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HELP NEEDED - WinXP / Win7 (HP Laptop)
my desk | 09/20/2012 | me

Posted on 09/20/2012 2:50:04 PM PDT by Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

I have an HP laptop loaded w/Windows XP.

I would like to put Windows 7 on there, but there are about 500 warnings - make sure you do this, don't do that - b/c I am going from XP to Win7.

So my problem is: Can I partition my laptop hard-drive so that I can load Win7 on a separate partition... or would it be just as well to go ahead and remove XP after loading Win7 where XP is now?

Memory space (RAM and Hard-drive) isn't an issue, neither is the processor.

If I partition; what are the pro's and con's?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: win7; windows; xp
Thank you all for your help!
1 posted on 09/20/2012 2:50:07 PM PDT by Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

Back up what you need then install win 7, formatting over your current installation.


2 posted on 09/20/2012 2:51:56 PM PDT by socalgop
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

Every time I’ve dual loaded OS’s at some point one OS get’s trashed. I’d go with a clean install.


3 posted on 09/20/2012 2:56:32 PM PDT by tje
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To: tje; Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

“Every time I’ve dual loaded OS’s at some point one OS get’s trashed. I’d go with a clean install.”

ditto.


4 posted on 09/20/2012 2:58:23 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

Back up what you have on there and do a clean install. Laptop will run so much better.


5 posted on 09/20/2012 2:58:55 PM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: ShadowAce

tech ping pls

Generally yes, backup (burn to CD/DVD, usb drive, NOT the same Harddrive) what you want to save then reformat/install W7 over XP

Caveat - not all your programs may run in windows 7, you might need new versions/patches. check your docs/ related websites for info


6 posted on 09/20/2012 3:00:32 PM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

If you had the skills to configure a laptop with a partitioned drive and install multiple operating systems, you would have known how to answer all the questions on the upgrade.

1) Back up your hard drive (I use Acronis, but there are plenty of good utilities) to an outside source like a usb drive.

2) Upgrade the OS.


7 posted on 09/20/2012 3:02:40 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The Democratic Party has become the Beclowning Party)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

You’re better off keeping XP. There’s nothing Windows 7 can do that XP can’t. With XP you can play all your games without having to download compatability software and jump through hoops just to play. I’d give anything NOT to have 7.


8 posted on 09/20/2012 3:08:01 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

You could try something like Acronis® Disk Director, which will let you boot multiple OS’s.


9 posted on 09/20/2012 3:10:07 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: socalgop
Back up what you need then install win 7, formatting over your current installation.

Bingo! We have a winner.

10 posted on 09/20/2012 3:10:07 PM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: bgill

Download Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor ,it will tell if you can run win 7


11 posted on 09/20/2012 3:11:02 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

If you really want to think “out of the box”:

1) Remove your current hard drive and replace it with a new/blank drive.

2) Install win-7 as a clean install.

3) Put your old drive (that still has your data) in a case and make a usb-drive out of it. Example case you could use:

http://www.amazon.com/SATA-Hard-Drive-Case-Enclosure/dp/B001AAVA08/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1348178896&sr=1-6

You can now plug your old-drive into your computer’s usb port and copy over any data you need, as you need it.

When you get all your data copied over, you can wipe the usb drive and use it for storage, or to hold backups of your laptop (because you do perform occasional backups—right?)


12 posted on 09/20/2012 3:11:42 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The Democratic Party has become the Beclowning Party)
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To: bgill

You could download Ubuntu Linux to a USB flashdrive and check it out.


13 posted on 09/20/2012 3:12:02 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

I went through all the trouble to setup dual boot. And then I’ve booted into XP like 3 times in the 2 years since. If you get the Ultimate version of 7 it has the ability to run a virtual XP system, so if you find something you really really need XP for (which you probably won’t) you can use that.


14 posted on 09/20/2012 3:12:07 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: Brookhaven
Unfortunately I don't have those skills...

I am a simple computer user, just trying to muck my way through this w/out too much self-imposed trouble.

I heard/read somewhere (probably FR in regards to Windows and Linux on the same machine) that partitioning/dual OS is possible...
I was wondering if it was a good idea...
and if its a good idea - how do I go about it?

Personally, I like XP (its running on the laptop now & on my desktop machine) - but I am worried about support for one, and my wife needs Windows Office 2010 on the laptop for her schoolwork. I figured if I am gonna install WinOffice 2010 I might as well upgrade to Win7 as well...
Is this a bad idea?

15 posted on 09/20/2012 3:14:37 PM PDT by Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

Be sure you know what you’re getting in Win7. I bought a new Dell desktop with Win7 this past year and wish I could go back to XP. I hate LIBRARIES with a passion!! Give me “My Favorites” all in one single place.....


16 posted on 09/20/2012 3:15:06 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: GeronL
You could download Ubuntu Linux to a USB flashdrive and check it out.

Nothing personal, but huh?

The original poster was having trouble figuring out how to upgrade from XP to 7, and you're suggesting the go to Linux?

That's like telling someone that's having trouble with their pickup truck that they need to get a fighter jet.

17 posted on 09/20/2012 3:15:50 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The Democratic Party has become the Beclowning Party)
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To: bgill

I’m perfectly happy with XP, but don’t have any issues with Win 7 either. The problem is, within the next couple years Microsoft is not going to support XP any longer, so if some kink of vulnerability is discovered, you’re liable to be hacked.


18 posted on 09/20/2012 3:16:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
Make sure the computer is Windows 7 worthy first. If you don't have at least 2gb, don't bother. (You don't want the 64 bit version unless you have more than 4gb)

I'd re-partition it to reclaim any hidden "restore" partitions from the old operating system - most notebooks have these.

Forget about a dual boot. It's just not worth the trouble. You can always run a virtual XP (or what ever your old OS was).

19 posted on 09/20/2012 3:17:59 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

I was so happy to see a computer question, and wonder if there was enough interest out there that we could have a computer forum. I thought there was one, but I just looked under forums on front page and didn’t see it listed.


20 posted on 09/20/2012 3:18:53 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

XP is still a solid OS. There is no reason to upgrade (I still run it on a computer at home).

If you don’t need to upgrade the OS, then don’t.

It looks like office 2010 is compatible with XP SP3 (service pack 3). You should be able to upgrade to this via windows updates. (control panel—>windows updates).

I’d keep XP.


21 posted on 09/20/2012 3:21:10 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The Democratic Party has become the Beclowning Party)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
Memory space (RAM and Hard-drive) isn't an issue, neither is the processor.

Rare an XP laptop is a 64-bit box with 6 to 8 GB of RAM. You can run Win7 on less, but do you want to? What is the gain? I have a few XP laptops here, and I would never even consider upgrading them. Win7 looks better and does a little more, but it does not offer anything that an XP can't do. An XP laptop will work faster if you keep it on XP. Perhaps you want to reinstall the original XP on that laptop to remove all the registry cruft and all the installed software that you do not need. But Win7... I doubt you will gain anything. Quite possibly you will lose some devices that are not supported by Win7 drivers anymore.

If you need a Win7 laptop you should consider buying a new laptop. Not only will you get the OS preloaded; you also will get a lot more hardware than you have in that old laptop, and all that hardware will work. Upgrades of old boxes are domain of geeks who have nothing better to do and who are willing and ready to receive 500 messages about compatibility issues, find and download missing drivers, and do all other geeky stuff that such an upgrade entails.

22 posted on 09/20/2012 3:23:42 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: mupcat; All
I would like to see a computer forum as well, just b/c I am all thumbs w/computers. (I know how to use 'em but not much more. Although I did install extra memory on my desktop once. Small personal moral victory...)

I appreciate everyone's input - even the Linux nod...lol...Linux exploration/learning is a goal of mine in the near future - and I think I will stick w/Win XP for now and just load MS OFFICE 2010 for my wife on that.
At some point in the future I will upgrade to Win7 (b/c of support issues). Thanks again to all who posted - proving once again that if you ever need help, it can be found here. :)

23 posted on 09/20/2012 3:29:48 PM PDT by Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
buy a new HD and do a clean install...
24 posted on 09/20/2012 3:43:56 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Brookhaven

That was not directed to the original poster


25 posted on 09/20/2012 3:58:25 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: All

I would stick with WXP as it is not as resource intensive and most of the extras on W7 won’t be used or needed by the average PC user.

Just update to Service Pack 3 and the latest version of .NET if you already haven’t done so.

I’m a computer/software professional and I’ve been running WXP for the last 10 years or so and I have no need for Vista or W7 - they are memory hogs and unless you really need to use the extra features, I would stick with WXP

Most Computer professionals also prefer WXP over W7/WVista as well.


26 posted on 09/20/2012 4:01:03 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Michelle Fields, will you marry me?)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

Win 7 is a memory hog. Save yourself some computing power and stick with XP.


27 posted on 09/20/2012 4:12:06 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

You just can’t load windows 7 on any notebook of without first getting all of the requisite drivers that will be needed to operate it.

Download those drivers first and put them on a thumb drive and you shoul be OK once you install them.


28 posted on 09/20/2012 4:14:51 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

Definitely backup everything and do a clean install of Windows 7. I’m doing this on my home built desktop, but have to add more RAM and beef up the processor. 3GB of RAM is pretty minimum for W-7.


29 posted on 09/20/2012 4:20:00 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

Putting in a new, clean drive is far, far easier than installing over an old OS.


30 posted on 09/20/2012 4:21:11 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust; Brookhaven
Brookhaven's advice is very good and worth following, plus, it's really not all that hard to do.

I've upgraded several computers running XP to Win7, including my old laptop.

Even with more RAM, it is now borderline capable and super slow running Win7, but ran XP just fine. I should have done what Brookhaven said with it.

I am going to do that with my new Dell laptop which cam with a lesser version of Win7 and all sorts of Dell add ons.

31 posted on 09/20/2012 4:46:25 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
Had the same situation and decided the potential hassle wasn't worth it. Bought a new hard drive(prices are finally coming down)and a cheap USB to Sata/IDE adapter to backup/transfer important files to new drive(after fresh OS install).

If I were to do it again, I'd probably consider going with a SSD, as prices on those have been dropping also...the improved performance of SSD's however come with their own potential reliability issues(perhaps more so the older versions), from what I've read anyway.

32 posted on 09/20/2012 4:56:05 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

As others have pointed out, driver availability may be a show stopper. Check on the HP web site and see if they have a set of W7 drivers for your model. If not, you’re going to have to hunt them down with google for your model (assuming they even exist). This can be very, very tricky if HP doesn’t have the W7 drivers.


33 posted on 09/20/2012 6:05:46 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
I figured if I am gonna install WinOffice 2010 I might as well upgrade to Win7 as well...

Is this a bad idea?

I have three laptops and have upgraded to Win 7 on one of them. I only updated one of my three laptops to Win 7. because only one of the three had drivers available, and those were for Vista.. You mentioned laptop, so I will assume this is what you are dealing with. If you are just a simple user, I suggest staying away from any dual boot configuration, not because it can't be done, but because if you haven't done it before, a new install is way less hassle (Win 7 is a fairly painless install.) In the end it will be your call so let me toss my $0.02 in here for your consideration.

First thing you need to do is go to your laptop manufacturer's website and see if there is any support for Win 7 in drivers and utilities. Usually found in the support/downloads section. If there are no Win 7 drivers that may or may not mean you are dead in the water. Many (not all) motherboards and peripherals will run in Win 7 using Vista drivers, so look for Vista drivers if there are no Win 7 drivers available. Be aware that some manufacturers have their own modified versions of drivers, especially video drivers, so watch that area. If you are lucky, your video will use a standard driver which can be downloaded directly from the vid chips manufacturer (AMD or nVidia usually) If drivers are available from the manufacturer, check the hardware configuration to make sure it will be adequate for Win 7 (a previous post mentioned Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor which will give you MS's take on the subject.)

If all the above ducks line up in a row, download all the drivers and utilities and save then either to cd/dvdr or a flash drive or external hard drive (some sort of separate media)so they will all be available in one location for future use. My preferred method for upgrading a laptop is to purchase a new hard drive. This will allow you to get a larger capacity drive than was originally installed (usually) and also allow you to find a 7200 rpm drive instead of the 5400 rpm or slower drive that (usually) is original equipment. Newer units are all SATA2 or better. If your unit has an older PATA drive, you might want to consider getting a larger PATA drive and doing a clean install of Win XP because having a PATA drive tends to indicate that the rest of the hardware is marginal for Win 7.

Procure an external hard drive enclosure for your original drive if you are using it as a source for your drivers that you downloaded. (ebay, amazon) and have your new hard drive, your install media, and the external enclosure ready. If your downloaded drivers are on a cd/dvd or flash drive have that handy. If you are going for Win7, look for the professional or the ultimate version since both of these allow you to run programs in XP compatibility mode (Win7 home does not) You can find Win7 Pro oem on eBay for around $132 or so from reputable sellers. (Staples will cost you a lot more). If you have any programs that you need to reinstall, make sure you have the install media available, and any keys that you will need to reenter. Again, check your programs. Most (not all) that will run on XP will run on Win 7. A higher compatibility rate is achieved if the program says it will run in Vista. Many programs that originally were XP have update patches to make them compatible with Win 7.

OK, sounds like a lot of prep, but if you have it all together before you start, it minimizes surprises later on.

Shut off and unplug your laptop, locate the drive bay and remove the original drive (don't shuffle your feet on the carpet while doing this!) (How to info typically can be found in your owners manual, or on the manufacturers web site.) Install the new hard drive in the laptop and replace covers. Turn on laptop and enter 'setup' (some type of notice should flash on the screen to tell you what to hit - F2, F10,whatever..) check to see that the bios knows your new hard drive is there (screen varies depending on manufacturer) to verify you don't have a paperweight for a hard drive (very rare that there would be an issue here). Put the Win 7 install dvd in the drive, exit setup (esc, F10, whatever the bios says) and the computer will reboot. Depending on manufacturer you might get a prompt asking if you want to boot from the cd/dvd drive. If so hit Y(es). Your screen should start displaying the install stuff for win 7.. You'll need to answer a couple of questions and enter the key code when it asks. From there on out Win 7 should take care of itself. While Win 7 is installing, get your external enclosure and install your old drive in it. It should have come with a USB cable. One end may or may not have two USB plugs on it. That end will connect to your laptop when the time comes. (The second plug is for power, if it's there you will need to connect both.)

When Win 7 is done, it will restart and you will have a running computer, but probably not with all the latest or even the correct drivers. Check in device manager (start/computer/system properties/device manager is one way to get there) and see if there are any unknown devices (yellow question marks for instance.) Windows will be nagging you to connect to the internet to activate, register, and update your install. It can get very insistent, but I like to get all the drivers installed before I let Windows peek at the outside world.. Plug in your external hard drive (windows will recognize it and assign a drive number or, put in your cd/dvdr, or plug in your flash drive - wherever you saved your drivers you downloaded). Most drivers will be self extracting zip files. Double clicking on the file name will either expand the files to a directory from which you will need to run the install (usually called 'setup'), or expand and then run the install automatically. I suggest installing chipset drivers first, video second, audio, network, anything else last. Verify each install in device manager to make sure it says all the right stuff (for instance, if your unit has an nVidia video chip, make sure after installing the video driver that device manager tells you that it is an nVidia420GT or whatever it is as opposed to 'generic vga display' or some other such nonsense.)

When all the drivers are installed, connect your unit to the internet and let Windows do its stuff (activate, update, all that..) Could take a while. (Note: Windows should turn on its Windows Defender a/v stuff and firewall if you haven't installed another a/v - security solution. strongly recommend not connecting to the internet without some type of security solution installed..)

When all the updating is done, you can install your programs. All your files/documents/stuff are still on the old hard drive. You can port them over at your convenience. For future reference, you may need to "Take Ownership" of your old drive to be able to use it (first clue will be 'access denied' when you try to access it.) Search for 'take ownership' in the Win help stuff for how to..

Clear as mud? Actually it's not that hard, but you need all the stuff together before you start.

Hope this long screed was useful.

34 posted on 09/20/2012 9:38:11 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
I am just finishing the same change you are now making. I started about two months ago. I learned a few things.
The only way to go is to format the hard drive and do a clean install of Win 7 32-bit. Most of the previous software that I need for daily use, installed no problem.

Windows XP became so bloated with patches and updates that it became unstable. A change was inevitable.

Win 7 is very stable and even with a Pentium 4, reasonably fast. But my previous 2 Gb of RAM had to be upgraded to 4. The integrated MB graphics is now the bottleneck of the system with the new OS.

35 posted on 09/20/2012 9:41:12 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: potlatch
I bought a new Dell desktop with Win7 this past year and wish I could go back to XP. I hate LIBRARIES with a passion!! Give me “My Favorites” all in one single place.....

LOL!

I have used computers since before the "personal" computer, and MS DOS, then Windows since Win 3.1
My XP machine had two physical drives, one for Programs and the second for data only. I was able to install Win 7 and my data drive was totally unaffected, and completely accessible.
As an added bonus, my old data Drive behaves exactly as before. NO LIBRARIES!

It may take me a year or two to figure out that new stupid system.

36 posted on 09/20/2012 9:53:00 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: mupcat
I thought there was one, but I just looked under forums on front page and didn’t see it listed.

Great idea, as long as the Apple dweebs have their own forum.
Most of them seem to have the maturity of an unstable teenager.

37 posted on 09/20/2012 9:58:10 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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38 posted on 09/21/2012 3:47:25 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: publius911

Lol! ;)


39 posted on 09/21/2012 4:09:05 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: publius911

Wish I knew how to do all that you do publius, Win7 has my pictures scattered all over the place, even in the media player!!


40 posted on 09/23/2012 12:29:59 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust
Here's my recommendation for an HP laptop:


41 posted on 09/23/2012 12:37:15 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Hazelwood Redneck Brain Trust

Most people who do a dual-boot to avoid doing an upgrade are under the impression that the new version will look just like the previous one. That always ends in frustration.


42 posted on 09/23/2012 12:39:34 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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