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Steve Ballmer: There's no doubt Windows 8 will be a success (Official Release October 2012)
NBC News ^ | 09/17/2012 | Todd Bishop

Posted on 09/17/2012 6:23:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is convinced that Windows 8 will be a winner, he doesn’t seem too impressed with Amazon’s Kindle Fire, and he expects Microsoft to build on its core capability in software to become more of a “devices and services” company in the next five to 10 years.

Those are a few of the takeaways from a wide-ranging interview with Ballmer published online by the Seattle Times Saturday evening, providing some insights into the Microsoft CEO’s mindset as the company prepares for the pivotal launch of Windows 8 this fall.

At one point in the interview, Seattle Times reporter Janet Tu asked Ballmer what Microsoft will do if Windows 8 doesn’t take off. Ballmer said he doesn’t have any doubt that it will do well.

“I’m not paid to have doubts,” he said.

Of course, Ballmer wants strike a confident tone in public, but his comments as published don’t acknowledge the huge risk that Microsoft is taking by overhauling the default Windows 8 interface to make the operating system work better on tablets.

In my experience, Windows 8 works well as a tablet operating system, but I believe Microsoft executives are underestimating the potential for a backlash from users of Windows 8 on traditional desktop computers, where the experience can be highly disorienting.

Amazon’s Kindle Fire came up during the interview as part of an exchange about tablet pricing. Talking about lower-priced 7-inch tablets, the Microsoft CEO asked rhetorically if anyone would ever use the Kindle Fire to do homework.

He said, “The answer is no; you never would. It’s just not a good enough product. It doesn’t mean you might not read a book on it.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: ballmer; microsoft; windows8
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1 posted on 09/17/2012 6:23:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows 8 provides the EXACT same desktop I have used for years. Just click on it!. Everything installed on my Dell XPS15 works!

This is ignorance by the reporters.


2 posted on 09/17/2012 6:28:28 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bagdahd Ballmer propaganda.


3 posted on 09/17/2012 6:35:02 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Say what you want about Ballmer, but the man is more colorful and more of a clown than Bill Gates ever was. See his now classic : MONKEY DANCE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc


4 posted on 09/17/2012 6:37:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is going to be a collosal disaster for Microsoft. It’s awful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU


5 posted on 09/17/2012 6:39:32 AM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having been a windows user since version 3.0’ I think Microsoft makes too many changes, just for the sake of change.

Once users get past the learning curve of each new iteration of Windows, and get their production back up to speed, their servers updated, and figures out which of their customers have what version of Windows, for backwards compatibility of communications and documents, along comes still another new version of everything.

Take the newer “ribbon” that replaced the standard menus in MS Office, now I had the old menu system down pat, there was nothing I couldn’t do in Word and Excel, now with the new versions, it’s hunt and peck all over again. The whole conceptualization is gone.

And the, there’s the “library” filing system, very confusing for those who cut their teeth on the file and directory method. Duplicates everywhere, copies of files that I didn’t copy. I hate it.

Of course, I’m an old guy, and us old guys aren’t as fanatical about “change” as our younger counterparts, so maybe that’s the problem.

So far, what I’ve seen and read about Windows 8 , I want no part of it.


6 posted on 09/17/2012 6:39:39 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: SeekAndFind
For those who dislike the Metro interface there is more than one way to disable the interface. My problem with Win8, as mentioned in an earlier thread, is not the Metro interface. It's the fact that I have had problems with the system not shutting down/restarting. I have to pull the plug and laptop battery to get the system turned off. A Google search shows others have experienced this as well.
7 posted on 09/17/2012 6:41:13 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: BillM
Windows 8 provides the EXACT same desktop I have used for years. Just click on it!. Everything installed on my Dell XPS15 works!

I know some people who have downloaded the beta test/development versions. Every one of them quickly switched to the traditional interface. They've got work to do and Microsoft's new interface got in the way of that. I expect that Google's top search term will be something like "revert windows 8 interface" when it hits the street.

Talking about lower-priced 7-inch tablets, the Microsoft CEO asked rhetorically if anyone would ever use the Kindle Fire to do homework.

Two words: Key Board. Add a real keyboard and most tablets have more than enough power to run the word processor/spreadsheet/internet browser you need for just about all homework. Would a 10-inch (or 13 or 17 or 26) screen be better? Yes, but the lack of a keyboard is the killer for entering info on a tablet.

And thinking about it, a tablet would be a great use for the virtual laser keyboard I saw a few years ago. It projects a keyboard on the desk and can detect where you are typing. The only thing missing is the feedback the keys give.

8 posted on 09/17/2012 6:44:03 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Y’all let me know how you like it. It’s getting about time to build a new desktop, and I’ll either go with Win 7 or 8. XP has been great, but since I’ve been using Win 7 on the laptop, I’ve decided to move on.


9 posted on 09/17/2012 6:44:20 AM PDT by pallis
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To: FrankR

RE: Having been a windows user since version 3.0’ I think Microsoft makes too many changes, just for the sake of change.

I don’t think Windows 8 is “change for the sake of change”. This time, Microsoft recognizes that it can’t rest on past laurels with Apple, Amazon and Google creating the next wave of products AWAY from the Desktop ( which Microsoft still dominates).

Windows 8 is supposed to be the Operating System that runs on ALL devices, giving developers a uniform OS to work with -— Smart phones, Tablets, Gaming Consoles, Desktops and Servers.

Whether this be-all-to-every-platform OS will succeed remains to be seen. But no, I don’t think this is change for the sake of change. This is fighting for survival.


10 posted on 09/17/2012 6:44:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: pallis

RE: XP has been great, but since I’ve been using Win 7 on the laptop

There will be no more XP support from Microsoft by the time Obamacare fully kicks in... that will be 2014.


11 posted on 09/17/2012 6:45:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind

The last thing I want to see on my laptop is something that looks like it came off an ATM or cell phone.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 6:45:54 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: BillM

Hey! How did you get a copy? It says “October”.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 6:47:14 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

14 posted on 09/17/2012 6:47:39 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

The casual email or web page user might adapt easily to Win8, but hardcore user, used to multi-tasking on multiple screens will resist.

My main complaint with the Release Preview is that I need to concentrate on the software development or system administration tasks at hand, and not have to think about the UI components that support them. I typically have 2 24” monitors, with 15 - 20 windows open that I’m switching between. Win8 does not seem conducive to this.


15 posted on 09/17/2012 6:49:43 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: BillM

Which preview version are you running? Because my staff and I had a good laugh - and shared some dread - over the first two preview versions.

At least with the first preview there was a registry hack to bring the Start button back but MS removed it in the second release.

And the design of the system settings interfacing was - like every new MS OS release - one layer worse than the last release. MS programmers are lazy and do not update the entire OS to the new shell style.

Which is absolutely idiotic because one or two properly written APIs would take care of it. They just don’t want to deal with it.

So when you start digging around the Control Panel, you end up encountering interface designs from Win95/98...2000...XP...7...and now, bits and pieces are Metro. For IT professionals, it’s a constant annoyance.

To their credit, Apple does a terrific job of keeping their control interfaces unified.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 6:53:48 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny ("Insulting" Islam is as impossible as casting aspersions on a pile of dog crap.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

We’re MSDN developers.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 6:53:48 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t they say the same thing about Vista?


18 posted on 09/17/2012 6:53:49 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Lee'sGhost

There have been pre-release versions out for some time. The most recent is the Release Preview. It’s available for download at Microsoft.com.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 6:57:59 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: bcsco
It's the fact that I have had problems with the system not shutting down/restarting. I have to pull the plug and laptop battery to get the system turned off.

You would want to shut down Windows?


20 posted on 09/17/2012 6:59:38 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1337 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: FrankR
Frank, I suggest you look into Open Office. Its free and does everything MS Office does, in a much smaller package.
It is completely compatible with all of the MS Office programs and much easier to use.
I looked into it 2 years ago when I was faced with updating 3 computers in my office and saw how much a new copy of MS Office cost.
I made the switch to Open Office and have not had one problem or any regrets.

It also is not the computer resource hog that MS Office is. And unlike MS Office, it does not 'take-over' your computer.

Open Office <- - link.
21 posted on 09/17/2012 7:00:43 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: FrankR

Oh, and I still use XP Pro SP3....;)


22 posted on 09/17/2012 7:02:01 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: null and void
You would want to shut down Windows?

LOL! Yep, I would. I have Win8 as a dual boot along with Win7. I play around in Win8, but do my work in Win7. For the first few days everything was fine. But last Friday I started having problems shutting down Win8, or trying to reboot into Win7. I hit shutdown or reboot and it goes right back to the Metro screen. At times it begins the shutdown process, but goes to a black screen and the laptop is still powered. Nothing allows the system to shut down completely, nor can I get back to the Win8 desktop. I have to pull the plug and battery.

A Google search shows others have had the problem as well. So, I'm staying away from it for now.

23 posted on 09/17/2012 7:05:29 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems they are leaning to appease the gamesters, rather than those who use the computer to make a living.

People who write for a living, or use spreadsheets, or develop presentations, don’t need to be futzing around trying to figure out new interfaces all the time, they need to concentrate on their work.

At least they could offer an add in for folks who want the classic, productive, interface.

Availability and compatibility were two of the factors that drove Windows to be the OS of choice around the world. As a believer in “dance with the one who brung you”, MS shouldn’t mess with that basic concept.

I understand their desire to keep up in the marketplace, however, the marketplace is not “one size fits all”. Even Henry Ford saw the advantage in making more than one model.


24 posted on 09/17/2012 7:06:22 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Tainan

Thanks, I’ll look into it.


25 posted on 09/17/2012 7:08:26 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Tainan
Frank, I suggest you look into Open Office. Its free and does everything MS Office does, in a much smaller package.

Unfortunately, Open Office does NOT do everything Office does, and even some of what it does do, it does wrong (and I'm comparing it to Office '97). Believe me, I want it to be good, but there are a lot of features in Office it doesn't replicate.

26 posted on 09/17/2012 7:10:25 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Tainan

The only caveat I’d throw in about OpenOffice (which I use on Windows, Mac, and Linux) is that while it can exchange files with MS Office, you have to be careful with anything that’s layout-dependent. OpenOffice and MS Office don’t always render documents exactly the same, so you have to be careful with forms, etc., especially those that push the limits of what fits on a page.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 7:13:55 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: FrankR

Nerds and techies still seem to prefer Windows XP Pro


28 posted on 09/17/2012 7:14:12 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: bcsco

I’ve been using Win8 for a few months now. I initially reacted negatively to the learning curve, but I could not deny the better frame rates and benchmarks I was getting.

I went back to Win7 after a week and figured I’d skip this release, before finally breaking down and-reinstalling it. My second run with it I took the time to really learn all the little shortcuts and tricks and began to find the things that really impress me about the OS.

Now I keep my Windows 7 array alive and well on a pair of disconnected disks (in case of emergency, break glass) but have found no compelling reason to go back to it, and several to stay with 8. Fortunately, I’ve had none of the shutdown issues (I suspect that’s related to power management, and changing to high performance mode, or disabling Hibernate will work around it).

I also found the aesthetic to be nice once I figured out how to customize and organize the Start screen. It truly is a slick, if somewhat schizophrenic OS that will bridge the gap from the older NT-style interface to an active desktop future.

In my mind, there are only two items Microsoft really has to solve: The first is making Metro friendlier to multitasking and multiple windows (in Metro), and the second phasing out the old fallback desktop as a stopgap to solve item 1.

Otherwise, this really is a stellar OS with just a slightly steeper learning curve.


29 posted on 09/17/2012 7:15:28 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: Still Thinking
Sorry to hear of Open Office falling short of your needs. I can only speak for my experience using it, daily, for the last two years.
I send docs from OO to MS Word clients daily and have never had a problem with compatibility...yet.
There is a short learning curve in getting used to it;but the more I use it, the better I find it.

I just got sick of S Office taking over my computer and the price for new editions.
OO works for me. I encourage others to take a look at it and see if it meets their needs.

I also recommend a free picture program named PhotScape.
30 posted on 09/17/2012 7:17:43 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: kevkrom
Thanks for the tip. So far, I have not run into that problem on my end receiving form docs.
Since I rarely, I mean very rarely, create forms nobody has mentioned a problem with any I've sent.
31 posted on 09/17/2012 7:20:30 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

The casual user who doesn’t play games and just wants to surf the web should use linux, its free too


32 posted on 09/17/2012 7:21:37 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Still Thinking
Sorry:

PhotScape => PhotoScape
33 posted on 09/17/2012 7:23:00 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Tainan

I tried taking an online class and there were a few things I needed that OO didn’t do. But since I stopped, I wondered why I paid so much for MS Office.

Last week my harddrive died and now I use Ubuntu 12.04 and I like it fine, I wish there were more games though. lol.

WarZone2100 is a bit addicting


34 posted on 09/17/2012 7:43:33 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Heavyrunner

One of the threads regarding the shutdown issue in Win8 mentioned it possibly being caused by laptops with imbedded SD card readers. If there’s no card in the reader, it may be hanging up on that drive. Seems goofy, but my laptop does have an imbedded SD card slot. I’m going to reboot Win8 with a card in the slot and see what happens.

As for Win8 in general, I’m comfortable with it. A couple days of fooling around in Metro, changing icons, reorganizing the layout, and I’m happy. There are some issues to be sure, but nothing beyond the shutdown problem that makes it a turnoff...


35 posted on 09/17/2012 7:44:51 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: SeekAndFind

this on the day that yahoo, an ms bing partner, is dumping all blackberrys and move all employees to google and iphone based phones.

Yahoo employees should all be getting win 8 phones. This is another marketing blunder.


36 posted on 09/17/2012 7:47:07 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

If history is a good indicator, I’ll wait for Windows 9 SP1.


37 posted on 09/17/2012 7:48:53 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: SeekAndFind

You know, some of these guys are like veteran football coaches. At some point in their careers, the game passes them by. Chuck Knox, Tom Landry, Mike Ditka could not adapt to the changing game, but they were too venerable to take a demotion, so they had to leave.

Steve Ballmer is one of those.


38 posted on 09/17/2012 7:58:41 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I have a new zest for life!"--Calvin from Las Vegas)
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To: Heavyrunner

I’m back in Win8. I’ve managed three shutdown/restarts with an SD card in the slot. No problem. If this is all it is, big deal. I’m happy.


39 posted on 09/17/2012 7:58:45 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: GeronL

Lol.. and I thought I was the only one still playing that ;)


40 posted on 09/17/2012 8:38:21 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: Bikkuri

lol.

Facebook and Google browser games are all I really have as an alternative. hah


41 posted on 09/17/2012 8:41:50 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

After 3 months and thousands of web site researches.. I FINALLY got World of Warcraft to work on Mint... (On Windows I was getting up to 160 FPS on a good day.. down to no less than 40 on a bad day).
FPS, using Wine: 2-5 >.< (and no sound:\ ) ... I installed on a Virtual Drive of Win 7 (and Win 7 booted and ran faster than an actual install :o ) .. BUT, I could never get WoW to run :/ not much choice for games :/


42 posted on 09/17/2012 8:47:09 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: GeronL

“Nerds and techies still seem to prefer Windows XP Pro”

I’m not a nerd or a techie although I used to be, and I’m hanging on to our old desktop with XP like grim death. One laptop has Vista (God help us all), the netbook has Win 7, and the new desktop has Win 7. So many of my favorite applications aren’t recognized by the newer versions and won’t even load. I’m grieving the loss of my WordPerfect 12 program.


43 posted on 09/17/2012 8:51:16 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: SeekAndFind

Bigger than Vista, bigger than the Zune!!!


44 posted on 09/17/2012 9:18:32 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: SeekAndFind
Obamacare fully kicks in... that will be 2014

That sucker better be repealed by then.

45 posted on 09/17/2012 12:26:54 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: BillM

Not quite exact, they got rid of the start button. But really that and a dramatically improved search are the only real differences between 7 and 8. And that’s actually pretty impressive because the search in 7 is really good. Yeah that default initial “tablet” screen is pretty ugly, but easy to get rid of and land back at a proper desktop.


46 posted on 09/17/2012 12:33:39 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: ShadowAce; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; ...
And the survey says...?

Go with Windows 8 or if not then what?

I'm a low tech guy with Windows 7 I think. (Where do I go to confirm which version of Windows I'm using?) I have a standard 2009 Sony Vaio laptop and doubt (but don't know) if it has this SD card slot (whatever that is).

47 posted on 09/17/2012 12:38:46 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Tainan

Yeah, I haven’t had any document compatibility problems with OO, it’s editing features that I use constantly in Office, have been doing so for a decade or so, that don’t exist in OO. That and the stupid shared recent document list between all OO apps.


48 posted on 09/17/2012 3:28:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you have to tell the media there’s no doubt, then clearly there is doubt, otherwise it would be unnecessary.

Steve Ballmer isn’t the brightest bull in the china shop, is he?


49 posted on 09/17/2012 3:36:49 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GeronL

Win XP SP3 is what my family used. None even like Win7 in my house, so they’ve fallen in love with Apple.

I use openSUSE 12.2/Slackware.

For the first time in my life, I own a Windows-free house.

Didn’t see that coming...


50 posted on 09/17/2012 8:41:53 PM PDT by rdb3 (Democrats: Once a slave owner, ALWAYS a slave owner!)
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