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"The Innocence of Muslims" Produced by a Muslim?
FR Vanity | 091312 | golux

Posted on 09/13/2012 12:51:41 PM PDT by golux

Please forgive me if all of this sounds ridiculous... But I have spent a little time viewing clips from this "Innocence of Muslims" film. It is so astonishingly poorly acted and produced that I cannot even compare it to the worst student movies I have ever seen.... And I have produced, directed, and SEEN a lot of junk in formats from Super8 to 35 and up.
The piece is almost unbelievably bad. Unbelievably - as in - nothing I have ever seen from the West is this bad, this poorly edited, acted, written, lit, greenscreened. The piece is a parody of itself!
So - All I am left with is some kind of comparison, and, the only comparison I can draw is with the sort of stuff I have seen produced by radical Mohammedans themselves via Palestinian Media Watch, CAMERA, etc. You know, the scenes where the pink Jihad bunny tells the kids to kill lots of Jews before Ramadan so they can get lots of chocolates. That stuff is LAUGHABLY poorly done, and I hate to say it but... It looks just like this! Thoughts?


TOPICS: Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 9112012embassyattack; film; innocenceofmuslims; islammovie; jihad; lietothekufir; politics; waronterror; whywefight

1 posted on 09/13/2012 12:51:43 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux

The DNC had a limited budget.


2 posted on 09/13/2012 12:55:13 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Republican pizza man who only votes for democrats - what's his Freeper name?)
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To: golux

I wonder if it wasn’t produced by Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and National Security as a disinformation project.


3 posted on 09/13/2012 12:55:20 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: golux

If I remember correctly, the Danish cartoon incident was spiked up my Muslims adding in far more inflammatory cartoons and distributing them widely. You could be right, that this is all done inside Islam to whip people up into making 9/11 attacks.

The train bombings in Spain were supposedly retaliation for Muslims being thrown out of Spain in 1532 (or whenever that was).


4 posted on 09/13/2012 12:56:16 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: golux

An internet hoax by the jihadists and our government fell for it? That is worse than shameful. It reminds us of the many instances of aggrieved homosexuals who have slurs written on their doors or persons by “homophobes”....and are revealed later to have done it themselves.

If our government is really this gullible in our dangerous world, we are sunk.


5 posted on 09/13/2012 12:57:01 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: golux
My thoughts exactly. As I said in another post: The 'film' is not at the level of Lawrence of Arabia or even the worst professional movie released in the United States in my memory. It's more like a middle school "art" project made by a particularly inept kid with no time for script, plot, or other frills. It's a string of dumb scenes and insults to Islam, but it does not actually entertain or inform the viewer (yes, I watched it). Where did such a pathetic film come from and why? My guess: the film was created as a provocation by the Muslim Brotherhood. It certainly didn't come from our side.
6 posted on 09/13/2012 12:57:10 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: golux
“...The piece is a parody of itself!...”

No, it is a nuanced stylistic art house production showing the absurdity of Mohammedanism by its overt simplicity.

7 posted on 09/13/2012 12:58:01 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: golux

So far it looks like a Middle Easterner, supposedly a Coptic Christian, and a really flaky, devious, unscrupulous, whacked out activist, and criminal weirdo.


8 posted on 09/13/2012 12:58:24 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: golux

http://www.policymic.com/mobile/articles/14657/nakoula-nakoula-is-sam-bacile-classic-hollywood-movie-scam-sets-off-waves-of-middle-east-protests

Per the above article, the guy was a scam artist....


9 posted on 09/13/2012 12:59:01 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: DBrow

“...retaliation for Muslims being thrown out of Spain in 1532...”

Granada fell in 1492 just before Columbus sailed. The Conquistadors of the next generation were skillful due to the military experiences/culture of the Reconquest.


10 posted on 09/13/2012 1:01:18 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: golux

Hmmm...interesting...


11 posted on 09/13/2012 1:02:10 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Pollster1

>>Where did such a pathetic film come from and why? My guess: the film was created as a provocation by the Muslim Brotherhood. It certainly didn’t come from our side.<<

Irrespective of how badly it was made (in one day from what I heard), the film is FACTUAL in its protrayal of the beginning of islam and its mongrel dog of a founder muhammed (may he burn in hell with ham hocks to his ears forever).


12 posted on 09/13/2012 1:04:05 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (“We can’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents.” moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: golux

Just this week:

CRUCIFIX MASTURBATION FILM WINS Venice Film Festival

http://www.catholicleague.org/crucifix-masturbation-film-wins/

The DNC made and DNC/YouTube released anti muslim flick is fake.

It’s purpose is to take focus off of US economy.


13 posted on 09/13/2012 1:06:38 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Republican pizza man who only votes for democrats - what's his Freeper name?)
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To: golux

Supposedly it was made by Copts. It opens with a scene of Muslims destroying the clinic of a humane Christian doctor and killing or knocking out a young Christian woman.

Then the doctor, I think, starts telling the story of how Islam began to a young girl. After that it got so unwatchable I quit after the oral sex exorcism scene. It’s so lame as to have no purpose but to anger Muslims - it’s not effective mockery, it’s not convincing argument, it’s just lame and offensive.

And it looks like a great way to get Copts killed in Egypt. Why would Copts make this movie? Blood of martyrs to nourish the Church?


14 posted on 09/13/2012 1:06:52 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: golux
All the evidence seems to point to it being a rather nutty and criminally minded Coptic Christian. But really this was just a pretext. It was a tempest in a teacup until the Muslim Brotherhood and the governments of Egypt, Libya and Yemen thought it would serve their purposes.

The fervor was directed and designed to whip up the mob into a frenzy to coincide with 9-11 AND (it increasingly looks like) a coordinated planned attack using the mob as cover.

Egypt, Libya and Yemen cannot even pretend to have a free press.

The Egyptian President, who was quick to tell us that WE needed to do something about some nut making a glorified home movie about Muhammad, quite infamously cracked down on any semblance of independent media in Egypt.

There is a reason why this obscure movie became MUCH MORE FAMOUS in the Middle East than it would have otherwise EVER have been in America (where we at least value good production professionalism) - and that is because the governments in Egypt, Libya and Yemen WANTED it to be famous.

They acted as the publicity agents for this obscure home movie - then tell US that we have to do something about it.

How about if WE tell THEM to shut the hell up about what some obscure nutbag does in America?

They incite a riot on 9-11 using this obscure home movie as the flimsiest of pretexts - and our media plays along either blithely unaware of or entirely uninterested in the fact that nobody in the Middle East (or anywhere else for that matter) would have ever heard of the ‘film’ if not for the publicity given to it via full and direct approval of the governments of Egypt, Libya and Yemen.

15 posted on 09/13/2012 1:07:26 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: golux


Police Sent to California Home of 'Innocence of Muslims' Producer, Who is 'Scared of Retaliation'
16 posted on 09/13/2012 1:08:54 PM PDT by goron (Let's get this done!)
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To: golux

Yes it was juvenile to say the least, but look who is rioting over it, certainly not Islamic rocket scientists. Mullahs Sheiks, Ayatollahs, need job security so what ever works to keep them in business works for them.


17 posted on 09/13/2012 1:10:59 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: golux

bump


18 posted on 09/13/2012 1:15:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: golux
The lameness of the video reminds me of THIS SNL SKETCH.
19 posted on 09/13/2012 1:16:57 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: golux

I had pretty much the same reaction yesterday. It’d take a lot of money and influence to pull this off...not meaning the production values of this sham film, but the massive funds that must have been needed to hire fake directors and producers, fake screenings, etc...

Who do we know with that kind of pull on the left?

George Soros.

This was planned to enrage the Muzzies, then they cause a ruckus, then Obama could have appeared as if he’s being tough on terrorists. The major backfire here though was Chris Stevens’ death, so now there’s a scurry of evidence-destroying and evidence-planting going on to hide the likely Soros connection.

I think this Steve Klein guy was brought in to be the fall guy for the whole mess.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 1:22:13 PM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: golux
Could well be, nobody knows at the moment. It was reported to have been produced by an Egyptian, a Mr. Nakoula, who claims to be a Coptic Christian. But he also may be the "Israeli Jew" director of the film, "Bacile" since the director's name just happens to be one of the aliases used by the producer.

"Nakoula has also reportedly used several aliases, including Nicola Bacily and Erwin Salameh."

"One of the actresses who says she was tricked into being in the film says Bacile told her on set that he was Egyptian, and that he spoke Arabic to other men present." Source

21 posted on 09/13/2012 1:25:52 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Pollster1
My guess: the film was created as a provocation by the Muslim Brotherhood.

The ethnicity of the cast makes that highly unlikely. You can watch the trailer here.

Reportedly, it cost $5m (supposedly contributed by 100 unidentified Jewish donors), took three months to make and used 60 actors and 45 crew. 5e6/3/(60+45) = $15.9K/mo per staff member. So, either the scenery was really expensive (not) or the actors were waaay overpaid.

I've seen better acting in many a school play.

22 posted on 09/13/2012 1:26:56 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: golux

I M Bacile


23 posted on 09/13/2012 1:33:19 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: txrefugee

Isn’t it curious/spurious that the author of the evil movie is identified as Christian Copt who the State Dept. and our lamestream press have never helped or to my knowledge mentioned.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/266793/persecution-egypt-s-coptic-christians-continues-nina-shea#


24 posted on 09/13/2012 1:39:06 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: txrefugee

Isn’t it curious/spurious that the author of the evil movie is identified as Christian Copt who the State Dept. and our lamestream press have never helped or to my knowledge mentioned.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/266793/persecution-egypt-s-coptic-christians-continues-nina-shea#


25 posted on 09/13/2012 1:39:17 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: allmendream

What Jew would produce such a miserable piece of incendiary crap and attribute it to “100 Jewish donors” for some astronomical sum? It makes no sense. And what Copt would produce such a piece and want to nail it on a Jewish producer? That too makes no sense. One more thing: why are there Koranic FACTS mixed with so many FALSEHOODS? I can assure you that no producer who was serious about his piece would allow such a hodgepodge... Unless it was intended from the beginning that the piece be DERIDED.


26 posted on 09/13/2012 1:41:45 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux
Nobody is saying the guy is reasonable, a good producer, or a truth teller.

But the evidence suggests that he is a Coptic Christian who was pretending to be Jewish. So far there is no evidence that he is a Muslim pretending to be a Coptic Christian pretending to be Jewish.

No doubt he wanted to deflect any blame from his own very vulnerable community to America and Israel.

From what I have heard this is a piece of garbage ‘Mohammad porn’.

I don't think anyone serious about his “piece” (of feces) would take it to Terry Jones the publicity whore Koran burner either.

What some nutjob criminal did is not important. What the purpose behind taking this poorly done and destined for obscurity CRAP and making it FAMOUS throughout Egypt, Libya and Yemen IS important.

Egypt wants us to make (unconstitutional) laws against defaming Islam and/or Mohammad.

I want them to enforce laws already in Egypt against defaming Islam and/or Mohammad and apply them to their already subservient and living in fear press to prevent the obscure insult from receiving worldwide attention.

If some nutball says some graphic and inflammatory things about you; and I make it world famous - do you blame the nutball who said it - or me for making sure EVERYBODY knew every salacious and graphic detail of what the nutball said?

27 posted on 09/13/2012 1:50:27 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Why was it being promoted in the Middle-East. Anyone wonder whether it was Dems who used the same media distribution newtork as was used to foment “Arab Spring” to cause the uproar? Does it not provide diversion from the economy for Pres. Obama to take cover under?


28 posted on 09/13/2012 2:02:11 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: golux

Thanks but I didn’t need to see the video after reading the account below a couple of days ago.

Someone mentioned Idiocracy on another thread regarding our muslim infested government. The northern territories of Mali are really there. Or making an effort, in some cases, to pull back from there.

On the other hand, making an effort to pull back from Idiocracy may offend the serious muslims which would give them an excuse to kill the not so serious muslims after they gain control of moderate Mali.

From http://www.ohio.com/news/world/radical-islamists-struggle-to-run-northern-mali-1.331229

DAKAR, SENEGAL: The radical Islamists who control northern Mali appear incapable of managing basic services — including electricity, water and schools — and in some cases are asking for the return of state functionaries to run them, according to a delegation that went to the region for talks recently...

...”They asked for the state to resume its functions, because it’s too complicated for them to manage,” said Daouda Maiga, who used to run a state development program in Kidal, a region of nearly 70,000 people before the Islamist takeover emptied it. “They are not used to running things.”...


29 posted on 09/13/2012 2:12:40 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: golux

i wish this movie, had gotten even 1/10th the publicity...
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AuPC6.tmIlsJ3NBQnyJvPwabvZx4?p=stoning+of+soraya&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701
Search resultsThe Stoning of Soraya M. (2008) - IMDb
Director: Cyrus Nowrasteh. Actors: Shohreh Aghdashloo: Zahra · Mozhan Marnò: Soraya M. · Jim Caviezel: Freidoune Sahebjam · Navid Negahban: Ali · Ali Pourtash ...
www.imdb.com/title/tt1277737

www.thestoning.com


30 posted on 09/13/2012 2:13:43 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: golux
Doesn't matter if a muslim DID make it. Recall that 3 of the so called "12 cartoons" were not even from the contest and that one of the supposed "insults to Islam" was a photo from a hog calling contest:

The Imam ginned up a controversy to cover their violent rampage. Just as the OWS Communists do. Communists have rioted in America in the 21st century in the name of "smashing Fascism" as well.

'Always good to have some kind of cover story before you cause an internationale incident.'

31 posted on 09/13/2012 2:16:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: golux

Hmm.

Ask the Bahais, Zoroastrians, Copts, Chaldean Christians, Israelis, Hindus, Buddhists, Maronite Christians, Phillipino Christians and African Animists how “innocent” they are. You might also want to check in with a few emanciated Muslim women who have managed to escape to the west and are living in safety and anonymity.


32 posted on 09/13/2012 2:17:39 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.yoututbe.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28)
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To: a fool in paradise

I wonder if I dragged a pdf file of the Koran into my Recycle Bin, if I could initiate a riot?


33 posted on 09/13/2012 2:18:08 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: golux

ISLAM MUST DIE~!


34 posted on 09/13/2012 2:18:55 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: dfwgator

The intolerant theocratic government of Saudi Arabia seizes PRIVATELY OWNED Bibles and other non-Islamic religious texts and burns them every year. No condemnation from the rest of the world.

And muslims claim when talking to the kufir that all religions deserve respect of their beliefs and texts. Ha.


35 posted on 09/13/2012 2:37:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: a fool in paradise

This whole thing is very confusing. Some are saying that a “movie” is the cause of all the rukus. Others say it was caused by the video that the preacher made of hanging Mohammed. Which is it? A movie or a video? Are they the same? Hillary said “video”. Others are saying “movie”. What is really going on? I’m soooooo confused.


36 posted on 09/13/2012 2:52:36 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: WVNan
Recall that in the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks, we were told that the night before the atacks Mohammed Atta played a pinball machine called Golden Tee.


37 posted on 09/13/2012 3:04:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: cynwoody
"My guess: the film was created as a provocation by the Muslim Brotherhood." The ethnicity of the cast makes that highly unlikely. You can watch the trailer here.

I disagree. It is easy to hire actors with no talent to read a script and act in front of a green screen (which is what they appear to have used). The Brotherhood, if setting up a provocation, would be likely to prefer actors who would be particularly provocative. After you have the film, you can edit it together to tell a different story from the one the actors think they were telling. Even using the name "Mohammed" would not be much of a clue because it's such a common name.

38 posted on 09/13/2012 3:32:06 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pollster1
You might find interesting this amazing interview with one of the cast members, Cindy Lee Garcia. She doesn't look like anybody the Muslim Brotherhood would come up with (other than at gunpoint):

Nor do the other cast members, by and large. This was a southern California production, made by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, an Egyptian Copt with a checkered past, who passed himself off as Sam Bacile, an Israeli Jew. It's all coming out ... more here.

39 posted on 09/13/2012 4:08:05 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Monterrosa-24
“...retaliation for Muslims being thrown out of Spain in 1532...”

Granada fell in 1492 just before Columbus sailed.

Granada did indeed fall in 1492. Part of its surrender was a peace treaty agreeing that the Muslims remaining would have freedom of religion. The Catholic Monarchs broke the treaty and in 1502 gave all Muslims the option of conversion or expulsion.

Most converted, with varying degrees of sincerity, as did the Jews who were given the same options.

The Moriscos, as the now purportedly Catholic Muslims were called, were still highly unpopular with most Spaniards, who were skeptical of the sincerity of the Christianity, often with reason.

Spain put increasing pressure on the Moriscos, who launched several revolts in reply. In 1609 Spain expelled all the Moriscos, mostly to North Africa, where (somewhat ironically) many of them werek killed for being Christians.

40 posted on 09/14/2012 2:03:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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