Skip to comments.X marks the spot: Walter Elliot on his use of ancient art of divination
Posted on 09/17/2012 11:50:46 AM PDT by Renfield
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My wife's uncle used to help out at old cemeteries, divining for lost grave sites. Apparently it worked.
Silliness, i can walk around half of the great plains with two sticks and say “dig here”. Guess what? They’ll hit the water table.
This is about as scientific as using a pocketwatch pendulum over a pregnant woman to guess the sex, or reading tea leaves.
My well was witched. He was off by 5’ in dept,spot on in gallons per minute. Fascinating.
I can remember my grandfather deciding where to put the new well for his house using a “Y” from a willow.
when he hit the spot where the well actually ended up the ends in his hands twisted the bark off as the “witch” bent to the ground.
he could find a water or sewer pipe anyplace.
My well was witched. He was off by 5’ in dept,spot on in gallons per minute. Fascinating.
And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.
It’s hocus pocus nonsense, like a ouija board.
I have seen scientific studies. When the “diviner” is blindfolded, the results are at best random.
If it really works, then it should be easily proven by having the practioner walk over a few test surfaces,,including one or two control beds with nothing in them at all.
Of course, then we’ll be told it was a prepared course, and the rods can only discern natural situations, not the others or some such excuse. This is New Orleans crystal ball fortune telling for old geezers. This is ESP.
This sounds like global warming science. Absolutely no requirement to follow the scientific method. Add in a compete denial of physical science, and just say “it works”.
Needle and thread? I want to believe you are not serious. Please say you are not serious.
Not at all nonsense. Almost ANYONE can do it, except, I think, you. Myself, I dowsed an entire old lost water system. Accurately. I use metal coat hangers.
I have used metal witching sticks to find underground lines. It works. Have you tried it?
By all means bring your skills to the Amazing Randi and a check for $1 millioin dollars awaits you
I don't know why a wood stick would work though. And definitely talking to the stick is weird.
“This is about as scientific as using a pocketwatch pendulum over a pregnant woman to guess the sex”
The pocket watch pendulum works. Only deniers would say otherwise. Every time it’s tried it works, with 100% accuracy. Every pregnant woman it’s been tried with has been proven to be a female.
“It works. Have you tried it?”
No, been too busy with astrology and in my Alchemy lab. I’ll get to the other medieval magic soon as i can though.
Oops, gotta run, my favorite medium is telling me that my dead uncle wants to chat.
It’s an electromagnetic response, and it’s well validated. All you have to do is look at the human body as an electromagnetic detection system, a magnifier if you will. That’s why blindfolding the dowser is bunk - how do you know that’s not part of it? Why should it be excluded? Who cares if the entire body and all the senses are magnified by the extension of the rods? Are seismographs bunk because the needles won’t move if you isolate the mechanism? Bah.
I’ll tell you why this is suppressed - because mainstream science doesn’t want to acknowledge sensitivities of the human body, or the limits of the technological applications of the scientific method. The idea is that in a thousand years, people will just be blobs of jello inside technological extrensions of the body that can be controlled by access to the “cloud” of the time. Realities of the abilities of the actual human body without technology - like dowsing, or meditation, or psi - get in the way of that. In fact, they sabotage it. After all, whether physical, mental, emotional, psychic or spiritual, you can’t have people thinking they can develop themselves through personal exploration and effort! That gets in the way of the developing collective!
“Ill tell you why this is suppressed - because mainstream science doesnt want to acknowledge sensitivities of the human body, or the limits of the technological applications of the scientific method. The idea is that in a thousand years, people will just be blobs of jello inside technological extrensions of the body that can be controlled by access to the cloud of the time. Realities of the abilities of the actual human body without technology - like dowsing, or meditation, or psi - get in the way of that. In fact, they sabotage it. After all, whether physical, mental, emotional, psychic or spiritual, you cant have people thinking they can develop themselves through personal exploration and effort! That gets in the way of the developing collective!”
Dude, you got some pineapple express?
If you don’t believe in gifts beyond rational explanation, then you don’t believe in the salvation of God.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Atheists, go your way.
All I can say is you must have never seen it done.
A pastor friend of mine was "run out of town" for interfering with water witching. He was pastoring a church someplace in New England where ground water is hard to locate and most of the local drillers used rods. Some of the fellows in the church were troubled by it, so they along with the pastor decided to "test the spirits." To accomplish this, they prayed together once a week that if the witching was the result of the action of unclean spirits that it would fail to work. Lo and behold, almost immediately the well drillers started having trouble finding water. Somehow they found out about the prayer group and then things got real ugly-fires, broken windows, gunshots at night, dead pets, you name it. The pastor ended up fleeing the state.
True story. And it happend in the 1970's, not the 1790's.
A little TOO happy, I think.
Jack Nicholson, Easy Rider, the pot-induced Venutian conspiracy speech.
I use a dowser made of copper tubing to witch for Double Eagles.
The most I've ever found was a Garcia Y Vega cigar box full of them in my neighbor's abandoned cistern.
Haven't figured out what to do with them yet.
So in your world, (and welcome to FR) if someone rejects Oija boards, ESP, and water witching,, you are an athiest?
Do ecplises scare you?
But one has to be wary of abilities beyond rational explanation that might have dark forces behind them.
I definitely would put the Ouija Board in that category. Divining, not so much, especially given the Bible passage quoted earlier.
Are you more knowledgable about locating underground lines than someone who does it professionally every day? If so, please state your credentials. We're all eager to hear them.
That’s an interesting story. I told above about my wife’s uncle witching for lost graves, and my wife’s father, learning the craft from his brother but never using it, taught it to me one day. Although the rods did move without my perceived intervention (we walked my front lawn and the rods crossed whenever I passed over a known water line), the whole thing did give me that ‘Ouija Board’ vibe, IOW I felt that I was dealing with something I really shouldn’t be dealing with. Tossed the rods (bent coat hangers) and never did it again.
That may be all fine and well, but can it explain map dowsing? Several times I witnessed a fellow seated in a comfortable chair in a downtown office use a roadmap and a pendulum to locate hidden foundations and culverts on a long-abandoned parcel fifty miles away.
I can think of a spiritual explanaton for map dowsing, but not a scientific one.
When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead" (Deuteronomy 18:9-11).
Divining with rods is a form of divination. And, you can see what the Bible lumps that in with.
There is zero scientific evidence that there is any physical mechanism behind divining. So, if there isn't a physical mechanism, then what kind of mechanism makes divining work? The only possible type left is a supernatural mechanism.
In other words, "if" divining works (and I put if in quotes, because I personally believe most people involved in this are simply frauds), then the only reason it works is because there is a supernatural cause--a spirit--moving the rods. But, since the Bible forbids this, we know the spirit moving this isn't God or a holy angel. That leaves only one option: a fallen angel (a demon, the devil, whatever you want to call it).
This is why the Bible condemns divination, because when you get involved in it you are either (1) committing fraud, or (2) teaming up with a demonic spirit (perhaps unknowingly, but still teaming up).
(NOTE: It also works as a Gaydar.)
LOL!! That might be true had I not turned to Christ and taken the plunge 3+ years ago...8)
The pastor that I heard the story from was adamant that when encountering something uncanny it is unsafe to assume that it is wholesome. Hence his "testing of the spirits." Having witnessed several forms of witching, I will verify that it can be uncanny. Whether or not it is never wholesome I cannot say, but you won't catch me doing it.
The Biblical passage quoted about Moses no more supports dowsing than the passage saying “David loved Jonathan” supports homosexuality. Both are taken out of context for someone’s worldly purpose and are gross distortions of scripture.
Yes, well put.
Superstition like that amazes me, and not in the way you wish. Maybe instead, you could explain to me why that method is not in widespread use by most power companies and underground locators?
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