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Challengers to Clovis-age impact theory missed key protocols, new study finds
Eurekalert! ^ | September 17, 2012 | Jim Barlow, U of Oregon

Posted on 09/20/2012 7:18:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: null and void

Thank you. I don’t know how much you’ve read concerning the most recent extinction event(End Pleistocene) but there are any number of explanations for many of the anomalies relating to that period. As far as I know the only mammoth/mastodon found with buttercups or whatever in their mouths and/or stomachs were in Siberia which reportedly wasn’t covered with an ice sheet during the last glaciation. Fact is, evidence seems to indicate the climate was much milder then; maybe even sub-tropical. Go figger...


21 posted on 09/20/2012 11:40:20 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
*sigh* Yet another beautiful theory ruined by ugly facts!
22 posted on 09/20/2012 11:52:18 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1339 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

I am a trained anthropologist so you can trust me on this, a hairy a$$ed mammoth would like it a lot colder than a bald a$$ed mammoth would. they are going to be as far away from the equator as they can and still be able to find food.


23 posted on 09/21/2012 6:57:46 AM PDT by Docbarleypop
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To: Docbarleypop; ForGod'sSake

Soooo, marigolds in the periglacial area or no?


24 posted on 09/21/2012 8:11:55 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1340 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void; Docbarleypop
Just ran a quick "wooly mammoth buttercups" search and found this item from HERE:
But wait a minute; weren't the woolly mammoths suited to living in a cold climate? They are described as woolly due to their hairy coat, but this is only hair, greaseless hair. To help protect them from the cold, all of today's Arctic mammals have glands that make their hair oily to retain warmth - the mammoths had no such gland. Although thicker, a mammoth's hair is the same as that of elephants, and they live in the tropical regions. Many animals found in equatorial jungles also have thick hair, the tiger being one such example. Anyone still unconvinced could consider this - bones of tigers, rhinoceroses and antelope were found alongside the mammoths, and these are obviously not Arctic creatures.
FWIW...

Now to my chores.

25 posted on 09/21/2012 8:34:00 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake; All

Dr. Walt Brown PhD still hass the best explanation for the wooly mammoth extinctions as far as I’m concerned...

Center for Scientific Creation

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html


26 posted on 09/21/2012 9:02:33 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: ForGod'sSake

actually i agree with you, hair will trap moisture and as it evaporates it will cool, i just like to say hairy a$$ed mammoth! but this doesn’t explain the hairy highlander, i dont have a gland that makes my hair oily but my peoples prefer the colder climes!


27 posted on 09/21/2012 9:24:06 AM PDT by Docbarleypop
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To: SunkenCiv

If I hand’t read the headline before seeing that picture I would have sworn I was looking a colonoscopy photo of Obama after his latest round of golf.


28 posted on 09/21/2012 3:17:18 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (I need a new tagline...please help.)
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To: gleeaikin

It isn’t confined to North America.

http://www.scirus.com/srsapp/search?q=black+mat&t=all&sort=0&g=s


29 posted on 09/21/2012 3:39:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Graewoulf

My pleasure.


30 posted on 09/21/2012 3:40:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bigheadfred

When I was of schoolin’ age, most of the school faculties were human. Not too sure nowadays.


31 posted on 09/21/2012 3:43:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Little Bill; Fred Nerks

Well said.

Immanuel Velikovsky to Claude F. A. Schaeffer
http://www.varchive.org/cor/schaeffer/610417vs.htm
[snip] One of the most amazing spectacles that I have observed is this: Those very men who observed and described the great catastrophes fall back and defend the theory of uniformity with even greater jealousy than their colleagues who never wavered and never were even tempted to question the ever harmonious run of centuries. Here is the case of Professor F. Rainey, presently with the University of Pennsylvania; him I quoted on p. I of “Earth in Upheaval” and please look up: “Wide cuts, often several miles in length” are sliced by giant machines in Alaska; “This ‘muck’ contains enormous numbers of frozen bones of extinct animals such as the mammoth, mastodon, super-bison and horse” (Rainey). [/snip]


32 posted on 09/21/2012 4:16:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Towed_Jumper

;’)


33 posted on 09/21/2012 4:44:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Evolution in Your Face
by Patrick Huyghe
Omni
Lake Victoria, Africa's largest lake, is home to more than 300 species of cichlids. These fish, which are popular in aquariums, are deep-bodied and have one nostril, rather than the usual two, on each side of the head. Seismic profiles and cores of the lake taken by a team headed by Thomas C. Johnson of the University of Minnesota, reveal that the lake dried up completely about 12,400 years ago. This means that the rate of speciation of cichlid fishes has been extremely rapid: something on average of one new species every 40 years!
12,400 years ago? Hydrologic cycle came to a screeching whoa for some reason, hmm, what could it have been? And might it have been 12, 900 years ago?


34 posted on 09/21/2012 4:45:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Big Rock? Whole lot of stuff happened at the end of the Last Ice Age and no one has a clue. Then there was the Maunder Minimum no one has a clue there either.


35 posted on 09/21/2012 4:56:13 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: SunkenCiv; Little Bill; ForGod'sSake
...Those very men who observed and described the great catastrophes fall back and defend the theory of uniformity...

Darwin is another example, what he saw and wrote in his private journals, was left out of his The Origin of Species.

Darwin Puzzles Over the Evidence

In his book The Origin of Species Darwin wrote, "The extinction of species has been involved in the most gratuitous mystery.

No one can have marveled more than I have at the extinction of species" (Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, New York: Collier, 1962, p. 341).

Darwin was referring to his five-year cruise as amateur naturalist aboard the H.M.S. Beagle. In his notes he revealed WHY he and the paleontologists of today, "are puzzled by the record of catastrophic death found in the rocks."

"What then, has exterminated so many species and whole genera?" Darwin asked in astonishment. "The mind at first is irresistibly hurried into the belief of some great catastrophe; but thus to destroy animals, both large and small, in Southern Patagonia, in Brazil, on the Cordillera of Peru, in North America up to Behring's [Bering's] Straits, WE MUST SHAKE THE ENTIRE FRAMEWORK OF THE GLOBE" (Charles Darwin, Journal of Researches into the Natural History and Geology of the Countries Visited During the Voyage of H.M.S. Beagle Round the World, citation under date of January 9, 1834).

What he wrote in his notes never reached the book he wrote years later. His patron Lyell, the father of Uniformitarianism, wouldn't have approved...

36 posted on 09/21/2012 5:38:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks; blam
Big Rock? Something happened but don't expect to see the answer in peer reviewed journals for awhile. Those people look in the mirror and see their mentor.

Think about the time it took Monte Verde in Chili to get a somewhat approval.

37 posted on 09/21/2012 5:54:55 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: BrandtMichaels

I don’t know what section you were sending me to but chances are I’ve most likely read it since I have previously spent some time at the site.


38 posted on 09/21/2012 7:24:19 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: Fred Nerks
I have done ZERO studying about this lawyer come geologist(?) LIAR Lyell fellow, but still in all I have to wonder how it was he was able to pull off his incredible feat and stand much of science on its head. Was there an enormous ego at work or an agenda; or both? It's probably not worth the effort to try to get to the bottom of it but it might be instructive for us to keep in mind how apparently easy it is to accomplish something on this scale with the proper connections. The bigger the lie, or something like that???
39 posted on 09/21/2012 8:51:51 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/614600/uniformitarianism

excerpt:

“The idea that the laws that govern geologic processes have not changed during the history of the Earth were articulated by the 18th-century Scottish geologist James Hutton, who in 1785 presented his ideas—later published in two volumes as Theory of the Earth (1795)—at meetings of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. In this work Hutton showed that the Earth had a long history and that this history could be interpreted in terms of processes observed at the present, of which he gave examples. He showed, for instance, how soils were formed by the weathering of rocks and how layers of sediment accumulated. He stated that there was no need of any preternatural cause to explain the geologic record. Hutton’s proposal challenged the concept of a biblical Earth (with a history of some 6,000 years) that was created especially to be a home for man; the effect of his ideas on the learned world can be compared only with the earlier revolution in thought brought about by Nicolaus Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, and Galileo when they displaced the concept of a universe centred on the Earth with the concept of a solar system centred on the Sun. Both advances challenged existing thought and were fiercely resisted for many years. In the publication Principles of Geology, 3 vol. (1830–33), the Scottish geologist Sir Charles Lyell deciphered the history of the Earth employing Huttonian principles and made available a host of new geologic evidence in support of the view that physical laws were permanent and that any form of supernaturalism can be rejected. Lyell’s work in turn profoundly influenced Charles Darwin, who recognized Lyell as having produced a revolution in science...”


They were simply working on theories using what information was available to them at the time. Lyell followed Hutton, and Darwin needed the long spans of time to explain his theory of evolution. The catastrophists understood that the earth wasn’t created six thousand years ago...what was created was the landscape, not the globe.

No one deserves to be called a liar imo. It’s a matter of interpretation, and clinging to dogma. In the case of Darwin he had to close his eyes to what he saw.


40 posted on 09/21/2012 9:15:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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