Skip to comments.I need a water softener but I am not made of money. (vanity, home talk)
Posted on 09/15/2012 4:57:47 PM PDT by cableguymn
We recently bought a home knowing the missing water softener needed to be replaced. We had a chain softener company stop by and pitch us on a 3000 dollar setup.
I said thanks for stopping.
Our water has so much iron it has scrap value. 9 PPM if I remember right. With in a week the toilets are orange in the bowl from rust.
Hardness was a 9.
At our local "guns allowed" hardware store they suggested a unit sold under their name built by waterboss (basically a model 900) however, the reviews on it are anything but good. They are made in the USA but seem to fail and have rude customer service.
What do you suggest?
In other news.. my wife just yelled at me for putting the seat down..
don’t bother calling culligan unless you win the lottery.
You might try a different hardware store. I know Lowes carries some for about $500 but I’m not sure about quality.
Maybe a whole house water filter tapped into your incoming water supply line...
Won’t “soften” the water but might get the gunk out.
Not too expensive, I think...good luck.
My toilets are orange, no kidding. Is it rust? Who knew?
You mean for NOT putting the seat down
We bit the bullet on the three grand one. Paid it off over two years, no interest. Some things you don’t want to skimp on. Over eight years later it’s working well - knock wood.
Embrace the red.
Besides, it won't look quite so bad in the sink when you cut yourself shaving.
Me? I'm scraping calcium deposits out of pans.
Look up Addie Systems. A no frill softener sold through Farm and Fleet - if you have those where you are. If not, they may ship one to you.
I replaced a Culligan with an Addie and it is excellent. $400. Good components. Christian company. We are very pleased.
Don’t fall for the big box brands or magnets or RO or some other malarkey.
Use those cheapo cakes that make the water blue.
Scrub the bowl clean ... I've used a utility knife blade, on edge, successfully.
Buy a bathroom brush and brush the bowl after every use .. piss too.
The blue stuff and the swish of a bowl brush works wonders.
MY wife taught me all this.
(There is no greater expert on bathrooms than a woman)
Just put some magnets on your pipes.
My dad has a Whirlpool (Ecodyne) water softener at his house that I helped him install. It seemed kind of junky to me.
I’ve heard good things about Kinetico, but I think they’re fairly expensive. They may save you money in the long run though.
Did you check out a nuvoH20 system?
I assume you are not on a municipal water system...
Here in the mountains of NE PA we have high Iron so we are on our third Culligan unit. We found the best thing was the rent it and I’m glad we did because they had to change it over twice to get it working. It seems good now the water is much better. We don’t smell like iron. YUCK
I had to put in a new water softner. My son and I bought one at Home depot and he hooked it up himself...not easy but can be done....I wouldn’t pay that amount of money for one.
Go to a local independent.
Ask neighbors or yellow pages.
A good system from generic parts should be about half that quote. About $1500.
A whole house RO system is useless for getting the iron out.
So are attaching magnets to your pipes.
Below is a good forum for your problem.
A 5 gallon bucket works fine for all human waste. A little sawdust for filler and a compost pile at the corner of the yard and you’re good to go. Literally.
dude- buy a unit from Leowe’s and install it yourself
I am glad you tossed out the $3000 salesman - I LOVE tossing salesmen out of my house
I had one a$$ hole try to sell me wondows doe $70 grand- yes my house DOES look like a rich person owns it- but i just got lucky
After I let him think I was going for it I told him “Ok well I am going to get a few more estimates” - he said “Oh well if you order tonight you can get the ‘mamager discount’ at $35K
I let him have it for trying to sell them at 70K and kept hammering him until he was down to $17K at which point I physically picked up his demo unit and told him I was throwing it out the door if he did not leave my house right that second
If the dumbell had started with a reasonable estimate I would have considered it too- it was a great window.
True story. I once knew a guy named Rusty who never seemed to sleep!
Are you just HVAC?
If you use anything that uses salt you are a fool. Those kind of water softeners add sodium to the water which raises your blood pressure and makes your old iron pipes rust out faster. The only kind of softener anyone should get is an R.O. system. That stands for reverse osmosis.
I’ve been in the water biz for 30 years. Deep wells. Our water is only slightly harder than Cleveland’s. And,,,, before the epa, the Ohio Dept. of Health declared our water to one of the best in the state. But,,, every couple of years, there’s a sales attack. These jerks come in and test the water, and tell the people how much better it would be if they just installed their system! Right! Our water far surpasses the epa’s regs. No need for any treatment, much less a $3,000 reverse osmosis deal. But they scare people, specially people who have just moved into the system. Scam! So,,, you have to deal with that aspect.
But, your water is very hard. Tons of iron, and perhaps manganese. We have lots of iron, and iron bacteria, in our water. Used to get red water complaints, and complaints about staining. We started treating the raw water, coming from the wells, and into storage, with a phosphate product called AquaMag. It adjusts the ph, and it ties up the iron molecules, so they can’t combine with oxygen and turn into rust, so no staining. It can be injected into the well also.
Before I’d talk to a hardware salesman,,,, I’d talk to the guy who drilled your well! Good luck!
I bought this one from Sam’s Club for under $400. I’ve owned 5 homes that had various softeners and this is the best. And it is very frugal on salt consumption. Like one bag every 3 months.
Or floor models at local small shops. Or last years’ models.
If this’poster said it’s a good brand and farm and fleet carries it, get it.
Sam’s Club sells a unit. My sister in law works there and says they sell quite a few.
I installed one of the Whirlpool softeners from Lowes in my in laws house a few years ago (not sure of the model number but it was roughly 500.00 at the time I purchased it) It is working fine and was very easy to install.
On my own property I just had the well dug deeper and got passed the iron problems. I still have hard water but don’t have to mess with dragging home 50lb bags of salt .Eventually I will put in one of the systems that uses magnets instead of salt (just hate the idea of having to crawl back under my house to set it up lol so I have been putting it off for years)
Cheapest way to go is with one of the softeners that you have to add salt to but the best way to go in my humble opinion is with one of those systems that uses magnets .
BTW Sno Bowl toilet cleaner will clean those rust stains up in minutes .
We bought the top-of-the-line Kenmore water softener from Sears for $600 and it works like a charm.
With well water, its rust...LOL or someone is really sick in your home....
There is a site called slickdeals.net and put in a “deal alert” - you will be pinged when someone finds a good sale and posts it.
I have noticed Sears prices seem better than others on WS, but haven’t checked it recently and that kind of stuff always changes.
Ancient Chinese secret!
Sounds good...we have well water with some kind of reddish “bloom” that builds up after awhile in the toilets and on the faucets.
I have a water filter on a kitchen faucet for drinking/cooking water but the rest is ok...
Will look into this system.
I had a kenmore unit installed in1997 for $675.00 . I had the seals and gaskets replaced twice. Once sears did it, the second time I replaced. I also have iron in my water but the softner is able to remove it in the treated water. Our toilets are plumbed with non softened water. To handle the iron in that I buy 1 inch pool chlorine tablets and throw two or three in the toilet water tank every two weeks or so. The chorine tabs take care of the rust in the bowls. You can buy the tabs at local pool stores or at some Home Depots.
Our water is equally hard. Hard enough to walk on. We do not have a conditioner because money is tight, too. We scrub. Period.
However, most softeners from national chains store will get the job done with varying levels of efficiency. The backflush for the zeolite core will take more water the cheaper the unit. Sodium levels will be higher and you’ll probably dislike the slimy feel after your showers.
That said, you ought to be able to get the job done for under $1,000.00. Installation is pretty easy if you tap your supply to household plumbing. Separate your yard supply from the house and avoid unnecessary costs where they aren’t needed.
All the damage being done to the pipes, dishwasher, clothes washer and water heater requires a quality piece of equipment. Not to mention the cost if a loose piece of iron destroys just one load of clothes, how much money can be put into a washer in one washing?
Based on your descriptions you basically have a calcium and iron source with a little bit of water mixed in.
Smarten up and bight the bullet, it is always better to buy a quality product once than a piece of crap over and over again.
Form a class action law suit and sue the City for destroying all the homes Plumbing.....
then they will spend Ten Million dollars and soften the entire city supply....
I’ve got hard/rusty well water.
Bought a Whirlpool softener from Lowe’s for about $500, installed it myself last December.
Whoever you buy it from should be able to test your water and tell you what hardness to set the softener for and what proportion of standard salt and anti-iron salt to use.
Mine seems to work fairly well; bathtub doesn’t turn red anymore.
I have a Waterboss 900 that was installed when we built our house. It is tidy, easy to fill and has no issues.
Oh and the water comes out softened.
We get terribly hard water from our well.
The trunks of the trees in my yard are rust-colored, our black basalt garden stones now look like fools’ gold, even the lawn has an orange tint at times.
Inside the house we have one of the big Culligan systems and it was a couple grand plus. And we have to keep on top of it, keep it cleaned and so on, but it really has saved us on fixtures, pipes, clothes, etc.
We also have a really good & reliable Culligan store nearby, which helps.
Buy the Culligan and the service plan and be done with the little hassles in life.
It’s a well.
I have very hard water from our well. I put in a Kinetico and have in on both hard and soft house lines. Solved the problem. All irrigation and outside lines use the hard water from the well. I’ve had the Kinetico for 20 years and just add salt. Worth the cost. I have an under sink RO for coffee and cooking too.
House has no iron pipe. it’s all new pex due to a freeze last winter. thankfully the well pump was off due to no power in the house.
Iron pipes are not a worry.
I have a 75GPD RO filter I use for my saltwater tank. I also use the output before the DI resin for the water dispenser in the fridge. All of our drinking water comes from that tap.
However, it’s been in use for only a week and the primary filter is orange already.
No.. That was the first 3 years of marriage. Today, she had something she wanted to dump in the toilet and I had put the seat down like I was programmed to do.
men just can’t win.
Go to your local grocery store with a couple of 5 gallon bottles and get your drinking water at 25 cents a gallon.
As far as your shower, you can get a cheap filter on it to block the stuff out for 30 bucks I am sure.
Guy who drilled well is dead. Died last year I am told. Well was here when we bought the house. Septic was installed as part of closing the deal because I did my home work and called the county about it.
Well has the pump at the bottom. We are 20 feet above the lake 300 feet away. I doubt my well is very deep. In meeting with and talking with the people around me EVERYONE has the water problems I am having. Some are at 100 feet, one guy was at 425 feet.
Must be a sheet of iron under our homes.
Our “fleet and farm” is a Mills Fleet Farm. They carry rebaged Waterboss pro units. Most everything I have read about waterboss is bad.