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Walmart refuses to sell shotgun to woman, says it's 'Too much gun'
guns.com ^ | 13 Sept 2012 | Max Slowik

Posted on 09/14/2012 10:36:38 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Shooting as a pastime is getting more and more popular every day. **snip** This is especially true with women, who are leading the curve as the fastest-growing segment of the market. But we still get reports of stories like this one, about Prayse Dangler, who was prohibited to buy a shotgun by her local Walmart staff—because a Mossberg 930 was too much gun for a woman.

"Yesterday at Walmart I tried to buy a shotgun to keep at the house with me when Brad is gone. We live in the heart of downtown New Albany where there is a lot of foot traffic, and we believe that me having a reliable way to protect myself and our baby when Brad isn't here is just a responsible thing to do.

"Here's the kicker though. The man behind the counter looked at me in disbelief when I pointed out the beefy Mossberg 930 Tactical weapon that Brad had researched out for me and planned on taking me out shooting to get comfortable with. The man then proceeded to interrogate me about what I wanted it for and how it would be used. He said that I didn't hold it right and that I needed 'something else better suited to you.' He put it back in the case and firmly refused to sell it—all because I am a petite young woman!

"He threatened me with the FBI and accused me of purchasing the gun for 'someone else'—namely my husband who was with me. My husband informed him that IF he was the one that would be primarily using the gun then he would have bought it himself but it was going to be mine to keep with us and practice with, so we wanted it in my name…"

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1 posted on 09/14/2012 10:36:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Try that “too much gun” with the 11 year old girl who dropped two Messicans dumb enough to break into the home of a girl skeet champion. What happened?

Think “Pull”!


2 posted on 09/14/2012 10:40:19 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Salamander

Ping


3 posted on 09/14/2012 10:43:39 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 election.)
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To: All

Ben Walton’s children are all a bunch of lefties. I hate that company. If you really check the prices you’ll find they gouge the hell out of people on lots of items.


4 posted on 09/14/2012 10:49:33 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: smokingfrog

What loads you shoot make a noticeable difference.

Also if you mod it with a stock that can help reduce the feel of the recoil, that makes a big difference.

If she was small it could easily be too much for her. It would be too much for some guys. If control sucks because the load is very hot and the recoil is big, it makes people not want to use it. Or over-anticipate the trigger pull and recoil.


5 posted on 09/14/2012 10:51:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: smokingfrog
Dang! That jerk clerk would crap his pants if he would see my 5'1" wife shoot my .44 Redhawk with full magnum loads.
She ain't half bad out to 100ft.
6 posted on 09/14/2012 10:53:03 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: smokingfrog

Assuming she were buying the gun for someone else, what does the retail jockey care? It’s not like the ATFs gonna come down on them for something they couldn’t know. Something nobody possibly could know.

Or maybe the feds to come down on them. “Please hand over your security tapes. An informant says you sold something to an appropriate adult who knows other people and is physically capable of handing said product to undesirables.”

I wonder why people in genrral comply with most laws. Fear, I guess. But the government barely cracks the surface now. It could be like prohibition all over again for an awful lot if red tape had we the guts.


7 posted on 09/14/2012 10:55:28 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Terry Mross

There’s no such thing as gouging. Unless there are legally enforceable price controls.


8 posted on 09/14/2012 10:57:08 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Secret Agent Man

The managed recoil loads can make a big difference, and would probably be a better self-defense load anyway. We’re not trying to kill a deer or hit high flying geese after all.


9 posted on 09/14/2012 10:57:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
I wonder if that's New Albany as in Columbus Ohio? We have some real winners at the Walmarts around here.

I had an old beater car that had 4 different tire widths. (Junkyard stuff I ended up with from a couple of cars) They refused to sell me 4 tires all the same size, only the exact size that was on each wheel. I asked to see the manager, but he was just as stupid as the other guy.

There were about 3 or 4 other people waiting in line, and I asked them if they really wanted someone this stupid working on THEIR car. Two of them followed me out.

10 posted on 09/14/2012 10:58:29 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: smokingfrog
At 11 my Marine brother had me shooting anything and everything he and my father owned which is an extensive collection from Antique on up. I was 5'6” but I only weighed about 100 pounds. With proper technique and placement on my shoulder I never had a problem, although, and I can't remember what caliber it was, I had a sore shoulder one day, but never admitted it!
11 posted on 09/14/2012 11:02:58 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: smokingfrog
They are quite right. Until she takes a hacksaw, and cuts the barrel down to 18.5 inches, it doesn't swing well in the house, and a hallway.

At 10 or 12 foot range, the pattern should open up to 2 or 3 inches.

A load of #4s, and the noise of racking it will notify the Bad Guy he is about to have his future modified...

12 posted on 09/14/2012 11:03:51 PM PDT by jonascord (Hot Flash: Your "government" is no longer mine.)
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To: Slump Tester

New Albany, IN

They would only sell you the same sized (mis-matched) tires that were on your car? LOL. They could look up your car model on the computer and have the correct tire size in 30 seconds.


13 posted on 09/14/2012 11:06:30 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Pretty bizarre behavior by the clerk, if true.

I could understand a knowledgeable gun store owner making alternative suggestions if he felt that a particular weapon might not be suitable for a particular customer. But to refuse to sell the weapon, and threaten to sic the FBI on a customer? That’s nuttiness. You don’t even need a permit to own a shotgun in Indiana.

Of course, it’s also possible Wal-Mart has this as a policy because of fears of the gun control crowd suing them over a straw man purchase. That doesn’t get the clerk off the hook in my book, but it would mean that he was following company procedure in addition to being a crank.


14 posted on 09/14/2012 11:08:47 PM PDT by DemforBush (100% Ex-Democrat.)
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To: jonascord

The 930 Tactical already has a 18.5” barrel.


15 posted on 09/14/2012 11:09:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
So, some guy earning $8.50 an hour refused to sell her the gun?

The clerk probably took a 3 hour mandatory gun sales course where they teach the most common tricks used in an illegal purchase.

If you're Walmart, it's heads they win, tails you lose in this drama.

Walmart won't comment because whatever it says will be twisted and tortured and thrown back in its face when a lawsuit is filed.

And if it was an illegal purchase, Walmart would have faced lawsuits from any victims injured or terrorized by the shotgun.

16 posted on 09/14/2012 11:14:38 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: smokingfrog

That’s what started it, I wanted them to look up what size came on it stock. They claimed it was store policy to only put on what they they took off. I didn’t want anyone that stupid touching my car anyhow. (And I had fun loudly proclaiming it!)


17 posted on 09/14/2012 11:18:29 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: smokingfrog

1. He is a $7.25 an hour store clerk.
2. It is not any of his business what you want it for
3. You should have told him to keep his opinions to himself and to sell you the gun or he would not have his $7.25 an hour job.


18 posted on 09/14/2012 11:18:37 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: smokingfrog

Sounds fake...


19 posted on 09/14/2012 11:47:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: smokingfrog

As in Fast and Furious Straw Man purchase fake.

Weird narrative to start the 2A grabbing with before 2013 but we’ll see...


20 posted on 09/14/2012 11:48:34 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: smokingfrog

I would just go somewhere else and then mail the receipt to his boss showing him how much money his employee turned away.


21 posted on 09/14/2012 11:55:59 PM PDT by albionin
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To: smokingfrog

I think I probably would have said “Go ahead and call the FBI - we’ll wait right here” Threaten them right back. Stand your ground.


22 posted on 09/15/2012 12:08:38 AM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: smokingfrog

Translation: “I am saving up to buy this gun myself. I’m going to give myself a discount because its been on display a while. I only need 2 more paychecks. And you are not going to buy it now and mess up my plans, you silly broad.”


23 posted on 09/15/2012 12:32:10 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Tublecane
I wonder why people in genrral comply with most laws. Fear, I guess.

Durn right it's fear. Who would want to be dumped in with the general population in a prison? The law doesn't distinguish between prisoners of conscience and regular prisoner.

Significantly, the lower class lacks that fear - but that's one of the reasons why they're lower class.

24 posted on 09/15/2012 12:42:22 AM PDT by danielmryan
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To: smokingfrog
>”it was going to be mine to keep with us and practice with, so we wanted it in my name…”<

Herein lies the problem. Why is a Shotgun “registered” in her name? I remember growing up in the 50’s and 60’s when we were truly a Free People.

A memorable Bumper Sticker from my youth, “First Registration, Then Confiscation”.

25 posted on 09/15/2012 12:52:55 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: smokingfrog
Cool!

Back when, prior to Reagan, I bought an Eastfield 12 Ga pumpgun at a gun show down in Kankakee, Il, for $70.

A stop at the factory model shop, $10 to an old toolmaker, and he clamped the barrel and receiver into the lathe and parted off the barrel at 18.75, measured from a closed bolt. He brazed the front sight back on, mostly for show.

It was in my gun case for a few years, til my stoner brother pawned it for some pot...

Was it a 916? No idea. It worked like a charm, tho, action was slick and fast. Probably since I ran 200 rounds through it. I'm a believer in the fact that, like any other machine, it's best if the machine is worn in.

(Something you might consider when you get a new toy, and your fanny is going to depend on it...)

26 posted on 09/15/2012 1:07:08 AM PDT by jonascord (Hot Flash: Your "government" is no longer mine.)
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To: Slump Tester

OK, that last is just awesome.


27 posted on 09/15/2012 1:13:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: The Cajun

Likewise my wife with her .357 magnum.


28 posted on 09/15/2012 1:22:02 AM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: smokingfrog; All

When you become the biggest benefactor of Free Trade with Communist China....that Communism is gonna rub off on you eventually.

WalMart needs to be called MaoMart now


29 posted on 09/15/2012 1:47:28 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Blaming Terry Jones for the recent Muslim riots is like blaming the St Louis Rams for football)
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To: SeminoleCounty

This is a weak thread. Why didn’t the consumer ask for a manager when she noticed the problem employee.

Note to posters: Don’t fall for Hollywood’s fixation upon “racking the action” and scaring perps. You should have the chamber already loaded...racking for response is idiotic and a FAIL.

There is no reason why the woman couldn’t handle a shot-gun. This is a non-argument.

Bashing Walmart is pretty idiotic. If you don’t like the stores, don’t patronize.

A weak thread.


30 posted on 09/15/2012 3:17:16 AM PDT by mountaineer1997
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To: Terry Mross
Ben Walton’s children are all a bunch of lefties. I hate that company. If you really check the prices you’ll find they gouge the hell out of people on lots of items.

Way too much logic in this statement for me to parse.

I hate that company???

You mean the one that has over a million workers, provides goods and services at excellent prices and forces no one into it's stores at gun point?

Six graders hate companies, adults make informed choices and shop elsewhere.

Your brain has been gouged out although you might be correct about his children.

31 posted on 09/15/2012 3:31:25 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: Slump Tester
That’s what started it, I wanted them to look up what size came on it stock. They claimed it was store policy to only put on what they they took off. I didn’t want anyone that stupid touching my car anyhow. (And I had fun loudly proclaiming it!)

So if you had the wrong tire size in the first place, it was “store policy” to only sell you the same wrong tire size? They couldn’t lookup the correct tire size for the make and model – ask to see your owner’s manual? That’s got to be (one of) the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. What if you needed new windshield wipers? Would they only sell you the exact same ones you had even if they were the wrong size? What if you went to Wally-Mart to buy some new clothes after losing a lot of weight came in wearing pants 2 sizes too big – would they refuse to sell you pants in a size 2 smaller than what you were currently wearing?

As far as the gal trying to purchase the Mossberg, she and her husband should have gone to Cabela’s or a local independent gun store. Some years ago my husband and I were shopping for a firearm for home protection, mostly for me to use and were thinking of a shotgun, thinking that with a shot gun, I as someone who never fired a firearm before didn’t necessarily have to be a great shot and a shotgun could take down a perp pretty handily. The gun store owners, a former Baltimore cop and former MD State policeman BTW, actually recommended against a shotgun for several reasons (close proximity of my neighbor’s house mostly) and recommended a basic revolver even over a semi-automatic or automatic pistol. His reasoning was a revolver can be kept handy in the night stand and in an emergency; a revolver is unlikely to jam and would be easier for me to learn to use, handle, provided of course that I learned how to use it and spent a good time at the range to gain accuracy. But at the end of the day it was a only a “recommendation”, they would have sold us whatever we wanted to buy.

32 posted on 09/15/2012 3:54:12 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: smokingfrog

It sounds to me like she said the ‘magic words’ that indicate that it was a straw purchase. The clerk then responded by keeping himself out of prison.

Government stings look just like this. If you are purchasing a firearm as a present (perfectly legal) DO NOT tell the clerk. If you are accompanying your spouse to purchase a firearm, do not be making a lot of statements about which one to purchase.

Dealers are required to infer a straw sale and then refuse to sell.


33 posted on 09/15/2012 4:03:54 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
Government stings look just like this. If you are purchasing a firearm as a present (perfectly legal) DO NOT tell the clerk. If you are accompanying your spouse to purchase a firearm, do not be making a lot of statements about which one to purchase.

Dealers are required to infer a straw sale and then refuse to sell.

So if I take my husband with me to purchase a firearm that I’m going to use and register in my name and I simply ask my husband a few questions or ask his opinion on what I should purchase, that makes us both criminals? Really? So am I better off going to the gun store all by myself, perhaps with a list of written questions or call him on my cell phone to ask his opinion? What if I don’t make any verbal statements but communicate with him in sign language? That to me those would all be bigger red flags.

34 posted on 09/15/2012 4:26:20 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: mountaineer1997
Note to posters: Don’t fall for Hollywood’s fixation upon “racking the action” and scaring perps. You should have the chamber already loaded...racking for response is idiotic and a FAIL.

I don't quite agree. My home-defense shotgun does not have a round chambered, although my home-defense pistol does. How you store your weapons will depend on the level of threat; the method and location of storage; and the ages, responsibility, and level of training of individuals in the home. For some families and locations, a round in the chamber makes sense. For others it does not.

As for racking a round into the chamber in the hope of scaring criminals away, I personally don't see the point. If an intruder reaches the point where a homeowner has to use a shotgun in any way, pulling the trigger is almost certainly the best answer for personal safety.

35 posted on 09/15/2012 4:38:16 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Casie
There you go...

I think you may have hit on the real reason.

36 posted on 09/15/2012 5:35:45 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Slump Tester

Local tire shop has a sign outside:

“Why buy your tires at a grocery store?”


37 posted on 09/15/2012 5:35:50 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Jet Jaguar

Because there's some perverse element in my psyche that thinks it would be hysterically insulting to cap some thug with a "Hello Kitty" 9mm.

:)

[my Mossberg, however, is plain, utilitarian black and stainless steel...how boring]

38 posted on 09/15/2012 5:39:06 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: smokingfrog

That is the very reason for a weapon in the first place. Doh.


39 posted on 09/15/2012 5:45:03 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: smokingfrog
Sorry, but an FFL must refuse the sale if he suspects it is a straw purchase.

Unfortunately, a petitie woman buying a 12 ga tactical shotgun while a man is with her pointing out the exact model to buy looks to the FFL like a straw purchase.

There is no long gun registration in New Albany, Ohio, so there is no "having it in her name" involved, other than the 4473 paperwork.

The couple should have simply had the man submit to the NICS check and fill out the 4473, and everything would have been fine.

It is the ATF, not the Walmart counter salesman, to blame here.

40 posted on 09/15/2012 5:51:12 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

Correction: New Albany, Indiana. But the same holds true in Indinana, no long gun registration.


41 posted on 09/15/2012 5:57:49 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Slump Tester
They claimed it was store policy to only put on what they they took off.

Do you remember the standard Nuremberg defense, “I only did what I was told.”

We are there now. It scares me...........................

42 posted on 09/15/2012 6:07:07 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: mountaineer1997

“Note to posters: Don’t fall for Hollywood’s fixation upon “racking the action” and scaring perps. You should have the chamber already loaded...racking for response is idiotic and a FAIL.”

My view exactly. The only sound they will hear is the booms as their body explodes at various locations.


43 posted on 09/15/2012 6:33:45 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: smokingfrog

The 930 is a real sleeper in the shotgun market. It’s an American made gas operated semi that can be had for under $500.

I have seriously considered getting one of the 28” barrel walnut stocked target models as a loaner for folks I take to the clays range. (and I am a shotgun snob...) It will cycle soft 1 ounce target loads reliably.

Unless the length of pull was overly long (and being a tactical gun it may have an adjustable buttstock) a small lady who is trained even minimally in how to shoot could handle this gun with the lower recoil self-defense rounds.


44 posted on 09/15/2012 6:46:38 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The clerk said she was “holding the gun wrong” so he may have recognized that the length of pull was too much for her. But that can be easily corrected with some stock modification.


45 posted on 09/15/2012 6:54:19 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Could be, but I highly doubt that the clerks at Wally World know much about shotgun fit.


46 posted on 09/15/2012 7:04:16 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: smokingfrog

Welcome to your gender discrimination lawsuit, Walmart.


47 posted on 09/15/2012 7:07:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: SampleMan
My memory isn't what it used to be and it wasn't that good to begin with, but isn't...

Government stings look just like this. If you are purchasing a firearm as a present (perfectly legal) DO NOT tell the clerk. If you are accompanying your spouse to purchase a firearm, do not be making a lot of statements about which one to purchase.

...that a line on the 4473? (Is this a gift or something like that?)
48 posted on 09/15/2012 7:46:25 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: USS Alaska

Are you a Walmart employee? You sound like a typical liberal. You bring out the insults when you disagree.

I shop elsewhere BECAUSE I hate them. Why else would I shop elsewhere if I don’t hate them. Would it make sense to you if I said “I love Walmart but I don’t shop there”?

And, since the Walmart children are lefties, that gives me a good reason to hate them.

Finally, if you want to hate a company it’s fine with me. I won’t insult you for it and it won’t bother me one bit.


49 posted on 09/15/2012 8:31:55 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Terry Mross
They do price gauging in very weird ways. My mother has no Rx insurance and *very* rarely needs any medications. Its cheaper for her to buy at full price than hassle with Rx insurance. This time she needed some eye drops. Walmart quote was $88.21 for the medicine-- we went to Collier's Drug -- EXACTLY the same prescription (no generic), SAME dosage, SAME manufacturer, $53.00.

I haven't stepped into a Walmart in a long, long time. I think their sparkle is diminishing.

50 posted on 09/15/2012 8:41:27 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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