping aside.

Who are you kidding. If Akin wins without GOPe financial support in November, the GOPe will have egg all over their faces.

If Akin loses without GOPe financial support, then the GOPe will still have egg all over their faces -- though perhaps a little less.

Either way they lose and they know it or should by now.

There is only one way to keep that egg on their plate rather than on their faces and they know what they have to do. They are political realists not idealists and least of all those worried about keeping their words -- particularly those spoken in public or in anger.

Reince will suck it up for the good of the party and the country.

28 posted on 09/10/2012 10:05:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Missouri Republicans are very forgiving people.

True, but we are also very stubborn people! After all, we don't have a mule named after us because mules are docile and compliant animals!

The RNC has a state here full of very angry and bitter grassroots conservatives that will do all they can to make sure Todd Akin stays in the race.

29 posted on 09/10/2012 10:15:39 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: WILLIALAL
Sometime a decision just can’t be walked back without causing even more damage.

I agree with you there, but that just means the support would have to be out of the public spotlight.

30 posted on 09/10/2012 10:19:59 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Uncle Chip

When we finally dump the GOP and start our own Conservative Party, it will have a clearly defined mechanism for expelling people.


31 posted on 09/10/2012 10:21:59 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ScottinVA
He apologized, but the damage was already done. There's no un-saying it.

Is that how it looks in Virginia? 'Cause it doesn't look like that to me and I actually get a vote in this race.

32 posted on 09/10/2012 10:23:15 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: WILLIALAL

I’ve been told that various conservative groups are joining forces & setting up a strategy. Conservatives from outside of the state are said to be coming in to help with “boots on the ground”. Don’t know how reliable the info’ is but I have volunteered to help if this thing gets organized.


33 posted on 09/10/2012 10:24:31 AM PDT by PoplarBluffian
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Well, let`s put it this way.. is Akin winning that race?


34 posted on 09/10/2012 10:25:42 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
When we finally dump the GOP and start our own Conservative Party, it will have a clearly defined mechanism for expelling people.

Imposed on the states from on high, you mean? Would we even need a primary in this utopia of yours?

35 posted on 09/10/2012 10:25:50 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: ScottinVA
Well, let`s put it this way.. is Akin winning that race?

Maybe not, but it's our race.

36 posted on 09/10/2012 10:27:00 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Piranha

No. What kind of stupid party would give this idiot money. He needs to drop out for the good of the party.


37 posted on 09/10/2012 10:28:54 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Da Bilge Troll; Piranha
He apologized, but the damage was already done. There's no un-saying it.

Does that rule apply to your Senatorial candidate as well???

38 posted on 09/10/2012 10:34:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: ScottinVA; Da Bilge Troll
He apologized, but the damage was already done. There's no un-saying it.

Does that rule apply to your Senatorial candidate as well???

[my apologies Da Bilge Troll -- this was meant for ScottinVa]

39 posted on 09/10/2012 10:39:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Da Bilge Troll

“maybe not, but it`s our race”

Yes.. but the Senate majority is everyone`s race.


40 posted on 09/10/2012 10:41:25 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
What kind of stupid party would give this idiot money.

The same party that is funding other Senatorial candidates who are behind and much further behind their opponents.

41 posted on 09/10/2012 10:43:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Sounds as though the Washington Post is trying to stir up problems within the Republican ranks. Akin's comments, for which he has apologized, are at most only a very, very marginal issue, if properly handled by his campaign--that is, by reciting that it has nothing whatever to do with anything on which he will be voting as a United States Senator during the next six years.

Nothing could be stupider than for Republicans to take the bait and continue the insulting demands that the Primary winner withdraw, because of such exaggerated concerns.

As for Karl Rove--a demonstrable "dysron" who has been keeping this going? See "Dysron," Quack Or Mole?

Look, I do not even pretend to know where Akin stands on the actual issues. I do know how it looks to independent minded voters, when a political party tries to bully its own members, in a form of pseudo-pragmatism. You want to know what is hurting the Party? Keeping this hysteria going. Let the Democrats try to keep it going, if we stop helping them. The issue rapidly evaporates.

William Flax

42 posted on 09/10/2012 10:47:10 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: ScottinVA
Yes.. but the Senate majority is everyone`s race.

That's too bad, isn't it? To many of us here in Missouri, it just looks like outside interference by a party elite who didn't get their chosen candidate.

43 posted on 09/10/2012 10:50:01 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: PoplarBluffian

“but I have volunteered to help if this thing gets organized.”

Keep us informed on this, as I would volunteer also.


44 posted on 09/10/2012 10:58:50 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Ok roughly nationally its 40% Rat 40% GOP 20% Independent.
The “Conservative Party” is created. Now the estimates are:

40% Rat
20% GOP
20% “Conservative Party”
20% Independent

How do you ever win an election? You can play with the numbers a bit but 40-45% are always going to be hard core Rat. 5 to 6+% of the Independents are going to be swayed by liberal arguments. The next 5 to 6+% of the Independents are going to be swayed by conservative arguments. The remaining will just go with what looks best and makes them feel good.
Again if you split the conservative vote how did you ever win another election? We do not have a parliamentary system.

It's better (but hard to do!) seize control of the GOP from the ground level and work our way up.

One thing you have to give the Rats credit for they are very disciplined in their desire for power. Without political power all discussions regarding turning this mess around are academic.

45 posted on 09/10/2012 11:00:03 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: ScottinVA; Da Bilge Troll

Last poll I saw put Akin +3 late last week. Is there more recent polling?


46 posted on 09/10/2012 11:03:23 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
Last poll I saw put Akin +3 late last week. Is there more recent polling?

I'm afraid I don't pay attention to polls until someone else brings it up. When someone told me Akin was down 10, I noted that Spence, the R candidate for Governor was also down 10. Last I heard, Akin was back to even and Spence was still down 10. Now you say Akin is +3 and that's good I guess but is Spence making any headway? None of this affects me at all - I'm going to do what I can to get my candidates elected regardless.

47 posted on 09/10/2012 11:20:57 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Uncle Chip
Do they want to see him lose so badly that they are willing to lose the Senate???

I don't know about that, but my position is the time to drop out has passed. Akin is probably enjoying the statewide campaigning anyway, so what the hell...let him have his fun and play out the string.

48 posted on 09/10/2012 11:22:42 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: WILLIALAL; PoplarBluffian
“but I have volunteered to help if this thing gets organized.”

Keep us informed on this, as I would volunteer also.

Ditto here. I know The Eagle Forum is all in.

49 posted on 09/10/2012 11:26:42 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: so_real
Last poll I saw put Akin +3 late last week. Is there more recent polling?

Akin hasn't led since that misleading sham of a "poll" by PPP that sampled R+9 in order to show Akin at +1 on Aug 20. McCaskill has led by varying degrees ever since.

50 posted on 09/10/2012 11:27:39 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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