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Ancient Baby Graveyard Not for Child Sacrifice, Scientists Say
Live Science ^ | 9-19-2012 | Tia Ghose

Posted on 09/20/2012 1:09:45 PM PDT by Renfield

A Carthaginian burial site was not for child sacrifice but was instead a graveyard for babies and fetuses, researchers now say.

A new study of the ancient North African site offers the latest volley in a debate over the primary purpose of the graveyard, long thought to be a place of sacred sacrifice.

"It's all very great, cinematic stuff, but whether that was a constant daily activity ― I think our analysis contradicts that," said study co-author Jeffrey Schwartz of the University of Pittsburgh....

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: babies; carthage; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; romanempire; skeletons; tophet

1 posted on 09/20/2012 1:10:04 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield; SunkenCiv

.... for your consideration.


2 posted on 09/20/2012 1:13:05 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: SunkenCiv

Carthage burial grounds called Tophet holds urns with the cremated remains of thousands of babies. While some say Tophet is a site of child sacrifice, others contend it was used to bury babies and fetuses.
3 posted on 09/20/2012 1:14:24 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: Renfield

Wow! They had Planned Parenthood way back then?


4 posted on 09/20/2012 1:16:21 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Renfield

At least they recognized that a fetus was a baby and deserving of burial. Here we just rinse unwanted children down the garbage disposal or fling them in the dumpster.


5 posted on 09/20/2012 1:28:30 PM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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To: Renfield

The Greeks and Romans would decide whether a baby was worthy and if not, leave it out somewhere to die. Its called “exposure”.


6 posted on 09/20/2012 1:31:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Renfield

They worshipped Moloch, a fake “god” so awful he’s mentioned in the Torah; chief attribute they sacrified babies to it.

I’ll go for “contemporary accounts” vs. counter-intuitive balooney trying to make the Bible look bad for $100 Alex.


7 posted on 09/20/2012 1:37:21 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


8 posted on 09/20/2012 1:38:29 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: informavoracious

The Greeks and Romans didn’t


9 posted on 09/20/2012 1:39:44 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: informavoracious

That’s a great tag line. May I quote that?


10 posted on 09/20/2012 1:41:52 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

re: cremated remains of thousands of babies, young goats and lambs

So, they find the cremated remains of babies with goats, and lambs. And we are supposed to believe that the Carthaginians, who were reported in the Bible to practice child sacrifice to their pagan gods, weren’t really sacrificing anything. They were just participating in sacred burial rituals for all the babies and animals that routinely died.


11 posted on 09/20/2012 1:47:21 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Renfield

Be my guest!


12 posted on 09/20/2012 1:47:49 PM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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To: NYer
For a time I lived in Cadiz, Spain. Cadiz is perhaps the oldest continuously occupied city in western Europe having been founded 3,000 years ago by the Phoenicians and occupied ever since. This was the same gang that founded Carthage. In the city is a beautiful plaza the locals called Plaza Flores, the plaza of the flowers. It is full of stands selling bright fresh flowers and others selling the specialty of Cadiz, a medly of fried fish.

Curiously, looking up you will see that the official name is Plaza Topete. Like the location cited in the article here, it was originally the location of a Phoenician temple (tophet) from which it gets it's name. At the site there were the remains of numerous infants. The oral history say this was where the Phoenicians would sacrifice their first born child. Not surprisingly, the citizens prefer to call it the place of flowers rather than by that gruesome reference.

I note the skepticism in the article about human sacrifice, I only note that the site in the article is not unique in reputation.

13 posted on 09/20/2012 1:53:37 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Renfield

Lots of Archaeologists like to discourage the belief in human sacrifice.

Many people have made careers spinning that the Aztecs and Maya didn’t practice human sacrifice, and that it was all Spanish lies.


14 posted on 09/20/2012 2:04:08 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Renfield; momtothree; NYer

thanks all, will ping later, meanwhile...

Phoenicia’s Stone Coffins, Child-Eating Gods Emerge in Paris
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a3WQ8n3TvSO4&refer=muse


15 posted on 09/20/2012 2:05:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield

A burial site for a baby, apart from that of the family into which it was born? Uummm. Credulous creature that I am, why of course those “scientists” must right!


16 posted on 09/20/2012 2:08:14 PM PDT by old school
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To: GeronL

Dear Leader calls them burdens.


17 posted on 09/20/2012 2:15:07 PM PDT by bgill
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To: dblshot
Wow! They had Planned Parenthood way back then?

My Thoughts exactly

18 posted on 09/20/2012 2:19:52 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Yes, Obama, I had help with my business. MY CUSTOMERS!)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Well said!


19 posted on 09/20/2012 4:27:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield; momtothree; NYer; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield, momtothree, and NYer.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


20 posted on 09/20/2012 4:27:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GeronL

The Spartans looked over each newborn child and if it was unhealthy or had any birth defects, they would leave it to die. Only the healthiest and strongest were chosen to live. Just watched a two hour special on the Spartans...very interesting.


21 posted on 09/20/2012 6:14:39 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: Shadow44
You forgot cannibalism, here today, lunch tomorrow.
22 posted on 09/20/2012 6:38:20 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: NYer; SunkenCiv

Sacrifices!
Burials!
Sacrifices!
Burials!
Sacri...

STOP! You’re BOTH right! For certs, they had to do something respectful with the victims’ remains, or the gods would have vomited up the sacrifices as unworthy.


23 posted on 09/20/2012 7:16:02 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Renfield; SunkenCiv

The argument against infant sacrifice in the article seems long on conjecture and short on facts. They even argue the Carthaginians wouldn’t waste precious wood on infant sacrifices despite the evidence the bodies were indeed cremated.


24 posted on 09/21/2012 11:58:36 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

I wholeheartedly agree. Those who deny infant sacrifice among the Phoenicians have some kind of agenda, and it probably has to do with the instructions from the local political authorities. Same thing happened with Egypt’s “no slavery in ancient Egypt” requirement. And that one’s clearly ridiculous — “oh, look, we found dozens of bakeries to feed the workers who built the Giza pyramids — that means they weren’t slaves.” Complete stupidity.


25 posted on 09/21/2012 3:19:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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26 posted on 09/22/2012 9:24:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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