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Vanity: Will the Antichrist practice "taquia"

Posted on 09/21/2012 9:06:34 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55

So I've grown up in church. And everything I've read and heard preached went something like this.

Israel will be in a war.. or be about to get into a war when the Antichrist comes along and makes a "peace" deal for 7 years.

3 and a half years into the deal the Antichrist breaks the deal and starts a war with Israel.

Does this deception sound like "Taquia" to any of you.

"Taquia" teaches Muslims that it's ok to lie to an enemy during battle. Deception, etc.

I've like to hear Freepers thoughts on this.

Will the Antichrist be a muslim? I thought that person was supposed to be very believable.. and fool a lot of the world. At this point I would hope a lot of people wouldn't be fooled by a Muslim.

But again.. Obama did manage to become President. Doh!


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KEYWORDS: antichrist; bible; muslim; prophecy; tackytacky; taqiyyataqiyya; taquia
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1 posted on 09/21/2012 9:06:38 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

BTTT

Would like to hear Freepers thoughts on this.


2 posted on 09/21/2012 9:07:56 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

3 posted on 09/21/2012 9:09:33 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

The False Prophet will practice some form of “christianity”, most likely. Small “c” on purpose.

This is one of ecumenical efforts to accept and confirm that Salvation comes via all faiths - this is written in official church doctrine in various forms and preached in places people don’t want to admit.

The Antichrist will appear to be some form of a false jesus (small “j” on purpose). This will work well on the muslims who reject the Deity of Jesus Christ (I’ve spoken with three muslims in the past two weeks). Two are listening, one more so than the other. The third is highly skeptical at this point. I don’t see me making much headway with him.


4 posted on 09/21/2012 9:15:41 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

But since it’s a false form of Christianity does that mean he could be a secret Muslim?

Cough.. Obama..


5 posted on 09/21/2012 9:16:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: F15Eagle

Like Obama in Rev Wrights church?


6 posted on 09/21/2012 9:17:20 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Followings God’s instructions Gideon fooled the Midian army into thinking they were a much larger in numbers than they were.

Was this wrong?

(19-22) God strikes the army of Midian with a surprise attack.

So Gideon and the hundred men who were with him came to the outpost of the camp at the beginning of the middle watch, just as they had posted the watch; and they blew the trumpets and broke the pitchers that were in their hands. Then the three companies blew the trumpets and broke the pitchers; they held the torches in their left hands and the trumpets in their right hands for blowing; and they cried, “The sword of the Lord and of Gideon!” And every man stood in his place all around the camp; and the whole army ran and cried out and fled. When the three hundred blew the trumpets, the Lord set every man’s sword against his companion throughout the whole camp; and the army fled to Beth Acacia, toward Zererah, as far as the border of Abel Meholah, by Tabbath.


7 posted on 09/21/2012 9:19:01 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: ThomasThomas

No it was part of warfare.

But do you think the antichrist will practice “taquia” ?


8 posted on 09/21/2012 9:20:23 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: F15Eagle

The False Prophet or the Antichrist? Are they two different people?


9 posted on 09/21/2012 9:21:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Yes, I believe the antichrist will be a muslim.

The election of obama (with everything we knew about him even back then) shows how easily the antichrist will fool many and will quickly rise to power.


10 posted on 09/21/2012 9:21:30 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: Heart of Georgia

I agree. It really showed how most people are actually just “sheeple”

But the Antichrist won’t come right out and say he’s a muslim right away sounds like?


11 posted on 09/21/2012 9:22:34 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

There will be many anti-Christs, but the one you mean will be Satan in drag


12 posted on 09/21/2012 9:23:49 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ConservativeMan55

The Antichrist must be some sort of political figure that heads up a world gov’t or a very large grouping of nations, including remnants of other nations.

Makes me think we could see significant destruction / crippling of some countries. That ... spooks me to no end.

The Antichrist must convince Jews, Biblically-illiterate churchgoers (who never accepted Christ as Savior nor the Son of God), muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, etc. that he is their world savior.

I don’t see him being muslim per se ... however, he could be VERY friendly to their agenda because, via their texts, he will want to use many of them in the final assault on Israel and rejecting the real Jesus by continuing in the spirit of antichrist, which has always denied the Deity of Christ.

The Antichrist must be involved with world gov’t and Rome in some version, so we must see what happens.

But as I’ve noted before, there is some seriously spooky stuff about Obama. Though Omen III tried to make the Antichrist heading for the U.S. Presidency, I don’t see how it can be a U.S. President.

We are definitely getting quite close to the Latter Days / Latter Years — Iran developing a nuclear weapon is highly significant of that.

From some of my other posts but for lurkers:


I don’t think the AC is a sitting US Prez because of the Scripture - but fwiw, lot of odd stuff surrounding this guy. Weird - just follow the links. I can’t link directly to the lottery results so you have to select 2008. Just odd stuff.


Abbas was the first foreign leader he called from the WH after taking office - for a Pali state, dividing Israel.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2169189/posts

http://tinyurl.com/86689ls - Obama’s Curious Support for Palestinian Statehood


Illinois lottery hit 666 the exact same day CNN called the junior senator from Illinois “president of the world”. Bizarre coincidences.

11/05/2008: CNN: Barack Obama is ‘President of the world’

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/international.press.reaction/

11/05/2008: Evening Pick 3 6-6-6

http://www.illinoislottery.com/en-us/winning-number-search-year.html


Obama’s armored Cadillac is called “The Beast”

The same name the Bible gives the Antichrist

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45376000/jpg/_45376603_cadillac_466.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389825/Obamas-Beast-Cadillac-flown-US-London-drive-Mall.html

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013:4&version=KJV


Antichrist will confirm a seven-year false peace with Israel which divides the land of Israel

http://youtu.be/e6HF_8axllQ?t=38s

(The video is titled “End Times in the Words of Jesus” and you can find it at Amazon in VHS and DVD format).

http://www.amazon.com/The-End-Times-Words-Jesus/dp/B0000CBXYN


13 posted on 09/21/2012 9:25:32 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: GeronL

Exactly. I think that person will be a secret Muslim.


14 posted on 09/21/2012 9:26:22 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: F15Eagle

Wow very interesting.

Well as evil as I think Obama is. I don’t think he’s savy enough to fool everyone in the world.


15 posted on 09/21/2012 9:28:21 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Yes, they are two different people.

Several prophecy teachers confuse this. There is a world gov’t represented by a “beast”, which is dreadful and kills, outdoing Hitler by at least a factor of 70 (3.5 billion dead vs. 50 million dead, both in about 7 years).

The False Prophet directs the people of the Earth to worship the Antichrist Beast (the first beast). The False Prophet is the second beast of Revelation 13.

The False Prophet makes the people of the Earth build an image to the first beast Antichrist and receive his mark - 666.

In the passage below, you see the second beast, the False Prophet, arise as “another beast coming up out of the Earth”.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013:11-18&version=KJV

Revelation 13:11-18

King James Version (KJV)

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


16 posted on 09/21/2012 9:32:35 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: ConservativeMan55

I was always taught he would convince Israel/Jews that he is a Jew and that they will accept him as their messiah.


17 posted on 09/21/2012 9:32:42 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: ConservativeMan55

The antichrist will be a lair regardless what you want to call it.


18 posted on 09/21/2012 9:32:59 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: ConservativeMan55

Jeremiah Wright, false preacher that he was, will be far outdone by the real False Prophet.

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet, I’m sorry to say.


19 posted on 09/21/2012 9:34:23 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Heart of Georgia

Ohhh wow now that one I had not heard!

Whoa scary!


20 posted on 09/21/2012 9:35:44 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: F15Eagle

Oh I know.. i was just referring to Obama practicing a small “c” christianity.


21 posted on 09/21/2012 9:36:28 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

I wonder if we will ever see someone like that become prominent... *sarcasm*


22 posted on 09/21/2012 9:38:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: F15Eagle

Interesting.

How will the Antichrist fool the world though?

Sounds like he promises a lot and in the end the people end up subservient to him. Sounds like the US Government lol.


23 posted on 09/21/2012 9:39:27 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

“Wow very interesting.

Well as evil as I think Obama is. I don’t think he’s savy enough to fool everyone in the world.”

No, he’s not too bright. But remember, it is Satan that gives the Antichrist his power and his authority (Satan is the temporary “god” of this world, since the Garden of Eden - 2nd Cor 4:3-4).

This is the first beast out of the sea (the little horn of Daniel’s prophecy). Satan gives him the power.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013:4&version=KJV

Revelation 13:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


24 posted on 09/21/2012 9:39:30 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

True. So people’s earthly desires will do them in. If the Antichrist promises this and that.. they will go along with it because it sounds good to their flesh at the time.


25 posted on 09/21/2012 9:40:56 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

bttt


26 posted on 09/21/2012 9:46:27 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

The choice will be access to your money for food and paying your bills -— or having your head cut off.

To get food and cash, you must worship the Antichrist -— this damns you soul forever, without no possible method for repentance.

If your head is cut off, you live in Heaven forever, but you pay with your life.

Such will be life and death during the Great Tribulation and maybe even the whole Tribulation period.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020:4&version=KJV

Revelation 20:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


27 posted on 09/21/2012 9:51:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

How far away are we from this? It seems like we’re in the end times.

Will a nuke be set off.. or nukes be set off before the Antichrist makes his first move for “peace”


28 posted on 09/21/2012 9:52:53 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55; hope_dies_last

ping!


29 posted on 09/21/2012 9:56:43 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55; Irenic; garjog

Over here ping.


30 posted on 09/21/2012 9:58:25 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

There is no way to be exactly certain how close but I’d say we’re very close.

These things are true for the End Times:

Israel must be in the land. They are.

Israel must have some control of Jerusalem, trodden underfoot by Gentiles. They are and it is.

Iran and Libya must be preparing to destroy Israel. They are and are heading that way (Libya).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zuYCM0g2kc&feature=player_embedded

Technology must make control of financial transactions possible. It is real and being deployed, though not quite there yet and not being used by the AC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTs48E0NFXI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDyqhcy1L-0

People must talk of dividing Israel for Peace and Safety. They do. All the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9xivoAv8-U

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%205:1-4&version=ESV;KJV

The Gospel must go to all nations (not all people, an angel will finish the job in Revelation 14). The Gospel is all over the world.


31 posted on 09/21/2012 10:02:09 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Heart of Georgia

The election of obama (with everything we knew about him even back then) shows how easily the antichrist will fool many and will quickly rise to power.”

Yeah, I think that the Anti-Christ will be like Obama in terms of crowd appeal, except he will be highly competent and appear to do miracles.

Obama is a total loser and an idiot so he is not a candidate.


32 posted on 09/21/2012 10:02:48 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: F15Eagle

Wow. I’d say that we’re 99.9 percent there then????


33 posted on 09/21/2012 10:03:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: garjog

Maybe he’s one of the false prophets.

What about Clinton?


34 posted on 09/21/2012 10:04:13 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Will the Antichrist practice “taquia”
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I couldn’t see how he wouldn’t.


35 posted on 09/21/2012 10:04:20 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: garjog

Will he be a muslim?


36 posted on 09/21/2012 10:04:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Irenic

can’t see....
sorry.


37 posted on 09/21/2012 10:05:04 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

Like being a secret Muslim?? Who makes everyone think he’s a “Christian”

The Muslims wouldn’t go for someone who says they are a Christian.


38 posted on 09/21/2012 10:05:50 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: F15Eagle

“souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus”

Kind of a coincidence the radical Islam regularly practices be-headings. Hmmm.


39 posted on 09/21/2012 10:07:59 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: garjog

One step further..

Kind of a coincidence radical Islam regularly practices beheadings of people who are witnesses for Jesus.

Things that make you go hmmm


40 posted on 09/21/2012 10:10:20 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

The big signs are there — hope you had time to watch the videos (all of them).

Hard to say exactly but there is a whole lotta stuff going on.

Including an idiotic world that wants to worship a politician. That is downright scary.


41 posted on 09/21/2012 10:10:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

A mostly uneducated world, China on the rise, Israel on the brink of war, Muslims taking over the Middle East...


42 posted on 09/21/2012 10:11:52 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Something like that.

I think he will try to be inclusive to all religions, like he’s drawing all together or something. With no real loyalty expressed towards any paticular religion.

But I think he will be Muslim, I can’t see how things play out as foretold without him being a Muslim and in that—he would be practicing ‘taquia’, no?


43 posted on 09/21/2012 10:13:12 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: ConservativeMan55

They were certainly fooled by zerobama, and he’s a raghead...


44 posted on 09/21/2012 10:13:49 PM PDT by babygene
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To: garjog; ConservativeMan55

“souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus”

Kind of a coincidence the radical Islam regularly practices be-headings. Hmmm.


Yes, this is just an Eagle 3:16 but I’m convinced many of them will become willing foot-soldiers of the Antichrist.

1) Denial of Christ’s Incarnation - spirit of antichrist

2) False “jesus” of islam - already a false christ

3) Chopping off heads for “god” - say no more

4) 1.5 billion strong

5) Many right next door to Israel


45 posted on 09/21/2012 10:14:19 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Irenic

“Taquia” as in.. telling everyone he’s “not” a muslim in order to deceive and wage warfare.


46 posted on 09/21/2012 10:14:35 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: F15Eagle

How will China fit in?


47 posted on 09/21/2012 10:15:45 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Yes muslims lie like rugs. You cannot do business with them let alone trust them to be a safe, productive member of society. Nuff said.


48 posted on 09/21/2012 10:16:48 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: F15Eagle

6) Hatred of Israel (just to be clear)


49 posted on 09/21/2012 10:17:28 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: samadams2000

But here’s the deal. At this point Christians really don’t trust Muslims and Muslims don’t trust Christians and or Jews.

So how will the Antichrist fool “everyone”

?

He won’t claim to be any of these religions? or he’ll claim to be Christian??


50 posted on 09/21/2012 10:18:31 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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