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Home Defense: ďIf You Canít Protect It, You Donít Own ItĒ
SHTF Plan ^ | 9/21/12 | Tess Pennington

Posted on 09/21/2012 2:31:56 PM PDT by Kartographer

“If you can’t protect it, you don’t own it;” this popular prepping phrase describes the mentality the unprepared have about you and your preps. I’m not saying it’s fair that people could steal from you, but it’s a reality, and a concern you should not take lightly. The fact is that crime seems to escalate in the aftermath of a disaster; something we have seen with many disasters, and as recently as Hurricane Isaac.

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1 posted on 09/21/2012 2:31:59 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 09/21/2012 2:33:32 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

That has been my motto.

“YOU ONLY OWN THAT WHICH YOU ARE ABLE AND WILLING TO PROTECT”

By whatever means... calling a cop, a lawyer, your hands, your guns.

To me it is the definition of “ownership”


3 posted on 09/21/2012 2:36:05 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Kartographer

For handguns the writer seems to favor semiautomatics. I will generally agree - to a point. For things that go bump in the night I favor a double action revolver - mine is a .357 mag. The double action’s harder trigger pull give you some additonal time to be sure of your target and back off. Some semi’s are not as forgiving, except for those who can be set up for a double action first trigger pull. A revolver is simpler in operation - key if deaing with a middle of the night event. However, during awake periods, semi’s offer more rounds and good fire power.


4 posted on 09/21/2012 2:39:25 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Kartographer

“...the SKS is chambered in a standard NATO round of 7.62mm x 39mm.”

NATO?


5 posted on 09/21/2012 2:41:45 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: aquila48

“YOU ONLY OWN THAT WHICH YOU ARE ABLE AND WILLING TO PROTECT”

Seems like that would mean that if you are not able and willing to protect it then you don’t own it and if I take it I’m not stealing it from you.

I don’t think I agree with that.


6 posted on 09/21/2012 2:45:11 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Godzilla

I like my shotgun for things that go bump in the night. The sound of a shell getting racked in the dark is enough to bring many to Jesus!


7 posted on 09/21/2012 2:46:01 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Yeah. Mac and I are pretty tight.


8 posted on 09/21/2012 2:47:43 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: Kartographer
I like my shotgun for things that go bump in the night. The sound of a shell getting racked in the dark is enough to bring many to Jesus!

Indeed! I have a 12 gauge as well that will be loaded based upon the situation. but I like my ruger SP101 too. I just feel more comfortable at this time with my .357.

9 posted on 09/21/2012 2:49:06 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: KrisKrinkle
I wonder if the Warsaw Pact nations would be suprised?

/johnny

10 posted on 09/21/2012 2:51:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: KrisKrinkle

The referred NATO round was the 7.62mm x 51mm, also known in the commercial world, as the Winchester .308.

The .30-06 has an effective range of 1000 yds., and is gloriously tied to the M1 Garand.

The .308 has an effective range of 500 yds., and is the round that fed that other great rifle, the M-14 Springfield.

The 7.62 x 39mm was NEVER a NATO round, but was employed by the Soviet Union and the Soviet Bloc nations. It is the weapon of terrorists the world over.

I refuse to own any and all models of any rifle that chambers that cartridge, because it is un-American, SHTF folks or not.

I still believe that, an American-design lever action rifle, is superior. Why? “Mr.AK 7.62 by 39” can have a spray and pray day all day long, but that day can be interrupted by “Mr. Guide Gun 45-70”, just once, to be a bad day.


11 posted on 09/21/2012 3:11:24 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Kartographer
like the old saying goes, you can take anything you want in this world... but are you strong enough to keep it?
12 posted on 09/21/2012 3:20:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kartographer

A bit of practical philosophy on the subject:

“Put your effort into protecting what you value, because defending it is much harder.”

“Don’t invest too much in defending the expendable.”


13 posted on 09/21/2012 3:29:07 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Godzilla
“The double action’s harder trigger pull give you some additional time to be sure of your target and back off.”

I have an older Colt 38 special revolver in my bedside table. It belonged to my husband. I have to cock the hammer to fire it because the trigger pull is so hard for me to pull.

I wanted a gun downstairs and went searching for one I could fire easily. The salesman recommended the Ruger LCR 38 special+P double-action revolver. I was concerned about the strength required to fire it. The one he showed me had a lock on it as required. He went to the safe somewhere and got one with no lock, came back and handed it to me under the counter so no one would see that as he wasn't supposed to do that. With the gun still down there, I pulled that double action trigger with no problem, it was easy.

You said, “harder trigger pull” and that doesn't apply to this Ruger. I can feel it going through the first stage but it smoothly goes on to the firing stage. Maybe this is different than other double actions? I read this gun is chosen by many in law enforcement as a backup weapon because it is light and easy to hide and has no outward hammer to get caught on something.

Thought I would pass this info. to you about this weapon.

14 posted on 09/21/2012 3:31:22 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: KrisKrinkle

good point


15 posted on 09/21/2012 3:36:32 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Kartographer
The sound of a shell getting racked in the dark is enough to bring many to Jesus!

The way mine are loaded... a quiet 'click' as the safety gets moved to 'fire' is all anyone might hear. Small children and liberals are NOT allowed in my home.

/johnny

16 posted on 09/21/2012 3:42:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL

Kukri. Close range , effective, little or no noise.Shorter swing than a ball bat.


17 posted on 09/21/2012 3:43:08 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: Marcella
Ruger LCR 38 special+P

Have you fired this, yet?

I thought it was a pretty neat little gun. The local gun range had one I rented and fired at the range.

In the words of the guy behind the counter, it's got a 'snappy' recoil.

He was right. I only fired it with .38 Special and the recoil was pretty sharp. I wouldn't recommend these for the fairer sex, especially with +P rounds.

18 posted on 09/21/2012 3:57:09 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Kartographer
“If you can’t protect it, you don’t own it;”

I thought maybe this article was about protection rather than defending. For me, I don't want to have to get to the “defending” stage. I want the zombies to stay outside and go to an easier “mark”.

I've done all I can to protect and make it plain it is protected. Since I'm in a townhouse, both sides are stuck to other houses so it has no sides to attack. There is a front door and one window on the front. The door is fixed so it can't be kicked open and has an alarm that sounds if the door makes the slightest movement.

The window can't be raised - there are locks on it that can only be removed with an Allen wrench. A bar alarm can be seen with big red letters facing outward that says,”ALARM”. If that bar moves, the alarm sounds but I got it for the sign since the window can't be pushed up anyway.

There is another alarm that sounds if there is any vibration of the glass in the window. The window is behind extremely thick hedge and the window is fairly high off the ground. There is also a yard stake saying the house is protected with twenty four hour monitoring.

Other houses around me have no hedge to fight through and I'm sure their window and door isn't stacked up with alarms and warnings that can be seen.

Maybe I am naive about my level of protection working for me. If any alarms sound, I would be there with a gun if there was a breach but I'm trying to avoid that.

19 posted on 09/21/2012 4:06:58 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

“Have you fired this, yet?”

Well, there is a story there. I bought this gun while I was having cataract eye surgery on both eyes. Someone asked me if I had gone to the gun range. I told that person that right now one eye doesn’t see like the other eye and I probably couldn’t see the target, much less hit it. Then the Texas heat set in so I’m waiting for cooler weather to do that. The old Colt 38 special has a monster kick and I’ve dealt with that and know how to absorb that kick so I don’t break my arms. Not using +P.


20 posted on 09/21/2012 4:25:33 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Marcella

I admire your savvy and preparedness, and your plain ol’ guts as well.

But ain’t it a sad commentary on what the nation, through leftism, has come to?

I am sure that you like myself remember a time when doors weren’t locked, windows were open and even the keys could be left in the car.

Take care!


21 posted on 09/21/2012 4:26:00 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: glyptol
For when I want someting quieter for home defense I have one of these:

SOG F01T Tactical Tomahawk

22 posted on 09/21/2012 4:35:46 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Fightin Whitey

Oh, my, you must be almost as old as I am, well, you’re probably not as old as I am. Yes, windows were open, didn’t lock the car, didn’t lock front door during the daytime. Walked around freely in town not noticing who was walking in the same area. Went to my unlocked car and got in, never thinking anyone would try to harm me.

Now, everything is locked. When I go to my car, have the key out, notice if anyone is around, punch key to unlock door just before I get there, get in car quickly and hit the “lock” button so doors are locked.

It’s a different world and I’d like not to get killed by some piece of dirt who thinks he can assault a woman.


23 posted on 09/21/2012 4:38:38 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Godzilla

Just got a S&W 59. Over 30 years old. Well broken in. Accurate too. My first weap...er... pistol ever (not pc to call it a weapon, I’m told). Not sure I want HP for home defense ammo. The 9mm should have good takedown capacity by itself. Being an attorney, I’d kinda like the perp to survive, so I can grow my business. :) Thoughts?


24 posted on 09/21/2012 4:44:44 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Marcella

Whatever your age you and your kind are what has made this country into something close to heaven for so many of us for so long.

But we don’t seem to have many like you coming up the ranks.

Thanks for being out there, Miz Marcella. You ever get up north, to Montana or Idaho, you let us know, hey?


25 posted on 09/21/2012 4:45:18 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Kartographer

“SOG F01T Tactical Tomahawk”

I don’t have one of those but I have a Cold Steel Brooklyn Smasher. Looks like a black baseball bat. It’s positioned in a spot about four feet from my front door. It’s made to be a defensive weapon. The weight is such that if one is hit in the head with this bat, the skull is crushed for sure. The only downside would be the massive amount of blood to clean up. I’d try to drag the body out of the house to limit the amount of blood on the floor. :o)


26 posted on 09/21/2012 4:49:34 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Marcella

Remember the scene in Lethal Weapon 2 where the guy they are just getting ready to kill walks into the South African crime boss’ office and notices that the floor is covered with a big plastic sheet? ;-)


27 posted on 09/21/2012 4:57:23 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Fightin Whitey
“You ever get up north, to Montana or Idaho, you let us know, hey?”

Hmm, my son is a documentary film director who has lived in London over 25 years and he's moving himself back to this country. There is a film professor at a university in Montana who is interested in creating a position for him.

He made a documentary one time about horses that took him to Montana and he was taken with the beauty of that state.

Who knows what will happen - keep the coffee hot, okay?

28 posted on 09/21/2012 4:58:08 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Kartographer
“...notices that the floor is covered with a big plastic sheet? ;-)”

Let's see - I could have a precut piece of plastic waiting in that area and if I thought someone was coming in, I could quickly grab my throw down plastic and save the floor from a sheet of blood. Good idea. :o)

29 posted on 09/21/2012 5:02:58 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Marcella

The LCRs are good revolvers. By harder trigger pull I mean something like 10-12 lbs for a double action versus 3 lbs for a semi auto pistol. shoot one and then the other you WILL notice the difference.

My Ruger Sp101 has a nice, even pull, but it is more than a semi. I discovered how much more when I went to the gun range two days in a row. Boy, that second day was a chore for my (now) sore finger.


30 posted on 09/21/2012 5:08:21 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I’d kinda like the perp to survive, so I can grow my business. :) Thoughts?

LOL, I stay away from the 9mm vs other arguments. Just about any caliber has stopping (they don't want to play anymore) capability. I like my .357 because it is highly regarded as THE round that will take the gumption out of a bad guy. Secondly, since my revolver can handle .38 spec, I can spend more range time with cheaper ammo.

31 posted on 09/21/2012 5:13:04 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

Really to each their own! Now as I said I like my shotgun because not only will take the gumption out of a bad guy it tends to empty their bladder and bowls when confronted with it!


32 posted on 09/21/2012 5:17:39 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

“If you can’t pick it up and run with it, you don’t really own it.” Robert Heinlein.


33 posted on 09/21/2012 5:17:50 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Fightin Whitey

And your shotgun was left in the headache rack with the windows rolled down in the school parking lot.


34 posted on 09/21/2012 5:20:08 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

Ha! you are close. We did have our weapons in the vehicle at school if we were planning on hunting later in the day, but my hometown-—oil and cattle country, on the reservation—was a little too wild to leave them unlocked.

Years later as a freshman in college I gave a speech on how to clean my dad’s old Ithaca Featherlight which I toted across campus in the tattered cloth case and broke it down and polished it up right there in the old Communications Hall.

Bad actors were punished back then, punished hard and held in judgment later, and not nearly as many bad acts occurred.


35 posted on 09/21/2012 5:46:01 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: bgill

I must be older than all of ya, ‘cause my older brother used to bring his .22 rifle to school on the school bus for rifle club days and I brought the box of fifty rounds!


36 posted on 09/21/2012 6:09:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Kartographer

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

Racking a shotgun does not cause involuntary evacuation of the bowels.

Now caving in a dirt ball’s chest, that’s another story....

Attached web site is a lot of fun wrt home defense and what rounds will / will not do.


37 posted on 09/21/2012 6:43:43 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Kartographer
i have one i carry under the seat in the car...
38 posted on 09/21/2012 7:35:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: redlegplanner
"Racking a shotgun does not cause involuntary evacuation of the bowels."

The you ain't doing it right. ;-)
39 posted on 09/21/2012 7:41:40 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
I like my shotgun for things that go bump in the night. The sound of a shell getting racked in the dark is enough to bring many to Jesus!

Amen, brother! You speak the truth. And if that sweet sound fails to motivate an instant conversion and a hasty retreat, what's soon to follow will git 'er done.

40 posted on 09/21/2012 7:49:40 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Kartographer

They were on sale, so I got two, one for the truck, one for the house. It’s actually a very handy tool to have, SHTF or not, and not just as a weapon.


41 posted on 09/21/2012 8:00:52 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Kartographer

check out the site and its cousin, “buick o’ truth”


42 posted on 09/21/2012 8:39:20 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Marcella
The old Colt 38 special has a monster kick and I’ve dealt with that and know how to absorb that kick so I don’t break my arms. Not using +P.

Sorry to hear about your surgery, but glad to hear you're doing better.

If the old Colt .38 Special was a snub nose, then you'll probably do okay with this one. Being that it's a few ounces lighter than the regular weight snub nose revolvers, it'll have a little more kick but not that much more than you should be able to handle.

43 posted on 09/22/2012 8:38:44 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: JRandomFreeper
a quiet 'click' as the safety gets moved to 'fire' is all anyone might hear.

Same here. All my firearms have one in the pipe, from an old Winchester 22 to the Mossberg to the Browning semi-auto. The old .38 revolver doesn't need a safety. :o)

44 posted on 09/22/2012 8:48:23 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
“If the old Colt .38 Special was a snub nose, then you'll probably do okay with this one.”

Yes, the Colt is a snub nose.

I'm thinking of buying a 22 revolver just to have one that is not a kicker. I know that placement of a 22 bullet is critical to stopping someone, and I'd use the 38s for that, but I might need to shoot a critter, not a human and I've nothing but these 38s.

Well, that is not true, I have a Remington shotgun and a Remington rifle, both new in 1998 and but both are too heavy for me.

45 posted on 09/22/2012 10:45:30 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Kartographer
It's amazing how quickly an anti-gunner’s tune changes when it's their own home or family being threatened.

My dad is one of those people who believes that if there is a gun in the house, every child within 5 city blocks is going to try and sneak into the house so they can shoot themselves. Seriously, I wish I was exaggerating.

2 days in a row last week, some guy was hanging around the house pestering me. He'd walk into the garage as I was pulling the truck in, he'd ring the doorbell nonstop until I answered, that sort of thing. No idea what he wanted because he only spoke Spanish, and I'm mute so I speak in ASL.

I mentioned this to my dad, and suddenly I started hearing things coming out of his mouth that I never thought he'd say in a million years! Phrases like “Are you wearing your gun when you go out?” and “Maybe you should wear your gun openly instead of concealed, at least around the house.”

And the kicker: “Should I get you a bigger gun?”

My jaw is still on the floor from that.

46 posted on 09/22/2012 7:32:27 PM PDT by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: KrisKrinkle

My point is that whatever you think you own, unless you’re able and willing to defend it by whatever mean you might have, sooner or later (most likely sooner) you will no longer own it. It’s not about legality or morality, it’s about REALITY!

If you don’t believe me, try it.

A good example of this is our own country. We as a nation our unwilling to protect our borders. I think you know the results.


47 posted on 09/22/2012 7:48:43 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Kartographer

Woo hoo! I have him and his l’il brother!

Handy choppers.


48 posted on 09/22/2012 9:54:38 PM PDT by hotshu (Redistribution of wealth by the government is nothing but theft under the color of law.)
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To: Godzilla
For things that go bump in the night I favor a double action revolver - mine is a .357 mag. The double action’s harder trigger pull give you some additonal time to be sure of your target and back off.

I totally disagree with that kind of rationalization. If you go by the four rules, you will have already made the decision to fire before your finger ever touches the trigger. Don't count on a harder trigger pull to save you from shooting at something you shouldn't be.

As for wheel guns, I have no use for them. I'll take my Glock 23 with 13 rounds any day. And if I'm out in the woods, I can push 40 bullets out the barrel of my SA XD45 in less than 30 seconds. Try that with a wheel gun.

49 posted on 09/22/2012 10:51:54 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Terry L Smith
I refuse to own any and all models of any rifle that chambers that cartridge, because it is un-American, SHTF folks or not.

The AK-47 is probably the most reliable weapon of its class. Just because the commies invented it one shouldn't eliminate it from one's arsenal. Besides, when the SHTF, I'd want something chambering 5.56 and 7.62 x 39. You never know what kind of ammo you'll pick along the way.

50 posted on 09/22/2012 10:56:50 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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