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The Gettysburg Address, still a relevant message in 2012.
The Battle of Gettysburg ^ | Sept. 18, 2012 | Carlo3b, Dad, Dad, Author

Posted on 09/18/2012 7:53:01 PM PDT by carlo3b

The Gettysburg Address

"Four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation: conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war. . .testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated. . . can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war.

We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate. . .we cannot consecrate. . . we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.

It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us. . .that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion. . . that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain. . . that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. . . and that government of the people. . .by the people. . .for the people. . . shall not perish from the earth. "


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; culture; election; gettysburg; gettysburgaddress; government; greatestpresident; thecivilwar
Just a reminder of an earlier time when our country was faced with a crucial crossroads in our history, and what we scarified to keep our nation together..

Is his speech, spoken during desperate times by an embattled leader to a weary nation, President Lincoln implored the gathered to remember what had happened on that hallowed ground and what was still at stake..

We are again living in historic times.. What our country does in the next 2 months, can be remembered as the turning point in this experiment we started in 1776, and tested several times during the course of our illustrious history..

1 posted on 09/18/2012 7:53:09 PM PDT by carlo3b
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To: Jim Robinson; Bob J; christie; stanz; jellybean; Angelique; Howie; TwoStep; piasa; Exit148; ...

If you do nothing else, VOTE, and get everyone in your family, and friends to cast their vote for our country to survive..


2 posted on 09/18/2012 7:56:02 PM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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Lincoln was and continues to be a national disgrace. Slavery is wrong, but the federal government has no right to force ANY state into their point of view. Slavery would have died of natural causes, but Lincoln decided that 600,000 citizens needed to die instead. He was no Republican as I define it. He was a liberal then, now, and by any standard, and he perpetrated one of the great crimes against the federalist ideals of the founders.


3 posted on 09/18/2012 8:19:28 PM PDT by SAR (Son of THE Revolution.)
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Agree. Lincoln was losing the war & made slavery the issue, when it really was about economics. ‘The Creature from Jekyll Island” is one of the better reads to present this.
4 posted on 09/18/2012 8:52:04 PM PDT by Digger (A)
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To: carlo3b
The Gettysburg Address, still a relevant message in 2012..

the "house divided" speech is even more relevant.

5 posted on 09/18/2012 9:50:47 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: carlo3b

I’m pretty sure the reason it’s rembered is that it’s easy for teachers to get kids to memorize. It is nonetheless great political oratory in that it stirs the soul while making no sense. (Government by the people was going to die? Huh? How? What about the earth’s other democracies? Seriously, what are you talking about?)


6 posted on 09/18/2012 10:21:46 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: carlo3b

EV-TH12 FR HQ #96
7 posted on 09/18/2012 10:34:27 PM PDT by Golden Gate
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To: SAR
Lincoln had stated that he was willing to leave slavery alone in the states where it existed, and would only oppose its expansion into the Western territories. To let it die a slow and natural death as you put it. Now, whether he would have kept that promise is impossible to tell, because the South seceded before Lincoln had even been sworn into office! As soon as an election went a way they didn't like, they just up and left. The Southern states had no legitimate claims of abuses by the new administration upon which to justify secession.

And trying to paint the Confederates as virtuous defenders of Federalism who recognized the rights of secession is pretty ironic, considering how for decades the southern states had used their greater strength in Congress and the Federal Government to push a pro-slavery agenda on the rest of the country (the fugitive slave laws, infringement of free-speech by abolitionists, weak enforcement of bans on the African slave trade, ect.). Not to mention, they didn't acknowledge the very principle of secession when it was applied to them - Virginia refused to recognize the legitimacy of West Virginia for instance.

8 posted on 09/18/2012 10:40:45 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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Wow. Not the response I expected to see to your thread, Carlo. The comments are few and consist of critics of Abraham Lincoln and someone who wants us to vote for a candidate with no chance. (I wouldn't vote for him in the future even if he did have a chance.)
It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us. . .that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion. . . that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain. . . that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. . . and that government of the people. . .by the people. . .for the people. . . shall not perish from the earth. "

9 posted on 09/19/2012 2:46:37 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here,

Lincoln was a humble man, and this is an ironic line from his most famous speech.

10 posted on 09/19/2012 3:23:26 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: SAR

...conceived in liberty...

That people then and now fail to see the hypocrisy is at the same time funny and sad.

If yankees believed in “liberty” as they and Lincoln so sanctimoniously claimed, and if the war had truly been fought for the purpose of freeing slaves, then once the north had won, they would have freed the slaves and subsequently freed the Confederate states. Given what actually happened, logic dictates that the war had nothing to do with freeing slaves.


11 posted on 09/19/2012 5:53:07 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Sort of the same justification they used to use regarding wife beating. “Who are we to interfere? Better he continues to beat his wife rather than us come between them.


12 posted on 09/19/2012 5:55:18 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: carlo3b

Thanks for the ping.


13 posted on 09/19/2012 8:12:13 AM PDT by GOPJ (first they came for those clinging to their guns and religion, and I did not speak out....)
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To: carlo3b
What our country does in the next 2 months, can be remembered as the turning point in this experiment we started in 1776...

It's important for us to remember... thanks carlo3b.

14 posted on 09/19/2012 8:13:57 AM PDT by GOPJ (first they came for those clinging to their guns and religion, and I did not speak out....)
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15 posted on 09/19/2012 9:08:30 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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