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Tutankhamun's death and the birth of monotheism
New Scientist ^ | 5 September 2012 | Jessica Hamzelou

Posted on 09/10/2012 6:16:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

...says Hutan Ashrafian, a surgeon with an interest in medical history at Imperial College London. Tutankhamun died young with a feminised physique, and so did his immediate predecessors.

Paintings and sculptures show that Smenkhkare, an enigmatic pharaoh who may have been Tutankhamun's uncle or older brother, and Akhenaten, thought to have been the boy king's father, both had feminised figures, with unusually large breasts and wide hips. Two pharaohs that came before Akhenaten -- Amenhotep III and Tuthmosis IV -- seem to have had similar physiques. All of these kings died young and mysteriously, says Ashrafian. "There are so many theories, but they've focused on each pharaoh individually."

Ashrafian found that each pharaoh died at a slightly younger age than his predecessor, which suggests an inherited disorder, he says. Historical accounts associated with the individuals hint at what that disorder may have been.

"It's significant that two [of the five related pharaohs] had stories of religious visions associated with them," says Ashrafian. People with a form of epilepsy in which seizures begin in the brain's temporal lobe are known to experience hallucinations and religious visions, particularly after exposure to sunlight. It's likely that the family of pharaohs had a heritable form of temporal lobe epilepsy, he says.

This diagnosis would also account for the feminine features. The temporal lobe is connected to parts of the brain involved in the release of hormones, and epileptic seizures are known to alter the levels of hormones involved in sexual development. This might explain the development of the pharaohs' large breasts. A seizure might also be to blame for Tutankhamun's fractured leg, says Ashrafian (Epilepsy & Behavior, doi.org/h8s).

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: akhenaten; amenhotepiii; ancientegypt; catastrophism; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; smenkhkare; tutankhamun; tuthmosisiv
Tutankhamun died aged just 18 (Image: Kenneth Garrett/National Geographic Stock)

Tutankhamuns death and the birth of monotheism

1 posted on 09/10/2012 6:16:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: neverdem; martin_fierro

Whole lot o’ shakin’ goin’ on.


2 posted on 09/10/2012 6:17:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
One of *those* topics.



3 posted on 09/10/2012 6:18:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Take this one with a grain of natron.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


4 posted on 09/10/2012 6:19:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"The exact timing of Akhenaten's religious conviction is not so clearly documented, and most cases of sudden religious conversion are not due to epilepsy," he says. "Monotheism could be related to epilepsy, or bipolar disorder, or schizophrenia, or drug intoxication from a fungus - but this paper does not sway me to any of these options." Markel agrees: "Do we know that a seizure led to monotheism? It's a nice idea, but we don't know," he says. "It's a very interesting hypothesis, but it's just that - there's no definite proof."

In other words, "never mind."

5 posted on 09/10/2012 6:23:44 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (At the end of the day, you have to worship the god who can set you on fire.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I should think that the most obvious cause of physical disorders and early deaths would have been the custom of royal incest among the pharoahs. Inbreeding usually causes health problems after a while.

That’s a separate issue from the idea that it would take some sort of illness to bring on the concept of monotheism. Perhaps the scientists who posit this are themselves suffering from some sort of mental disorder.


6 posted on 09/10/2012 6:30:51 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Alex Murphy

Aten had a cult before Akhenaten, but the pharaoh found it convenient to elevate it above all others, and then to eliminate all others. It was a politically (and economically) motivated religious schism by Akhetaten, who wanted to collect the revenues ordinarily collected by the many cultic temples. There’s signs that Akhenaten was more like Henry VIII upon his closure and sacking of, for example, Glastonbury.

Tut, on the other hand, restored the old cults, and built that huge central columnade in Luxor temple. It’s usually attributed to Ramses II, but he just had his name carved over Tut’s (he did this other times, and his reputation of being a great builder is somewhat inflated); some of the cartouches way up near the top were not visible from the ground and were either left on purpose or just missed.


7 posted on 09/10/2012 6:36:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

GIFSoup

Did he do the monkey in Arizona?

8 posted on 09/10/2012 6:50:41 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did they use the “bro” or the “manzier”?


9 posted on 09/10/2012 6:51:03 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Aten had a cult before Akhenaten, but the pharaoh found it convenient to elevate it above all others, and then to eliminate all others. It was a politically (and economically) motivated religious schism by Akhetaten, who wanted to collect the revenues ordinarily collected by the many cultic temples.

Thanks for posting this. I learned something new about Akhenaten!

10 posted on 09/10/2012 6:58:13 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (At the end of the day, you have to worship the god who can set you on fire.)
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from Archaeologica.
September 9th, 2012 Edition
September 7th & 8th, 2012 Edition
September 5th & 6th, 2012 Edition
September 4th, 2012 Edition
September 3rd, 2012 Edition
September 1st & 2nd, 2012 Edition


11 posted on 09/10/2012 7:00:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

He gave his life for tourism.


12 posted on 09/10/2012 7:01:27 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting that, to these scientists, the only conceivable reason for monotheism is a mental disorder of some sort.


13 posted on 09/10/2012 7:35:41 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: SunkenCiv

You usually use the yellow catastrophism logo when you touch on areas that V explored at length. Is the red a slip or due to multiple and split reasons?


14 posted on 09/11/2012 12:45:03 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: SunkenCiv

We drove to New Orleans and stood in line for 7 hours to see the magnificent treasures of the King Tut traveling exhibit brought to America by the Exxon Corporation

I’ll never get over it. Awesome craftsmanship. Wonderful stuff


15 posted on 09/11/2012 4:38:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: SunkenCiv

temporal lobe epilepsy can lead to visions, but the few patients I’ve treated with the disease weren’t feminine looking, and his linkage of the problems don’t make sense.

And the latest autopsy suggested that Tut died after he had a compound fracture of the femur, in an area that suggested he crashed his chariott and was thrown forward and his thigh hit the front of the chariott...the fracture had started to heal suggesting it was the infection that actually killed him.


16 posted on 09/11/2012 8:06:45 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: Avoiding_Sulla

Yeah, I had a senior moment.


17 posted on 09/11/2012 4:49:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: KC_Lion; dfwgator

He did that number at the Lansing Civic Center back at that time; a roadie came up and strapped on a guitar, he played one chord, and that was it, part of the overall gag. For the second show, John Denver was roadie, but we missed that.


18 posted on 09/11/2012 4:51:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: beethovenfan

Hoot-ankhamun.


19 posted on 09/11/2012 4:54:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Cicero; La Lydia; LadyDoc

Inbreeding also can lead to stunning intellects; but Julius Caesar had epilepsy, and he was a) inbred and brilliant, but b) didn’t have mystic visions. :’)


20 posted on 09/11/2012 4:55:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bert

Was that a few years ago? That was a good show, saw it in Chicago.


21 posted on 09/11/2012 4:55:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Alex Murphy

Thanks, I like to help out. :’)


22 posted on 09/11/2012 4:55:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I think it was 1977


23 posted on 09/12/2012 4:40:25 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m gonna tell you one thing, kid:

Immanuel Velikovsky’s “Oedipus and Akhnaton”


24 posted on 09/12/2012 10:52:07 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

/bingo


25 posted on 09/12/2012 5:51:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bert

Oh, so you got to see “The Treasures of the King” — okay, now I’m pretty jealous. :’)


26 posted on 09/12/2012 5:57:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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related (off-FR ending in a dot): The Carians: Lots of connections: Minoans / Cretans / Kreti: No, he wasn't the pharaoh of the Exodus: Lycians / Lukka:
27 posted on 09/12/2012 6:56:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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