Skip to comments.X marks the spot: Walter Elliot on his use of ancient art of divination
Posted on 09/17/2012 11:50:46 AM PDT by Renfield
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When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead" (Deuteronomy 18:9-11).
Divining with rods is a form of divination. And, you can see what the Bible lumps that in with.
There is zero scientific evidence that there is any physical mechanism behind divining. So, if there isn't a physical mechanism, then what kind of mechanism makes divining work? The only possible type left is a supernatural mechanism.
In other words, "if" divining works (and I put if in quotes, because I personally believe most people involved in this are simply frauds), then the only reason it works is because there is a supernatural cause--a spirit--moving the rods. But, since the Bible forbids this, we know the spirit moving this isn't God or a holy angel. That leaves only one option: a fallen angel (a demon, the devil, whatever you want to call it).
This is why the Bible condemns divination, because when you get involved in it you are either (1) committing fraud, or (2) teaming up with a demonic spirit (perhaps unknowingly, but still teaming up).
(NOTE: It also works as a Gaydar.)
LOL!! That might be true had I not turned to Christ and taken the plunge 3+ years ago...8)
The pastor that I heard the story from was adamant that when encountering something uncanny it is unsafe to assume that it is wholesome. Hence his "testing of the spirits." Having witnessed several forms of witching, I will verify that it can be uncanny. Whether or not it is never wholesome I cannot say, but you won't catch me doing it.
The Biblical passage quoted about Moses no more supports dowsing than the passage saying “David loved Jonathan” supports homosexuality. Both are taken out of context for someone’s worldly purpose and are gross distortions of scripture.
Yes, well put.
Superstition like that amazes me, and not in the way you wish. Maybe instead, you could explain to me why that method is not in widespread use by most power companies and underground locators?
“Too late. You are a devil’s minion now.”
My husband does it. He uses a Y shaped branch for water and metal rods for metal. I thought it was a bunch of “bleep” so one day I covered my living room floor with newspapers and hid 3 quarters and told him to find them and he did!!!
IMO you are comparing apples to oranges. The scripture you quoted about “one who uses divination” is specifically talking about a fortune-teller. My God-fearing Christian grandmother would use a willow branch to find artisian wells for family and friends. It was a priceless gift to the poor folks in the country back in the hard times. She and Pawpaw picked cotton for a living.
Never seen it, don’t know, but I kinda hope it’s real.
Superstition? I've tried it. You apparently have not. Who is basing their claim more on actual, repeatable observations: you or me?
Maybe instead, you could explain to me why that method is not in widespread use by most power companies and underground locators?
Maybe because modern equipment is more accurate and reliable? (I already told you that an underground locator showed me the technique.)
I suggest you try it. I'm talking about the metal rods. I was dubious, too, until I tried it, and found that it worked reliably.
Every house I’ve ever built, the well sites were witched, both of them, main site and “repair” site in the event of a failed well. They didn’t ask me, they just did it. It’s the norm here.
Same with my parent’s houses, one of which is on a high plateau below a cliff at the base of a mountain. The well had to be punched through bedrock. All wells there are punched and very deep out of necessity. Good water, expensive well.
Does it “work?” I don’t know but have never had a well fail.
It is used in the field a whole lot more often than most people know. I was a line locator for a major oil and gas company for ten years. My tool was this:
On the rare occasion that I would get stumped, invariably an old pipeliner would go get his rods out of the truck, walk up and say, "Your pipeline is right here." What I never saw in those ten years was for the pipeliner to miss.
I am a Mechanical Engineer. Graduated with Honors. I have no superstitions.
I have held two slender metal bent rods and walked across a yard, and the hair on the back of my neck stood up when they twisted in my hands. I was on top of a gas line. “Witch Sticks”, they called them.
Say what you want, I’ve experienced it.
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