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Dems In Pa County Will Issue Voter ID
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Posted on 09/21/2012 11:47:01 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba

I haven't been here long enough to post this in News, but many of you read all new posts. In today's paper, I see the democrats in Montgomery County, PA, are using a "loophole" in the voter ID law to have nursing homes in the county issue voter ID cards. Believe me they control these institutions. The article in today's paper makes no bones about this being the democrats who control the county, using a loophole to issue their own voter ID's.

I knew they would start printing voter ID's up and can assure you they will allow fraud to occur.


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1 posted on 09/21/2012 11:47:07 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba
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To: Andrei Bulba
Commissioners approve issuance of voter ID cards at county nursing home

2 posted on 09/21/2012 11:51:28 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: Andrei Bulba

This is in a front page Philadelphia Enquirer article. Above that story is a headline that NJ’s unemployment rate is 9.9% ! The article says the unemployment rate is a “problem for Governor Christie” - not Obama.


3 posted on 09/21/2012 11:52:48 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: RedMDer

Ty


4 posted on 09/21/2012 11:53:29 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Andrei Bulba

How do ya get the dead to show ID?


5 posted on 09/21/2012 12:00:34 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Andrei Bulba

They are doing this in Allegheny County, too, through the County owned Kane Nursing Centers and the Allegheny County Community College.


6 posted on 09/21/2012 12:01:42 PM PDT by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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To: Andrei Bulba

The libs can’t win an election without vote fraud.


7 posted on 09/21/2012 12:02:00 PM PDT by History Repeats (Drink plenty of TEA, but avoid the Koolaid.)
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To: Puppage

You allow a voter to get multiple ID’s


8 posted on 09/21/2012 12:03:29 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Andrei Bulba

The article specifically states that the ID to be issued is a PHOTO ID. It would be an official County document and could only be used legally, therefore safely, by the person whose picture is on it.

This sounds very much to me what the Commonwealth General Assembly had in mind.

The only argument I see is that a uniform statewide standard is preferable, which is probably why Corbett and others object.

So let the state set the standard and order the counties to conform to it. In the meantime let election monitors scrutinize any photo ID presented.


9 posted on 09/21/2012 12:16:09 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Andrei Bulba
If I read the article correctly, they are having one county owned nursing home in Royersford issue the cards, since it is a county run facility.
10 posted on 09/21/2012 12:17:20 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Andrei Bulba
DO tell!
11 posted on 09/21/2012 12:24:28 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: smoothsailing
And they could issue Photo ID's for people who've died in their nursing home as well, and the Commonwealth has a poor record of purging the rolls.

If the photo of a live person is issued to a dead name, what exactly will clerks and judges of elections (I am one, although not in this county) be able to "scrutinize?"

Nursing homes are run by SEIU. Beginning to understand the problem?

12 posted on 09/21/2012 12:38:28 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Who ya gonna believe? Your metrosexual smartphone or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: Andrei Bulba
You allow a voter to get multiple ID’s

In away, the multiple ID's make it easier to cheat... because you have documentation of your false identities.

13 posted on 09/21/2012 1:03:37 PM PDT by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: FredZarguna
Beginning to understand the problem?

I'm way past beginning to understand. The challenge is to reduce fraud. No thinking person believes it will be completely eliminated.

If the photo of a live person is issued to a dead name, what exactly will clerks and judges of elections (I am one, although not in this county) be able to "scrutinize?"

Look at it this way, how many people under 70 years old will vote illegally using these phony photo IDs. Think about that one for a while.

14 posted on 09/21/2012 2:09:02 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
You have GOT to be kidding.

Giving SEIU workers control over voter ID is like giving Los Zetas control of the FDA. Far from "reducing fraud" this is an open invitation to commit it.

How many people OF ANY AGE would willingly commit vote fraud? Answer: plenty. It's well-documented.

How many people over 70 would be willing to mis-identify themselves as over-70 dead people to cast multiple votes? Answer: No fewer than in any other demographic cohort.

Or are you of the silly opinion that there are no Leftists over 70 years old?

15 posted on 09/21/2012 2:38:13 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Who ya gonna believe? Your metrosexual smartphone or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: FredZarguna
Calm yourself down and read this again:

The only argument I see is that a uniform statewide standard is preferable, which is probably why Corbett and others object.

So let the state set the standard and order the counties to conform to it. In the meantime let election monitors scrutinize any photo ID presented.

That's my opinion on the matter. Now, what do you suggest should be done to address Montgomery County's decision to issue photo ID cards, given Governor Corbett's decision to take no action?

16 posted on 09/21/2012 3:42:16 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
I'm perfectly calm, and I'm glad to see you've retracted your claim that this is anything but an invitation to commit vote fraud by ignoring your reply to my original objection. In your rejoinder, you pretended that the action taken by the commissioners is better than nothing.

No, it isn't. It's a method of rendering the requirement of a law against vote fraud a nullity (or worse) by allowing the premiere perpetrators of vote fraud in the Commonwealth a license to print "voter ID's."

The fact that Corbett has taken no action doesn't change that fact.

But that is a political matter, not a practical one. The practical concern is that election monitors you're placing so much faith in will have nothing to "scrutinize." Republican and third-party lawyers need to be present when these ID's are produced, and have full access to the process. No Judge of Election will be able to challenge fraudulent IDs once issued. Think for a second: How would it even be possible?

The only remedy left is a legal one: to challenge the issuance of a public document by a private party, or, if under public supervision, that does not permit full transparency under PA's sunshine laws.

17 posted on 09/21/2012 4:38:27 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Who ya gonna believe? Your metrosexual smartphone or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: FredZarguna

I’ve retracted nothing, nor have I pretended anything. My words stand as posted.

Of course the law will ultimately decide these matters, up to and including the Voter ID law itself, although at this late date it is highly doubtful that it will do so with any finality before Nov. 6th.


18 posted on 09/21/2012 6:07:29 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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19 posted on 09/21/2012 6:21:00 PM PDT by randita
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To: smoothsailing
My words stand as posted.

Oh, OK, then you stand by the ridiculous claim that voter fraud in the upper age quartile isn't an issue, as well as the claim that a judge/clerk of elections will be able to examine a photo of the wrong person with a dead man's name on it and somehow "divine" that he is not who he claims to be.

Thanks for the clarification. I sure don't want to put words into your mouth.

20 posted on 09/21/2012 8:05:09 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Who ya gonna believe? Your metrosexual smartphone or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: FredZarguna
Oh, OK, then you stand by the ridiculous claim that voter fraud in the upper age quartile isn't an issue

Nonsense, I made no such claim.

as well as the claim that a judge/clerk of elections will be able to examine a photo of the wrong person with a dead man's name on it and somehow "divine" that he is not who he claims to be.

Again, I made no such claim. I said election monitors would have to scrutinize any photo ID presented until the state ordered the counties to comply with a uniform statewide standard.

I sure don't want to put words into your mouth.

LOL, then stop doing it.

21 posted on 09/21/2012 8:45:33 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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