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A Fist Full of Firepower: The Rock Island Armory .22TCM
Small Arms Defense Journal ^ | Jeff W. Zimba

Posted on 09/17/2012 6:10:24 PM PDT by antisocial

The familiar look, feel and function of the legendary 1911 pistol designed over 100 years ago are alive in this new offering from Rock Island Armory. For those who are followers or even “fans” of this beloved design, simply holding one brings a smile to their face. For this latest incarnation, the .22TCM by Armscor, everything remains the same – until it is fired for the first time. At that single point of contact between firing pin and primer, the interest of all surrounding shooters is evident. This is not so much about a new 1911 family pistol, as it is a new cartridge with a much higher velocity that draws the attention.

The Basics The frame of the Rock Island Armory 1911 A2 is a little wider than a traditional 1911, similar in feel to the other “double stack” frames such as the .38 Super and the Para-Ordnance high capacity versions. The first time the .22TCM is handled there will be a few noticeable things for those well versed in the 1911. The first is the light return spring and the second is obvious before even handling it, the much smaller bore than standard chamberings.


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This looks like an interesting pistol.
1 posted on 09/17/2012 6:10:29 PM PDT by antisocial
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To: antisocial

This is a review of the new offering from Armscor. The 22TCM
very cool weapon.


2 posted on 09/17/2012 6:12:43 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial

Now I’ll have to get one. I wonder if it is available, yet.


3 posted on 09/17/2012 6:20:13 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

There are a few around already. And cheaperthandirt.com had the ammo the last time I looked.


4 posted on 09/17/2012 6:22:46 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: antisocial
40gr, 2,200 fps

Left to right: 90-grain 7.62x25mm FMJ, 40-grain .22TCM HSP, 147-grain 9x19mm JFP.

5 posted on 09/17/2012 6:22:50 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

.... makes you wonder what it’s like to reload a cartridge that small ...


6 posted on 09/17/2012 6:23:28 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

The article says it is, but I haven’t seen one yet.


7 posted on 09/17/2012 6:23:36 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial

I laughed at this whole concept until I fired my first Five seveN. I’m not laughing anymore. BTT.


8 posted on 09/17/2012 6:24:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: antisocial

WOW! Its gotta be stupidly expensive though.


9 posted on 09/17/2012 6:28:27 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Billthedrill

This should be an interesting comparison:

” Later this year we are planning a “head to head” test comparing the .22 LR, .22 Magnum, 5.7x28mm and .22TCM. We will be testing for muzzle velocity, accuracy, penetration, weight retention, and overall performance. With the .22TCM and 5.7x28mm having similar weights and muzzle velocities we are looking forward to the outcome of the testing.”


10 posted on 09/17/2012 6:28:27 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Ken522
.... makes you wonder what it’s like to reload a cartridge that small ...

Probably not much different than a 380 Auto.

11 posted on 09/17/2012 6:29:22 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Billthedrill

All about the energy, not the girth.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 6:30:18 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: antisocial

centerfiresystems.com say they are taking backorders. Probably will have to wait a few months but looks like a fun gun. The wifie will like the lack of heavi recoil.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 6:31:56 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: mnehring

Yep, but it can’t explode on impact or the energy doesn’t reach where it should. I’m guessing that might not be a problem with the soft-nose, though.


14 posted on 09/17/2012 6:32:49 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: umgud

>>90-grain 7.62x25mm FMJ

Anyone have a CZ52 they don’t want anymore?


15 posted on 09/17/2012 6:34:25 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Ken522

Guess will have to use the Armscor ammo for starters. Looks like 20 bucks for a box of 50.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 6:34:34 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: nomad

I understand it will sell for around $700 and that is with the 9mm barrel included.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 6:35:23 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Billthedrill; Joe Brower

I suspect they will be coming out with some different loads for the 22TCM before much longer.


18 posted on 09/17/2012 6:38:44 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: OldMissileer

Do you mean a 32 Auto?


19 posted on 09/17/2012 6:47:34 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: antisocial

Arrgh. Just another one I want but can’t have.

Looks cool, I’d love to shoot it.


20 posted on 09/17/2012 6:47:54 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: antisocial

Very interesting.

This is a 1911 platform I think I could get into.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 6:48:10 PM PDT by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: Ken522
.... makes you wonder what it’s like to reload a cartridge that small ...

Really high chamber pressures on the 5.7 - the max is 50,000 psi and yeah, you read that right. Either you're really, really careful with the powder or you really, really trust whoever is.

I got a bunch of 5.7 handloads as a present. My benefactor called me later and said I'd need to put some case lube on them BEFORE I fired them. Wha? sez I. Oh, it's laquered at the factory, sez he, so there aren't any failures to eject. He put them into a tumbler to make them nice and shiny, which they aren't in the box, and that's why. Hmm...

Sure, they can be handloaded, and if you're careful it'll be fine but if you're a little uneasy about the whole thing as I am, maybe better to purchase factory ammo. If you can find it. Sheesh.

22 posted on 09/17/2012 6:52:53 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: mylife

Have you seen this?

2200 fps out of a 5” barrel.


23 posted on 09/17/2012 6:54:52 PM PDT by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: 2111USMC

I have a CZ 52 and like it a lot, but this has a lot of advantages over the CZ.


24 posted on 09/17/2012 6:56:19 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Gaffer

Nope. 380 Auto, 380 ACP, the terminology is interchangeable.


25 posted on 09/17/2012 6:59:46 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: antisocial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFnqoYZcOgc&feature=fvwrel


26 posted on 09/17/2012 7:06:52 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial

Hmm, how much for ammo? Probably near a buck a shot.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 7:07:00 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-0553

They have it for $21 a box.


28 posted on 09/17/2012 7:15:37 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial

Rock Island might have a lot of firepower, but they got a crappy commissary.


29 posted on 09/17/2012 7:18:35 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: antisocial
Ok, pricey gun, but not bad. Do they sell ammo in full metal jacket?
30 posted on 09/17/2012 7:21:50 PM PDT by nomad
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To: xzins

Can’t say as I’ve ever had the pleasure of visiting their commissary, But I have two of their .45’s and they are fine weapons.


31 posted on 09/17/2012 7:23:14 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: nomad

I haven’t seen any advertised yet, but I suspect it will be available soon.
This pistol is competitive with the FN Five Seven plus it comes with a 9mm barrel all for about half the cost of a Five Seven. Ammo for the Five Seven is similar in price.


32 posted on 09/17/2012 7:29:20 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Billthedrill

Five Seven N, bad little round. Saving up my pennies until I get the 1K that that little boss is selling for.


33 posted on 09/17/2012 7:32:36 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: antisocial

You have to know that Rock Island Arsenal Illinois is the head of US Army Joint Munitions Command for it to be humorous. Their commissary is definitely humorous.


34 posted on 09/17/2012 7:37:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: OldMissileer

I quite realized that. The 380 is also called the 9mm short which is same diameter as the 9 mm in the picture. To me the 32 auto is more comparable to the new 22, that’s all I meant.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 7:56:24 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: antisocial
The Rock Island Armory 1911 A2 MM (Mini Magnum) is a “duel use” firearm right out of the box.

I thought duels were illegal now ;-)

I shot a friend's .22 MAG semi-auto pistol with 30 round magazines recently (can't rember the mfg). Nice gun. According to him it had similar ballistics to a .38 special. I thought that claim was a little on the heavy hitting side considering the lack of recoil.

This looks interesting. I'd like to hear from a FReeper that shoots one.

36 posted on 09/17/2012 8:27:39 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: antisocial

I live in Pahrump where this pistol is built, got to shoot it a few times at a range when they were out there testing it. Its an amazing gun, hardly any recoil but MAN oh man its loud.

Cant wait to buy myself one once I can convince the gun shop I work at to carry it :)


37 posted on 09/17/2012 8:35:56 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Keltec PMR 30?


38 posted on 09/17/2012 8:40:57 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Gaffer
I do not own a 32 but reload a lot 380’s so that is why I referenced them. The 380 is also known as the 9mm Kurz, which is the name I first became familiar when I was a child.

I figure this new round would not be any more difficult to reload than the 380’s.

39 posted on 09/17/2012 9:32:36 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Trod Upon

I think so. Looks just like it.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 10:08:37 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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Judging from the pics, I'd say that even if you miss at close quarters, the muzzle flash should be enough to catch the adversary's clothes on fire.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

41 posted on 09/18/2012 5:13:28 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: AZ .44 MAG; Trod Upon

Well *share* dude - what was it like shooting the Keltec PMR 30? Can’t afford one myself but I’m drooling at the thought of the little .22 mag.

The .22 HSP that heads the thread - interesting because it’s 1911 pattern but for me it’s too odd a round to consider. Wouldn’t turn down an offer to shoot one if it were handed over tho, just for kicks. My Mama dint raise no fool, LOL.


42 posted on 09/18/2012 9:25:57 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Titan Magroyne; Trod Upon

It was very light. My friend joked that he could clip it to his boxers in the middle of the night and it wouldn’t drag them off of him. (I told him that was too much information).

The sights are fiber-optic red rear and green front. In the southern Arizona sun near midday they were really easy to pick up.

I only shot about 5 rounds at about 7-10 yards. Recoil was light and very controllable. Nice little group a couple of inches across.

I didn’t load or change a magazine so I can’t comment on that.

I liked it but it does seem a little pricey.


43 posted on 09/18/2012 10:35:36 AM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: antisocial
Got one of these myself. It's a hot little round but with very limited recoil (like a 22 magnum). And yes there is a fireball at the end of your 1911. Workmanship on the RIA 1911A2 frame is decent but nothing spectacular. Mine has a magazine release spring that is tends to lock up so that the next mag change wont go fully into battery, but I am working on it.

The TCM22 round is actually slightly longer than a 9mm so you wont see Glocks and other platforms picking this up unless they can slot 38 Super with a barrel change. (STI, Para-Ordnance, SVI, etc ...). I am still waiting for other aftermarket barrels for 1911 double stack platforms.

44 posted on 09/18/2012 10:42:59 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Watch what people DO, not what they say.)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

That was a Kel-Tec PMR-30. Nice little peashooter but it is not even in the same league as this round (1400 fps vs 2200fps). I have shot both. Both are nice, but TCM22 is a more accurate flatter round by far.


45 posted on 09/18/2012 10:46:27 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Watch what people DO, not what they say.)
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To: antisocial

I have a RIA 1911 in .45ACP.

LOVE THAT GUN!

I am going to start looking for a .22TCM to match . . .

(I really hope TCM does not stand for Turner Classic Movies!!!) [grin]


46 posted on 09/18/2012 11:23:10 AM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Centurion2000

I know the difference. I was asked my opinion on the Kel-Tec upthread and was responding to that request.


47 posted on 09/18/2012 11:36:42 AM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: Billthedrill

I love my Five seveN. Same ammo as my PS90, too.


48 posted on 09/18/2012 1:52:47 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Thank you, that does sound fun to shoot. I’d love for my mother to carry (she won’t) & fantasize her having a PMR 30, but I have doubts regarding her fully racking the slide.

The lightness you mention LOL would make that a great car gun. If you must abandon the vehicle, the weapon wouldn’t make a no-belt day a *bad* day.


49 posted on 09/18/2012 3:49:36 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: 2111USMC

Yeah I saw it, and I like it!


50 posted on 09/18/2012 4:29:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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