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N.J. bans driver's license smiles
upi ^ | Sept. 20, 2012

Posted on 09/21/2012 6:54:46 AM PDT by JoeProBono

TRENTON, N.J., - New Jersey officials said the ban on smiling for driver's licenses is due to facial recognition software designed to prevent fraud.

Mike Horan, spokesman for the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission, said people posing for driver's license pictures are asked to refrain from smiling or making other facial expressions so as not to confuse the facial recognition software, the Philadelphia Daily News reported Thursday.

The spokesman said the software, which was adopted in January, is designed to prevent anyone who already has a license from getting a second document under a different name.

"That could be someone trying to steal someone else's identity to get insurance benefits, or someone trying to get out of a DUI by getting a license under another name," Horan said. "This helps us weed out fraud."

Jan McKnight, a Pennsylvania Department of Transportation spokeswoman, said her state also uses the software, but smiling is not a problem.

"You can smile in Pennsylvania," she said.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: driverslicense; facerecognition; identitytheft; nj; nosmiling


1 posted on 09/21/2012 6:54:52 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

That’s just nuts. I smile most of the time. :)


2 posted on 09/21/2012 7:02:13 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: JoeProBono

We can’t smile in PA it has always been that way.


3 posted on 09/21/2012 7:02:20 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: JoeProBono

The person who making doing the “no smile” rules, apparently has a very small idea as to how fascial recognition works.

The ratio of the width of your eye, the distance between eyes to nose, along with angles, eye to chin, position of nose to chin, position of ears on the face, shape of the face, lines in the chin, cheeks - these are things that do not typically move and are not affected by hairstyle, makeup or wigs.

Further, some camera’s use infra-red lenses that can see-through your sunglasses, wigs and makeup (and many other articles of clothing - by the way).


4 posted on 09/21/2012 7:02:45 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: RedMDer

Never fear, this rule is meaningless. Nobody ever smiles in a NJ DMV office. Trust me.


5 posted on 09/21/2012 7:03:56 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: JoeProBono

My passport picture looks like I’m half dead and angry enough to strangle an annoying mid-level bureaucrat who has nothing better to do that p@#( me off. So it is perfect for getting through customs in any country. :-)


6 posted on 09/21/2012 7:06:25 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: RedMDer

Virginia started this a few years ago. Every photo looks like a mug shot. Very unattractive!


7 posted on 09/21/2012 7:07:59 AM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: pepsi_junkie

In Maryland, our licenses expire on our birthday and many people wait until then to renew. Happy Birthdays have been song to each other. LOL.


8 posted on 09/21/2012 7:07:59 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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9 posted on 09/21/2012 7:08:06 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

10 posted on 09/21/2012 7:09:15 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: Hodar


11 posted on 09/21/2012 7:10:47 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Is that an auto driver’s license? It also says, “Class D Boat”. Same license for both, maybe?


12 posted on 09/21/2012 7:11:19 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Libs, dems, unions, leftist scum & murderous muzzies - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: pepsi_junkie

NJ DMV


13 posted on 09/21/2012 7:15:26 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: carriage_hill

D Boat’s the guys street name


14 posted on 09/21/2012 7:17:27 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

NJ would be happy with my TX drivers license. Not only am I not smiling it looks like I am crying and I have 2 black eyes. The expired license was the best photo I have ever taken, this new one is the worst. I was waiting for the woman to tell me to get ready when she said “that’s it you can go now”!


15 posted on 09/21/2012 7:19:16 AM PDT by Ditter
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16 posted on 09/21/2012 7:23:21 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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17 posted on 09/21/2012 7:25:19 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is neo-lysenkoism.)
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To: JoeProBono

“Organ Donor”? I feel sorry for the poor soul who ends up with that idiots brain.


18 posted on 09/21/2012 7:26:12 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: JoeProBono; tanknetter

Dang, Joe.

That’s EXACTLY the way I’ve always pictured you!


19 posted on 09/21/2012 7:42:46 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: JoeProBono
The spokesman said the software, which was adopted in January, is designed to prevent anyone who already has a license from getting a second document under a different name.

That's the DMV software. But of course the photos will be used in the facial recognition software which will soon be tracking our movements everywhere.

20 posted on 09/21/2012 7:45:05 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: JoeProBono

The State Trooper who took our pictures after we finished drivers’ ed in high school instructed us not to smile. When one of the gals insisted on smiling, he said something to the effect of “I don’t think you will be smiling when you get pulled over by a police officer”.


21 posted on 09/21/2012 7:49:35 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 ("It's better to vote for a Republican you don't know than wind up with a dim you don't like".)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

22 posted on 09/21/2012 7:49:35 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono
You know what's fascinating about that chart is that, to me, that does not appear to be a measurement of trustworthiness - it appears to be a measurement of masculine vs. feminine features. The guy on the left merely looks meaner than the guy on the right, but that doesn't necessarily correlate to "less trustworthy". The feminized guy is less threatening, maybe, but a milquetoast will screw you over as fast as a mean guy, sometimes faster because he doesn't have the guts to withstand things like peer pressure and intimidation.

As far as trustworthiness goes, I have more trust in masculine men because they tend to be the types who actually live by their word, whereas the feminine-looking guys seem to be the ones who just go with the path of least resistance. Looking at the scale at the top, the ones I would pick out as being more trustworthy-looking would be the ones just to the left of neutral.

This sort of "science" is probably the result of years of anti-male propaganda which have attempted to equate masculinity with criminal behavior.
23 posted on 09/21/2012 8:03:16 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: JoeProBono

I wouldn’t live in that ****ing state ! Been there a few times and it is nice to leave NJ.


24 posted on 09/21/2012 8:20:21 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: JoeProBono
Those are 2 distictively different faces. The skull shape is different, the indentation between the nose and the forehead are different, the shape of the jaw is different, the eyes are different in position, as well as shape. Facial recognitions would not identify these two different individuals as the same person - because they aren't he same person. You posted traits that people find "trustworthy".


25 posted on 09/21/2012 8:29:26 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Hodar

>You posted traits that people find “trustworthy”.

I posted a silly picture


26 posted on 09/21/2012 8:33:36 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: HokieMom
Every photo looks like a mug shot

That's the plan. Will be a snap to convince the jury that you're guilty when declared an Enemy of the State.


27 posted on 09/21/2012 9:03:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JoeProBono

Half a mustache and black eyes but at least he is smiling. :D


28 posted on 09/21/2012 9:14:36 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: pepsi_junkie

As someone who just renewed my license this week, I agree with you.

What a bunch of bureaucratic, stupid, nasty people at the NJ DMV!


29 posted on 09/21/2012 9:55:13 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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