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Proof Positive - In My Opinion (who created Innocence of Muslims)(Obama)
Youtube ^ | Sept. 20, 2012 | Montagraph

Posted on 09/20/2012 10:33:42 PM PDT by TigersEye

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To: superfries

I didn’t ask about that. I knew that.


51 posted on 09/21/2012 1:46:06 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: superfries

I didn’t ask a question in post #33. I made a statement.


52 posted on 09/21/2012 1:47:08 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

The guy’s a wackadoodle. He’s got another youtube clip up where he’s promoting the Keshe Foundation, which is headed up by an Iranian who claims Iran is ‘light years’ ahead of NASA in space technology and travel, with all sorts of fantastic energy and other claims.

He tries to make it sound bizarre that a web site in one state is hosted by a service in another state. Part of his ‘evidence’ of a Fitna connection is a link to an article that merely states that the Fitna sequel will address the ‘real life of Mohammed’ (or whatever), not as he claims, that that will be the film title.

I’m not saying that the US government isn’t behind the making of the film, only that this guy is wacky and he hasn’t presented actual evidence thereof.


53 posted on 09/21/2012 1:47:22 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TigersEye

what is with the sudden hostility ?
I’m not accusing you of anything just trying to carry on a convo. I’ll leave you be.....have a good night.


54 posted on 09/21/2012 1:50:56 AM PDT by superfries
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To: 9YearLurker
Part of his ‘evidence’ of a Fitna connection is a link to an article that merely states that the Fitna sequel will address the ‘real life of Mohammed’ (or whatever), not as he claims, that that will be the film title.

The only point he makes about that is that Fitna was a film that stirred up the muzzies and the sequel was going to be named "The Real Life of Mohammed" which happens to be one of the four names given to Nikoulas film aka "Innocence of Muslims." Maybe he is a wackadoodle I don't know. But those are either facts or they're not and you can make something of it or not.

55 posted on 09/21/2012 1:51:52 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: superfries

What hostility? You made statements that were incorrect and I corrected you. Nothing more.


56 posted on 09/21/2012 1:52:57 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: superfries

ahhh. So perhaps anonymous is doing a lolz on him?


57 posted on 09/21/2012 1:57:10 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: TigersEye

Yeah, but the link he provides doesn’t claim that the sequel is going to have that title at all, only that that is the subject matter.

As to his wackadoodleness, check out another of his youtube posts, ‘The Hidden Reason To Attack Iran?’:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3g_RBWiadE&feature=relmfu


58 posted on 09/21/2012 1:59:41 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TigersEye

WOW, TigersEye, what a great find...thank you for the link. I’m looking forward to watching them later. Hopefully it’ll put my mind at rest, as to why a Copt would endanger his relatives back in Egypt, for an extremely bad movie. I still think it’s too much of a coincidence but certainly an added bonus if the reason was to incite.


59 posted on 09/21/2012 3:47:43 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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BFL


60 posted on 09/21/2012 6:46:22 AM PDT by ChowChowFace
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To: TigersEye
You’re dismissing all those years he spent studying and bull-sessioning on Marxism and his years with ACORN and other orgs leading and lecturing them on tactics and strategies awfully lightly.

No I am not dismissing anything. Have you seen videos of ACORN employees. That was a piece of cake given his upbringing. He is a perfumed prince, I can still see his face when he finally met with the Republicans on that healthcare 'chat'... I WON!!! Not in the slightest intellectual. He is full of himself and a bully of a five year old mentality. The 'real' force behind him programs his teleprompter, as he is the image of whatever leftist cause they need to keep in tow. Think about it, our military is sending in drones to kill terrorists, and our brave souls took out OBL... you think that does not grate against his inners?

He has old bjClintion doing 'ads' for his reelection, talk about deferring to the first black president. Love is no longer flowing his way anywhere.

61 posted on 09/21/2012 9:16:05 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Just mythoughts

OK.


62 posted on 09/21/2012 9:46:41 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: 9YearLurker
Yeah, but the link he provides doesn’t claim that the sequel is going to have that title at all, only that that is the subject matter.

I don't see any link at all to a webpage about a sequel to Fitna.

63 posted on 09/21/2012 9:50:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: 9YearLurker

Sorry, I found it and you are right. I was looking at links under the wrong video.


64 posted on 09/21/2012 9:57:05 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: 9YearLurker

I just watched “The Hidden Reason To Attack Iran ?”. His theory about why we want to attack Iran is out there but there is nothing wackadoodle about it or the other things he’s talking about. That’s a real stretch.


65 posted on 09/21/2012 10:07:29 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: bronxville
I still think it’s too much of a coincidence but certainly an added bonus if the reason was to incite.

I'm thinking the vid was more of a coverup excuse for attacks they knew were coming. That's certainly how they used it for over a week and they pushed that scenario hard.

66 posted on 09/21/2012 10:19:25 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Not sure how to even respond to this one.


67 posted on 09/21/2012 10:20:35 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: TigersEye

False-flag bump.


68 posted on 09/21/2012 10:25:14 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: superfries

Weird stuff to say the least.


69 posted on 09/21/2012 10:31:14 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

I hear you. To me it’s something to file in the back of my mind and see if any of it pops up from other sources.


70 posted on 09/21/2012 10:33:57 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

Same set of actions for me.


71 posted on 09/21/2012 10:46:51 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: TigersEye

You don’t think the world-beater fantasy claims of the Keshe Foundation and the Iranian Mr. Keshe, which is what he bases his Iran argument on, are wackadoodle?


72 posted on 09/21/2012 10:47:34 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TigersEye

I think this is highly plausible. 0bama’s allegiance requires him to thwart an attack on Iran at all costs. I am a hardcore American but I tell ya what; If 0bama orders our F-22’s stationed in that area to attack Israel’s fighters, I hope we lose that battle. I can’t see any American pilot executing such a mission but.. Who the hell knows. 0bama purposely stoking the flames of ME rioting by constantly talking about THE MOVIE boxes Israel into a corner. SOMEHOW, discussion of Iran’s progress on weaponized nuclear needs to get back into the press, but we know they’re working for 0bama, so..


73 posted on 09/21/2012 10:49:54 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: 9YearLurker

Was Nikola Tesla a wackadoodle? But let’s get back to Montagraph. We were talking about whether he was a wackadoodle not Keshe. You switched subjects on me.


74 posted on 09/21/2012 10:56:08 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
It's pretty clear where 0bama stands on Iran vs. Israel.

We don't support Israeli attack, US tells Iran

0bama sent a letter to Tehran a few days before Sept. 11th assuring them that the U.S. will do nothing to help Israel. Taking that off of the table removes a big worry for them that might have made them think twice. Iran is good to go now with 0bama's blessing.

75 posted on 09/21/2012 11:01:04 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

The second is to push the U.S. further into decline in order to force and cajole Americans into accepting his dream of a Marxist socialist society.


What better way to convience Americans of his nonsense than to outlaw “domestic terrorist” speech like that film that supposedly caused jihadist violence to explode everywhere?

Domestic terrorists and their dangerous “hate speech” is
now formally classified as Obama’s American political and social enemies in the military, DOJ and Homeland inSecurity. If he can outlaw their hate speech...global utopia, here he comes.


76 posted on 09/21/2012 11:11:06 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: 9YearLurker

Kill the messanger is easy with kookville youtubers. What did you find out about the message? Did you look into his story?


77 posted on 09/21/2012 11:21:23 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Irenic; TigersEye; Swirl; Just mythoughts; IwaCornDogs; TXDeb; Springfield Reformer

Check this out....long but very interesting....https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VLfpMfMVIu4#!


78 posted on 09/21/2012 11:33:51 AM PDT by superfries
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To: TigersEye

No, he bases his whole Iranian argument on the bizarre claims of Keshe and his foundation, which I take to likely be some form of over-the-top Iranian government propaganda.

And I already pointed out where he misrepresented stuff in this original video of his that you posted.

And as I also offered, he has zero proof of anything that he claims.

Again, that’s not to say that the movie isn’t some sort of US government operation, as I think that’s very plausible. He just hasn’t given legitimate proof, let alone, ‘proof positive’.


79 posted on 09/21/2012 11:49:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: superfries

I tried to listen to that guy last night. I got through 17 minutes and it seemed more like 17 hours. Not knocking what he’s saying but, wow, he is really hard to listen to. I don’t know if he ever got to his point about Montagraph in those first 17 minutes.


80 posted on 09/21/2012 11:51:19 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: 9YearLurker
No, he bases his whole Iranian argument on the bizarre claims of Keshe and his foundation,...

And I said his theory was "out there."

...which I take to likely be some form of over-the-top Iranian government propaganda.

Everyone has a conspiracy theory I guess. lol

And I already pointed out where he misrepresented stuff in this original video of his that you posted.

You showed he was mistaken about one thing, the title of the sequel to Fitna. A point that is irrelevant to connections he made through internet footprint tracking.

And as I also offered, he has zero proof of anything that he claims.

Which he said himself.

81 posted on 09/21/2012 11:58:58 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: superfries

Is this guy paralyzed or handicapped? Or did you just run across this?

It is very interesting but this is a big red flag *ALL TRUTHERS watch the whole video *

I am starting to think this is some giant lulz game and we’ve been inadvertently caught in their net....

I never thought I would see the day I even considered some of this chit! hahaha

But here I sit not very sure of anything any longer.


82 posted on 09/21/2012 12:04:20 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: TigersEye

I also pointed out that he tried to make something sinister about web sites based in FL but hosted in CA.

That’s right, he says in the video it is opinion, but in his title he calls it ‘proof positive’.

I think his digging is useful. I’d like to see some digging on who posted the video where the thugs drag Stevens out, but with the dubbed translation into English all deceptively done so as to make it look like they were trying to take him to the hospital (part of Obama’s original cover story) rather than celebrating their conquest over him.


83 posted on 09/21/2012 12:23:22 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
That’s right, he says in the video it is opinion, but in his title he calls it ‘proof positive’.

Titles get people to click.

I think his digging is useful.

Good. That's why I posted this.

84 posted on 09/21/2012 12:28:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: superfries

oic, this guy and the other guy are ‘camera whores’—broadcasting little shows etc, a weakness was seen in these two guys and they are also both desirous of attention.

Soooo...

These guys are being mind-f’d for the entertainment of the lulzsec? ebaum? anon?. These fellas did make some interesting discoveries but if the crumbs were laid before them, well...it wouldn’t be as Obey me says—organic, natural.

I think we are dealing with a well organized and planned attack here. Well, at least they are.


85 posted on 09/21/2012 12:32:42 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

not sure but I set up a google alert last night on Monagraph and this came to me this morning. He might be using a voice garbler.


86 posted on 09/21/2012 3:22:14 PM PDT by superfries
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To: superfries

I’m bookmarking this thread. Obama and Hillery are still
flopping back and forth about the video as cause.
They have all but beat that horse to death and still trying
to use it. I was thinking that they thought it would cover
for her incompetency. Those videos would give a reason for
the finger pointing at video/cause. Lots of loose ends.


87 posted on 09/21/2012 4:13:54 PM PDT by jusduat (on the mercy of the Lord alone.)
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To: Irenic

Yes, he says 3/4 ways into it that he’s had a brain tumor removed and had a brain aneurysm and by all rights should be dead.


88 posted on 09/21/2012 5:18:06 PM PDT by IwaCornDogs ("There Will Be Bamboozeling" ~ Nobama 08')
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To: IwaCornDogs

Yeah, I heard that he’s a blessed man. I had posted before I listened to the whole thing. Once I listened to all of it, it appears that a group of lulzs sorts have latched onto him for cruel entertainment and have been tormenting him and the other guy Morph? for a while now.

So I don’t know if the stuff that they’ve found is some trick/game the lulz kids are playing with these guys for their kicks.

They have found some interesting information but it is hard to trust any of their finds if some internet lulz sorts are in the mix.


89 posted on 09/21/2012 5:47:40 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

Also, I hope these lulz kids don’t push and toy with these two men too hard.

They appear to be conspiracy theorists and perhaps Truthers and I worry they could be pushed over the edge.

I think about that guy who flew his small plane into a bldg in Austin, Texas.

I don’t know how stable and absorbed into their theories and belief that they are battling the gov’t or world order sorts is.

Anyone can be pushed over the edge when mind-f’d too hard.


90 posted on 09/21/2012 5:55:10 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

Whether they are being toyed with or not these guys are on the same level as the ANON crowd as far as cyber.........the bottom line is people who do not want denial of service attacks need to put their web pages on cloud networks and hide their ISPs and that is what this cloudshare (sp?) program does. It keeps folks like anon from hacking and implementing denial of service attacks to keep their websites open and making money. Look at the folks who use are. Now the same can be said for spook ops using this type of cloud web hosting service ......it makes anyone who uses the service appear suspect but in some cases it is just good business sense.

What I find interesting is the tracing of the ISP’s to Chicago!


91 posted on 09/21/2012 8:41:30 PM PDT by superfries
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To: superfries

That the Chicago trace is interesting. Wasn’t there some big Anon occupiers arrested there? They were supportive of the NOI? something..I will dig up that old story and post it.


92 posted on 09/21/2012 8:53:14 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: superfries

Thanks, superfries! I ran across his vid on another forum and took it with a grain of salt but posted it in another thread to get opinion.

Problem is......we are sooooo fed up with being lied to day in and day out. Don’t know WHAT to believe, anymore.

And that....in its self.....is dangerous. (Thanks to the MSM)

Many FReepers, here, are incredibly astute...and can call BS or not.


93 posted on 09/21/2012 8:57:19 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks, TigerEye. I wanted this to be ‘put through the ringer’ to see if he was ‘on to something’.

I know there are many kooks out there.....but, hey, you never know.

FReepers are EXCELLENT at forensics, digging, and verifying! Beats all I’ve every seen, really. :-)

Thanks for posting.


94 posted on 09/21/2012 9:01:18 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: superfries

Anonymous unmasked: hacker ringleader turned FBI informant

Anonymous and its spinoffs, including LulzSec, could be seriously damaged by the arrests of a half dozen high-level hackers.

By Mark Clayton, Staff writer / March 6, 2012

Another person charged Tuesday, Jeremy Hammond of Chicago, was arrested Monday by the FBI. He is charged with hacking into Strategic Forecasting, Inc. (“Stratfor”), a global intelligence firm in Austin, Texas, in December. He may have stolen confidential information concerning 860,000 people.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0306/Anonymous-unmasked-hacker-ringleader-turned-FBI-informant

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Rose told me that while her son detests Glenn Beck (“He called him a liar”), Jeremy confirmed to her that information that he gathered by hacking buttressed Beck’s claim that some groups, including Anonymous, are working toward trying to “bring down capitalism” in the United States. And while Collins says that her son never told her that any members of the federal government were involved “Jeremy also went to UIC and he bragged that he met with Bill Ayers.” Ayers is the controversial retired professor from University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) who used to be part of the Weather Underground, a 1970s far-left radical group responsible for bombings and other criminal acts in the United States. Ayers and Barack Obama were friends in Chicago, served on the same boards and Ayers even contributed money to Obama’s first campaign.

Collins also said that Jeremy claimed that he was working with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, a black supremacist group in Chicago, as a part of his work with Anonymous, to promote an Islamic takeover of the United States.
http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2012/03/16/hacktivists_mom_has_a_few_questions_for_anonymous/page/full/

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Another story, not sure if we can post any of their stuff (broken link by space between h&t):

h ttp://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-07/news/ct-met-jeremy-hammond-hacker-20120307_1_computer-hackers-mainframe-computer-home-computer/2


95 posted on 09/21/2012 9:11:38 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: TigersEye

That’s some pretty crazy stuff. So, who is encyclopediadramatica and what’s their credibility?
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They are a spawn of 4chan.


96 posted on 09/21/2012 9:11:49 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: bronxville

why a Copt would endanger his relatives back in Egypt, for an extremely bad movie. I still think it’s too much of a coincidence but certainly an added bonus if the reason was to incite.
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And WHY would ‘the authorities’ parade ‘a figure’ (who we may assume to me this movie maker....totally cloaked, BTW) in a perp walk?????? For all the media to see????


97 posted on 09/21/2012 9:17:35 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
I think Obama is a Muslim. Will the antichrist practice "taquia"??
98 posted on 09/21/2012 9:19:01 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Irenic

I am fairly new to this cyber stuff....been doing a ton of reading on it lately though......check this out.....this is truly unbelievable....CloudFlare is hosting LulzSec (hackers website) and then they start hacking the CIA and the counter hackers and the CIA try to figure out how to take down LulzSec’s website and tun into CloudFlare......CloudFlare records it all...the govt and white hatters trying to take down LulzSec. But no one asks CloudFlare to take down their shields that protect their clients.

http://www.zdnet.com/cloudflare-how-we-got-caught-in-lulzsec-cia-crossfire-3040095169/


99 posted on 09/21/2012 9:28:24 PM PDT by superfries
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

This could be a ploy to stop Israel from striking Iran just because of protests over a movie (dumbass public’s perception). Discussion of the Iran nuke facility is all forgotten about now.
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That actually crossed my mind (this morning) as well. New new moon is this weekend.

Thought that this ‘movie’ was ‘waiting in the wings’ to use as a ‘false flag’ to enrage the ME and Israel would think twice before striking (it would further increase the protests). I think the ‘Libya’ mess may have ‘gotten in the way’. JMO.

That’s why I think the statements from the Feds may have been muddled.

Maybe this timing really ‘hit the unfortunate fan’.


100 posted on 09/21/2012 9:31:09 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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