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I need a water softener but I am not made of money. (vanity, home talk)
9/15/2012 | myself

Posted on 09/15/2012 4:57:47 PM PDT by cableguymn

We recently bought a home knowing the missing water softener needed to be replaced. We had a chain softener company stop by and pitch us on a 3000 dollar setup.

I said thanks for stopping.

Our water has so much iron it has scrap value. 9 PPM if I remember right. With in a week the toilets are orange in the bowl from rust.

Hardness was a 9.

At our local "guns allowed" hardware store they suggested a unit sold under their name built by waterboss (basically a model 900) however, the reviews on it are anything but good. They are made in the USA but seem to fail and have rude customer service.

What do you suggest?


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1 posted on 09/15/2012 4:57:55 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn

In other news.. my wife just yelled at me for putting the seat down..


2 posted on 09/15/2012 4:59:38 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn

don’t bother calling culligan unless you win the lottery.

You might try a different hardware store. I know Lowes carries some for about $500 but I’m not sure about quality.


3 posted on 09/15/2012 4:59:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cableguymn

Maybe a whole house water filter tapped into your incoming water supply line...
Won’t “soften” the water but might get the gunk out.
Not too expensive, I think...good luck.


4 posted on 09/15/2012 5:02:32 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: cableguymn

My toilets are orange, no kidding. Is it rust? Who knew?


5 posted on 09/15/2012 5:03:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: cableguymn

You mean for NOT putting the seat down


6 posted on 09/15/2012 5:04:42 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: cableguymn

We bit the bullet on the three grand one. Paid it off over two years, no interest. Some things you don’t want to skimp on. Over eight years later it’s working well - knock wood.


7 posted on 09/15/2012 5:05:06 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: cableguymn
Pretend that you are on Mars. Iron oxide is everywhere there.

Embrace the red.

Besides, it won't look quite so bad in the sink when you cut yourself shaving.

Me? I'm scraping calcium deposits out of pans.

/johnny

8 posted on 09/15/2012 5:05:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cableguymn

9 posted on 09/15/2012 5:06:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: cableguymn

Look up Addie Systems. A no frill softener sold through Farm and Fleet - if you have those where you are. If not, they may ship one to you.

I replaced a Culligan with an Addie and it is excellent. $400. Good components. Christian company. We are very pleased.

Don’t fall for the big box brands or magnets or RO or some other malarkey.


10 posted on 09/15/2012 5:07:37 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: Revolting cat!
Yep .. iron water.

Use those cheapo cakes that make the water blue.


Scrub the bowl clean ... I've used a utility knife blade, on edge, successfully.

Buy a bathroom brush and brush the bowl after every use .. piss too.

The blue stuff and the swish of a bowl brush works wonders.
MY wife taught me all this.


(There is no greater expert on bathrooms than a woman)

11 posted on 09/15/2012 5:09:21 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: cableguymn

Just put some magnets on your pipes.

My dad has a Whirlpool (Ecodyne) water softener at his house that I helped him install. It seemed kind of junky to me.

I’ve heard good things about Kinetico, but I think they’re fairly expensive. They may save you money in the long run though.


12 posted on 09/15/2012 5:09:44 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: cableguymn

Did you check out a nuvoH20 system?
http://www.nuvoh2o.com/?source=gg-branded&gclid=COOpy6rnuLICFQTznAodBl4A7w


13 posted on 09/15/2012 5:11:03 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: cableguymn

I assume you are not on a municipal water system...


14 posted on 09/15/2012 5:11:08 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: cableguymn

Here in the mountains of NE PA we have high Iron so we are on our third Culligan unit. We found the best thing was the rent it and I’m glad we did because they had to change it over twice to get it working. It seems good now the water is much better. We don’t smell like iron. YUCK


15 posted on 09/15/2012 5:14:02 PM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: cableguymn

I had to put in a new water softner. My son and I bought one at Home depot and he hooked it up himself...not easy but can be done....I wouldn’t pay that amount of money for one.


16 posted on 09/15/2012 5:17:23 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: cableguymn

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/catalog/servlet/Search?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&keyword=water%20softener&Ns=None&Ntpr=1&Ntpc=1&selectedCatgry=SEARCH+ALL


17 posted on 09/15/2012 5:20:15 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: cableguymn

Go to a local independent.

Ask neighbors or yellow pages.

A good system from generic parts should be about half that quote. About $1500.

A whole house RO system is useless for getting the iron out.

So are attaching magnets to your pipes.

Below is a good forum for your problem.

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/plumbing/


18 posted on 09/15/2012 5:20:22 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: knarf; Revolting cat!

A 5 gallon bucket works fine for all human waste. A little sawdust for filler and a compost pile at the corner of the yard and you’re good to go. Literally.


19 posted on 09/15/2012 5:21:10 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden: "HOPE and CHAINS for all 57 states".)
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To: cableguymn

dude- buy a unit from Leowe’s and install it yourself

I am glad you tossed out the $3000 salesman - I LOVE tossing salesmen out of my house

I had one a$$ hole try to sell me wondows doe $70 grand- yes my house DOES look like a rich person owns it- but i just got lucky

After I let him think I was going for it I told him “Ok well I am going to get a few more estimates” - he said “Oh well if you order tonight you can get the ‘mamager discount’ at $35K

I let him have it for trying to sell them at 70K and kept hammering him until he was down to $17K at which point I physically picked up his demo unit and told him I was throwing it out the door if he did not leave my house right that second

If the dumbell had started with a reasonable estimate I would have considered it too- it was a great window.


20 posted on 09/15/2012 5:21:10 PM PDT by Mr. K (Reagan: “Washington is where good ideas go to die.”)
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To: cableguymn; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

True story. I once knew a guy named Rusty who never seemed to sleep!


21 posted on 09/15/2012 5:23:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: A.Hun

Are you just HVAC?


22 posted on 09/15/2012 5:23:58 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: cableguymn

If you use anything that uses salt you are a fool. Those kind of water softeners add sodium to the water which raises your blood pressure and makes your old iron pipes rust out faster. The only kind of softener anyone should get is an R.O. system. That stands for reverse osmosis.


23 posted on 09/15/2012 5:24:33 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: matginzac

I’ve been in the water biz for 30 years. Deep wells. Our water is only slightly harder than Cleveland’s. And,,,, before the epa, the Ohio Dept. of Health declared our water to one of the best in the state. But,,, every couple of years, there’s a sales attack. These jerks come in and test the water, and tell the people how much better it would be if they just installed their system! Right! Our water far surpasses the epa’s regs. No need for any treatment, much less a $3,000 reverse osmosis deal. But they scare people, specially people who have just moved into the system. Scam! So,,, you have to deal with that aspect.

But, your water is very hard. Tons of iron, and perhaps manganese. We have lots of iron, and iron bacteria, in our water. Used to get red water complaints, and complaints about staining. We started treating the raw water, coming from the wells, and into storage, with a phosphate product called AquaMag. It adjusts the ph, and it ties up the iron molecules, so they can’t combine with oxygen and turn into rust, so no staining. It can be injected into the well also.

Before I’d talk to a hardware salesman,,,, I’d talk to the guy who drilled your well! Good luck!


24 posted on 09/15/2012 5:26:37 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Mr. K

I bought this one from Sam’s Club for under $400. I’ve owned 5 homes that had various softeners and this is the best. And it is very frugal on salt consumption. Like one bag every 3 months.


25 posted on 09/15/2012 5:27:29 PM PDT by american_ranger
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To: cableguymn

Craigslist.

Or floor models at local small shops. Or last years’ models.


26 posted on 09/15/2012 5:27:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: arkady_renko

If this’poster said it’s a good brand and farm and fleet carries it, get it.


27 posted on 09/15/2012 5:29:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Sam’s Club sells a unit. My sister in law works there and says they sell quite a few.


28 posted on 09/15/2012 5:30:52 PM PDT by nurees (Oh...there is a NEW Mexico (Homer Simpson))
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To: cableguymn

I installed one of the Whirlpool softeners from Lowes in my in laws house a few years ago (not sure of the model number but it was roughly 500.00 at the time I purchased it) It is working fine and was very easy to install.

On my own property I just had the well dug deeper and got passed the iron problems. I still have hard water but don’t have to mess with dragging home 50lb bags of salt .Eventually I will put in one of the systems that uses magnets instead of salt (just hate the idea of having to crawl back under my house to set it up lol so I have been putting it off for years)

Cheapest way to go is with one of the softeners that you have to add salt to but the best way to go in my humble opinion is with one of those systems that uses magnets .

BTW Sno Bowl toilet cleaner will clean those rust stains up in minutes .


29 posted on 09/15/2012 5:31:07 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: cableguymn

We bought the top-of-the-line Kenmore water softener from Sears for $600 and it works like a charm.


30 posted on 09/15/2012 5:32:56 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Revolting cat!

With well water, its rust...LOL or someone is really sick in your home....


31 posted on 09/15/2012 5:32:56 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: cableguymn

There is a site called slickdeals.net and put in a “deal alert” - you will be pinged when someone finds a good sale and posts it.

I have noticed Sears prices seem better than others on WS, but haven’t checked it recently and that kind of stuff always changes.


32 posted on 09/15/2012 5:33:22 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: cableguymn

Ancient Chinese secret!

http://youtu.be/ZjNRXfRXnoc


33 posted on 09/15/2012 5:33:52 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Sounds good...we have well water with some kind of reddish “bloom” that builds up after awhile in the toilets and on the faucets.
I have a water filter on a kitchen faucet for drinking/cooking water but the rest is ok...
Will look into this system.


34 posted on 09/15/2012 5:33:56 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: cableguymn

I had a kenmore unit installed in1997 for $675.00 . I had the seals and gaskets replaced twice. Once sears did it, the second time I replaced. I also have iron in my water but the softner is able to remove it in the treated water. Our toilets are plumbed with non softened water. To handle the iron in that I buy 1 inch pool chlorine tablets and throw two or three in the toilet water tank every two weeks or so. The chorine tabs take care of the rust in the bowls. You can buy the tabs at local pool stores or at some Home Depots.


35 posted on 09/15/2012 5:41:47 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: cableguymn

Our water is equally hard. Hard enough to walk on. We do not have a conditioner because money is tight, too. We scrub. Period.

However, most softeners from national chains store will get the job done with varying levels of efficiency. The backflush for the zeolite core will take more water the cheaper the unit. Sodium levels will be higher and you’ll probably dislike the slimy feel after your showers.

That said, you ought to be able to get the job done for under $1,000.00. Installation is pretty easy if you tap your supply to household plumbing. Separate your yard supply from the house and avoid unnecessary costs where they aren’t needed.


36 posted on 09/15/2012 5:47:01 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: cableguymn
If you have that much iron in your water, you are going to need an expensive water softener designed to remove large amounts of iron. A $3,000 unit sounds about right for a model to remove that kind of iron.

All the damage being done to the pipes, dishwasher, clothes washer and water heater requires a quality piece of equipment. Not to mention the cost if a loose piece of iron destroys just one load of clothes, how much money can be put into a washer in one washing?

Based on your descriptions you basically have a calcium and iron source with a little bit of water mixed in.

Smarten up and bight the bullet, it is always better to buy a quality product once than a piece of crap over and over again.

37 posted on 09/15/2012 5:57:57 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Thanks


38 posted on 09/15/2012 6:32:52 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: cableguymn

Form a class action law suit and sue the City for destroying all the homes Plumbing.....

then they will spend Ten Million dollars and soften the entire city supply....

Problem Fixed.


39 posted on 09/15/2012 6:34:17 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: cableguymn

I’ve got hard/rusty well water.

Bought a Whirlpool softener from Lowe’s for about $500, installed it myself last December.

Whoever you buy it from should be able to test your water and tell you what hardness to set the softener for and what proportion of standard salt and anti-iron salt to use.

Mine seems to work fairly well; bathtub doesn’t turn red anymore.


40 posted on 09/15/2012 6:39:28 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: cableguymn

I have a Waterboss 900 that was installed when we built our house. It is tidy, easy to fill and has no issues.

Oh and the water comes out softened.


41 posted on 09/15/2012 6:49:08 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I have a new zest for life!"--Calvin from Las Vegas)
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To: Jim from C-Town; cableguymn

We get terribly hard water from our well.

The trunks of the trees in my yard are rust-colored, our black basalt garden stones now look like fools’ gold, even the lawn has an orange tint at times.

Inside the house we have one of the big Culligan systems and it was a couple grand plus. And we have to keep on top of it, keep it cleaned and so on, but it really has saved us on fixtures, pipes, clothes, etc.

We also have a really good & reliable Culligan store nearby, which helps.


42 posted on 09/15/2012 7:01:59 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey
My point exactly. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. People complain about the price of a good piece of equipment yet will spend thousands extra to buy a specific nameplate car or hundreds on a dress that they wear one time.

Buy the Culligan and the service plan and be done with the little hassles in life.

43 posted on 09/15/2012 7:38:35 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: LtKerst

It’s a well.


44 posted on 09/15/2012 7:44:46 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn

I have very hard water from our well. I put in a Kinetico and have in on both hard and soft house lines. Solved the problem. All irrigation and outside lines use the hard water from the well. I’ve had the Kinetico for 20 years and just add salt. Worth the cost. I have an under sink RO for coffee and cooking too.


45 posted on 09/15/2012 8:02:18 PM PDT by Claytonbridge
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To: mamelukesabre

House has no iron pipe. it’s all new pex due to a freeze last winter. thankfully the well pump was off due to no power in the house.

Iron pipes are not a worry.

I have a 75GPD RO filter I use for my saltwater tank. I also use the output before the DI resin for the water dispenser in the fridge. All of our drinking water comes from that tap.

However, it’s been in use for only a week and the primary filter is orange already.


46 posted on 09/15/2012 8:47:18 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: knarf

No.. That was the first 3 years of marriage. Today, she had something she wanted to dump in the toilet and I had put the seat down like I was programmed to do.

men just can’t win.


47 posted on 09/15/2012 8:48:56 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn

Go to your local grocery store with a couple of 5 gallon bottles and get your drinking water at 25 cents a gallon.

As far as your shower, you can get a cheap filter on it to block the stuff out for 30 bucks I am sure.


48 posted on 09/15/2012 8:54:28 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Guy who drilled well is dead. Died last year I am told. Well was here when we bought the house. Septic was installed as part of closing the deal because I did my home work and called the county about it.

Well has the pump at the bottom. We are 20 feet above the lake 300 feet away. I doubt my well is very deep. In meeting with and talking with the people around me EVERYONE has the water problems I am having. Some are at 100 feet, one guy was at 425 feet.

Must be a sheet of iron under our homes.


49 posted on 09/15/2012 8:54:43 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Secret Agent Man

Our “fleet and farm” is a Mills Fleet Farm. They carry rebaged Waterboss pro units. Most everything I have read about waterboss is bad.


50 posted on 09/15/2012 8:56:12 PM PDT by cableguymn
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