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Possible road rage ends in fatal shooting
The Houston Chronicle ^ | September 17, 2012 | Mike Glenn

Posted on 09/22/2012 6:21:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Edited on 09/22/2012 6:23:39 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A woman on her way to work fatally shot another motorist she said attacked her after a minor collision in northwest Harris County, officials said.

Crystal Scott, 23, pulled into a Shell station on Perry near west FM 1960 about 7:20 a.m. Monday with the intention of exchanging insurance information with the other driver, officials said.


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MrTeymour 5:29 PM on September 21, 2012

I am appauled at my fellow gun lovers that spew thier garbage before getting all the facts in a case. This lady had many other choices than to shoot this young man. The info I have , that came from a family member of the young man that was shot, reflects that the story written here is a bit mis-leading at best. No where did it mention that she actually missed with the first shot, but she did chase the young man away with that shot. Then she got out of her car and chased him and then shot and killed him. I have a hard time understanding why this would be considered self defense. In my mind, she committed murder or manslaughter at least. It is cases like this one that will destroy the ability of the law abiding citizen to protect ourselves.

1 posted on 09/22/2012 6:21:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Huge thread on this here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2934309/posts


2 posted on 09/22/2012 6:24:47 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Uncle Chip

The article mentions eyewitnesses that seem to support the woman’s story. The man’s family wasn’t around to see anything that refuted the eye-witnesses’ account.


3 posted on 09/22/2012 6:34:01 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (We have grieved the Holy Spirit, with our Dark hearts and dark minds turned against God!)
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To: Uncle Chip; Boogieman; cynwoody; Scoutmaster; Delhi Rebels; dalebert; yldstrk; ...

This is the latest comment to the article:

MrTeymour 5:29 PM on September 21, 2012

I am appauled at my fellow gun lovers that spew thier garbage before getting all the facts in a case. This lady had many other choices than to shoot this young man. The info I have , that came from a family member of the young man that was shot, reflects that the story written here is a bit mis-leading at best. No where did it mention that she actually missed with the first shot, but she did chase the young man away with that shot. Then she got out of her car and chased him and then shot and killed him. I have a hard time understanding why this would be considered self defense. In my mind, she committed murder or manslaughter at least. It is cases like this one that will destroy the ability of the law abiding citizen to protect ourselves.


4 posted on 09/22/2012 6:34:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: mdmathis6

He had two bullets in his chest.


5 posted on 09/22/2012 6:36:11 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

yes


6 posted on 09/22/2012 6:38:19 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Uncle Chip

At 4:30 in the morning a man slewed his car sideways on the freeway entrance ramp causing me to hit my brakes. A massive man got out of this tiny car and stormed towards me screaming I had my truck’s bright lights on. (I did, but was not aware of it.) I had a gun in my hand, but as he got to my window I realized he wasn’t armed so I switched to pepper spray. I cracked the window down and apologized profusely. He seemed uncertain; perhaps because he was used to being a bully and I didn’t react the way he expected. I was excruciatingly polite. He said, “Well, okay then,” got in his car and left.

I always thought outrageous displays of anger were dangerous to both parties. I would have felt very badly shooting this young man. I probably would have tried backing up first, but getting into a chase is doubly stupid. I don’t believe I would have shot him unless he managed to reach me.

I saw this young man several days later in the Publix parking lot. He radiated dumb bully as only 250 pounds of 6’4” muscle can radiate. I will wager the deputies in the district new his name and address off the top of their heads.

In this story, it would be interesting to know the back story on both parties.


7 posted on 09/22/2012 6:43:03 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: mdmathis6
The article mentions eyewitnesses that seem to support the woman’s story.

They conveniently omit what the dead guy's passenger had to say, though.

The Progressive press is so eager for blacks to kill whites under color of law that they don't really need any facts.

8 posted on 09/22/2012 6:44:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Obviously a suicide.


9 posted on 09/22/2012 6:45:57 AM PDT by Autonomous User (Jimmah Carter 2.0 with a tan has a Muzzie problem too.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Long thread at this link:
http://www.speroforum.com/a/ABTQXCNTFM32/73128-Black-woman-stands-her-ground-kills-white-man


10 posted on 09/22/2012 6:48:53 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Uncle Chip
So I was right when I said you have her convicted despite what the law says. So where are you any different from those who condemned Zimmerman out of hand? You say she had choices, Zimmerman had choices. She could have retreated, Zimmerman could have retreated. In the end Zimmerman believed he needed to do what he did to protect himself, so did this woman. Nobody had to die in either case. But neither person acted outside of the law as it exists. Yet you applaud one and want to hang the other.

And I'm curious as to your source for information. None of the news reports I've been able to find say anything about her chasing him down and killing him. You say it comes from family members, yet none of them were there, where they?

11 posted on 09/22/2012 6:49:27 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Delhi Rebels

It’s the difference between being pinned down with yiur head being bashed inot the concrete on the one hand, and being in a locked car with ample means of safe escape on the other. Zimmerman appears to have been within the law, and this woman appears not to have been, on the basis of what is known and the law.

By the way, it seems to have been confirmed that the dead man had two bullets in his chest. That does not appear to be very supportive of the woman’s claim.


12 posted on 09/22/2012 7:12:03 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Delhi Rebels
So I was right when I said you have her convicted despite what the law says.

You haven't been right since you have been here -- 2012-08-04.

So where are you any different from those who condemned Zimmerman out of hand?

Big difference from her situation and Zimmerman's that night.

You say she had choices, Zimmerman had choices.

Name hers and name Zimmerman's

She could have retreated, Zimmerman could have retreated.

Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. She wasn't.

In the end Zimmerman believed he needed to do what he did to protect himself, so did this woman. Nobody had to die in either case.

Who are you kidding.??? He was bleeding with a broken nose and having his head banged on the concrete and being prevented from getting up, and Martin was reaching for his weapon, or are you living in some kind of fantasy world???

But neither person acted outside of the law as it exists.

Baloney. If she got out of the safety of her car and shot him she was not acting in self defense but going on the offense.

Yet you applaud one and want to hang the other.

You are the one applauding her actions and justifying the unjustifiable.

And I'm curious as to your source for information.

I posted it -- something you haven't done.

None of the news reports I've been able to find say anything about her chasing him down and killing him.

How can there be two bullets in his chest and only one bullet hole in the window unless she got out of the car to shoot him???

You say it comes from family members, yet none of them were there, where they?

The single bullet hole in the side window and the two bullets in the chest were there and they speak loudly.

13 posted on 09/22/2012 7:15:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
I came away with the opinions that she sucks at driving and following the rules of the road, likely caused the accident that lead to them stopping at the Shell station, then blew the guy away when he went to exchange insurance info with her.

She was in a public place in broad daylight, safely inside her locked car and had a weapon.

The guy had only had his driver's license and insurance card.

She sounds a lot like a murderer to me, but I'm not on the jury.

14 posted on 09/22/2012 7:24:21 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Gen.Blather
I was excruciatingly polite.

Excellent move! Too many folks in situations like that let their pride get in the way. The goal in such situations is NOT to "teach the bum a lesson", or anything like that.

The goal is to avoid physical injury. You achieved that goal, so you won!

Now, if Option 1 (politeness) doesn't work, you need to be ready with Option 2 (stern demeanor). Sometimes just a quick switch from polite to stern will cool an aggressor down.

Then there's Option 3 (a weapon of some kind). And you were ready there too.

15 posted on 09/22/2012 7:26:29 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: expat1000

Here is one comment on the Houston Chronicle article that I hope is not true:

Estban 4:59 PM on September 20, 2012

I stopped at the station today and was discouraged of the fact that there are not any cameras monitoring the general area where the shooting took place. There is one pointing to where the young man parked his truck, but none pointing at the back of the lot where her car was parked.


16 posted on 09/22/2012 7:56:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Thank you for pinging me.

I assume you did so because I repeatedly stated yesterday that, just as FReepers advised with the beginning of the Zimmerman case, we should take caution to wait until the facts come in before drawing conclusions.

If the contents of this anonymous internet comment are true, you've added some excellent information that's damning.

Have you been able to substantiate any of this? I've tried, but haven't found anything in any article, any police statement, any eyewitness statement (well, the driblets in the press), or anywhere else.

As long as anonymous internet comments are being put on the table, should we throw into the mix the one contained in the story you posted yesterday, where a guy says he's known the victim since high school and says the victim 'wasn't a nice guy' and "got into altercations"?

Let's keep following this to see what additional facts come forward (and I guess, if you want, additional anonymous internet comments). I want to know what the cameras show, what the eyewitnesses actually said, and the circumstances of that second shot. Like you, I only see one bullet hole in the windows - and the victim had two bullet holes in his chest. I don't see how the best $10 lawyer in Ponca City can explain that to me.

17 posted on 09/22/2012 8:22:13 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip
I just found this graphic of the video cameras in the area and the directions they cover. If correct, it doesn't appear that any had a direct view of the incident, but there's an outside change one on Perry Road may have captured it.

I'm surprised the Shell doesn't have one.

18 posted on 09/22/2012 8:30:22 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip
No where did it mention that she actually missed with the first shot, but she did chase the young man away with that shot. Then she got out of her car and chased him and then shot and killed him.

If this is true, and she shot him down as he was running away, then it's at least Second Degree Murder.

19 posted on 09/22/2012 8:42:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Scoutmaster
This statement from the commenter appears to be verified by the pictures of the side window:

"No where did it mention that she actually missed with the first shot, but she did chase the young man away with that shot."

The shot through the window appears to have angled into the metal surrounding the window. It's hard to imagine how that could have hit him from the angle of it??

So there were probably three shots. The first one inside the car was probably muzzled and no one heard it. The two outside spaced so close together that they sounded like one to the witnesses.

20 posted on 09/22/2012 8:49:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
I don't know about anyone else but to me the testimony of a friend or relative of an accused *or* a victim in a case like this means nothing...even if the relative or friend in question is an eyewitness.I want testimony from people who have nothing to gain from lying,imagining or wishful thinking.I want videos...I want DNA...I want ballistics testing...I want cellphone records,etc,etc,etc.

Case in point...a few years ago there was a big murder case in Boston,a bigshot Harvard doctor accused of murdering his wife.During the trial a Boston TV station caught their three kids,two of whom were physicians themselves,leaving the court for the day.The reporter asked how they thought the trial was going."Very well,indeed" they answered in unison."The defense has made many,many excellent points".The reporter then said "but the prosecution has presented many powerful bits of evidence...your mother's DNA having been found where it shouldn't have been found,you father's DNA having been found where *it* shouldn't have been found..." (he badly cut his hand while stabbing her).Their response to that? In unison..."well,those were obviously lab errors".

I don't care what the family of friends of *either* person involved says here...or in any other similar case.

21 posted on 09/22/2012 8:51:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

<>I want testimony from people who have nothing to gain from lying,imagining or wishful thinking.I want videos...I want DNA...I want ballistics testing...I want cellphone records,etc,etc,etc.<>

You bet but thus far we have this statement from the commenter which does seem to be borne out by the evidence thus far that the writers of these articles seem to miss:

First, the window of the car shows one bullet hole angled in such a way that it could not have hit him at all, much less in the chest. Picture here:

http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/black-woman-stands-her-ground-kills-white-man/

Second, he had two bullet holes in his chest per the Houston Chronicle article.

Those are two forensic witnesses that aren’t lying and aren’t family and aren’t mistaking and aren’t going to
be changing their stories.

Per these two forensic witnesses, she must have fired once from within the car and twice outside. That is not self-defense.


22 posted on 09/22/2012 9:24:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Delhi Rebels

“Zimmerman could have retreated.”

Zimmerman had a man sitting on his chest, banging his head repeatedly into the concrete.

Not the same at all.

I don’t know whether this woman is innocent or guilty, but her situation was not Zimmerman’s.


23 posted on 09/22/2012 9:56:45 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: RegulatorCountry
It’s the difference between being pinned down with yiur head being bashed inot the concrete on the one hand, and being in a locked car with ample means of safe escape on the other.

Under the 'stand your ground' provisions of the Texas law she was under no obligation to try and flee. It was her car, she believed he was trying to unlawfully enter it, she had the right to protect herself with whatever means she felt was necessary.

Zimmerman appears to have been within the law, and this woman appears not to have been, on the basis of what is known and the law.

Wrong. Read the Texas law. It clearly states that the use of deadly force "...is presumed to be reasonable if the actor knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used: (1) unlawfully entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully, the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment..." If he walked up to her car and tried to open the door without her consent, as she claims, then she was justified to use whatever means she thought necessary to stop him. Like it, don't like it, it doesn't matter. The law is the law, and the law appears to be in her favor in this case.

By the way, it seems to have been confirmed that the dead man had two bullets in his chest. That does not appear to be very supportive of the woman’s claim.

In what way? She said she shot him.

24 posted on 09/22/2012 10:07:15 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Baloney.

Yeah it appears that you are clinging to nothing but baloney. So be it. Arguing the law with you doesn't get anywhere. Arguing the facts doesn't get anywhere. Your mind is completely closed and nothing is going to change your position. I suppose there is nothing left to do but let you rant and rage while, as I truly hope and expect, Ms.Scott is not charged with a crime, since no crime was committed.

25 posted on 09/22/2012 10:12:34 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Delhi Rebels
Ms.Scott is not charged with a crime, since no crime was committed.

Houston police have said that, due to all of the grey areas surrounding the shooting, they are leaving it up to a grand jury to determine whether Ms. Scott will be charged.

26 posted on 09/22/2012 10:24:39 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Delhi Rebels
It clearly states that the use of deadly force "...is presumed to be reasonable if the actor knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used: (1) unlawfully entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully, the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment..."

Was he still attempting to enter the vehicle after the first shot when she subsequently exited the vehicle, went after him, and then shot him twice in the chest???

27 posted on 09/22/2012 10:48:50 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

For one to be justifiably in fear for their life, some type of action must be taken against them. He had no weapon.....so Was she even touched by the guy? I cannot see where she was.

Sounds like murder to me.


28 posted on 09/22/2012 10:54:19 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Delhi Rebels

GZ had a guy sitting on his chest pounding his head into the pavement and then reaching for his gun openly saying that GZ would die that night.

If you believe that case is similar to this case you need your head examined. Seriously.


29 posted on 09/22/2012 10:57:31 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Uncle Chip; Delhi Rebels
Was he still attempting to enter the vehicle after the first shot when she subsequently exited the vehicle, went after him, and then shot him twice in the chest???

Please note, Delhi Rebels, that there are no news reports or reported eyewitness statements of the shooter exiting the vehicle or firing three shots.

That may have happened. The public doesn't know.

Only Uncle Chip 'knows.'

30 posted on 09/22/2012 10:58:34 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Red in Blue PA

According to his co-worker he was armed with just his drivers license and insurance card.


31 posted on 09/22/2012 11:00:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Scoutmaster
Only Uncle Chip 'knows.'

And the forensic evidence available thus far and whoever wants to pay attention to it.

32 posted on 09/22/2012 11:03:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Red in Blue PA
If you believe that case is similar to this case you need your head examined. Seriously.

Why? The similarities are obvious to anyone. Zimmerman had called 911 to report Martin, Scott had called 911 to report Ables. Zimmerman says he was attacked by Martin. Scott says she beleived she was about to be attacked by Ables. Zimmerman feared for his safety. Scott feared for her safety. Both were legally carrying firearms. Both used their firearms within the guidelines of the laws of their state. Neither one should be prosecuted for doing what law says they were legally entitled to do.

33 posted on 09/22/2012 11:13:49 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m sorry your friend was killed. But your argument is with the laws of Texas and not with Ms. Scott. She did what she was legally allowed to do. Don’t like it? Change the law.


34 posted on 09/22/2012 11:19:23 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Delhi Rebels
Scott had called 911 to report Ables

One report says she called 911 to report Ables' aggressive behavior before the shooting. Another report says she placed the 911 call after the shooting.

As I've said - shouldn't we all wait until the facts shake out?

35 posted on 09/22/2012 11:24:00 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip
According to his co-worker he was armed with just his drivers license and insurance card.

*Laughing*

What's your source for the co-worker saying he had his drivers' license? His drivers' license was suspended, remember?

I think you're misstating the co-worker's statement that he was going to exchange insurance information.

36 posted on 09/22/2012 11:29:36 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

<>What’s your source for the co-worker saying he had his drivers’license? His drivers’ license was suspended, remember?<>

You are leaping to conclusions. What you posted regarding him is unclear. It does not say that his license was suspended at the time of the incident. Read it again and show me where it does. It looks like he paid a fine [bond] and was perhaps on probation — but it is unclear regarding what is meant by “dismissed” and “disposed”.

<>I think you’re misstating the co-worker’s statement that he was going to exchange insurance information.<>

“Witness 1; Co-Worker: States Jonathan just going to exchange insurance information”

http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/black-woman-stands-her-ground-kills-white-man/

Just shaking out the facts —


37 posted on 09/22/2012 11:56:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Delhi Rebels
She did what she was legally allowed to do.

We'll see what the Grand Jury says.

38 posted on 09/22/2012 12:04:06 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Scoutmaster
One report says she called 911 to report Ables' aggressive behavior before the shooting. Another report says she placed the 911 call after the shooting.

Oh that's precious if she made that 911 call to report his aggressive behaviour after she shot him.

39 posted on 09/22/2012 12:13:47 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
*sigh*

You just confirmed what I said; the co-worker only said 'insurance information,' and didn't mention a drivers' license.

Here's the relevant section of Ables' record, again:

"Disposal" means that a legal case is finished, either by 'adjudication' (a legal ruling) or 'dismissal' (completion of the case short of adjudication, such as dismissal by a judge for lack of evidence or . . . the defendant dies). So a disposal includes dismissals. The latest date of action on this license suspension - which is described as both a disposal and a dismissal - is 9/19/12, or two days after the death of Ables.

The type of disposal was a dismissal, on 9/19/12.

What could have caused Ables' suspended license action to be dismissed two days after his death? Perhaps . . . his death? Where do you see a fine? Or bond? Or probation?

40 posted on 09/22/2012 12:22:46 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip
Oh that's precious if she made that 911 call to report his aggressive behaviour after she shot him.

Yes, it would be. However, the report that said she placed the 911 call after the shooting says she placed the 911 call to report the shooting, not to report Ables' aggressive behavior.

41 posted on 09/22/2012 12:24:28 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip
And I need to back up. Ables' record shows he has two convictions for pot possession, and one for driving while on a suspended license. I first said it appeared he was driving on a suspended license (for driving on a suspended license) when this accident occurred. I still think that's what the record shows . . . but I'd like to hear that reported from law enforcement.

The shooter's criminal record shows that she has a history of aggressive driving issues.

42 posted on 09/22/2012 12:29:25 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Delhi Rebels
The similarities are obvious to anyone....Zimmerman says he was attacked by Martin. Scott says she beleived she was about to be attacked by Ables.

There's one obvious dissimilarity right there -- with many more to follow as the case unfolds.

Scott feared for her safety.

Was that before or after she exited the vehicle with gun in hand and put two bullets in his chest.

43 posted on 09/22/2012 12:32:52 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Scoutmaster
You just confirmed what I said; the co-worker only said 'insurance information,' and didn't mention a drivers' license.

No insurance company is going to issue an insurance card to someone without a valid current drivers license. It's the first thing they check. If he had an insurance card he had a valid drivers license.

Either way you're nitpicking. So let's just say that he was just taking his insurance card over there with him. He's still going over there to exchange insurance card information as the witness said. Get real.

Here's the relevant section of Ables' record, again:

The license could have been suspended at some point because of marijuana possession. Or he may have been driving on an expired license back on 4/22 and paid a fine. There is nothing there that says that he was driving on a suspended license on 9/17.

If he had valid insurance then he had to have had a valid drivers license. You don't get the one without the other.

44 posted on 09/22/2012 12:59:33 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I got you — just read your following post — #42.


45 posted on 09/22/2012 1:03:02 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
No insurance company is going to issue an insurance card to someone without a valid current drivers license. It's the first thing they check. If he had an insurance card he had a valid drivers license.

You're right. An insurance company isn't going to issue a card to someone without a current drivers' license.

However, the last time I checked, the insurance company doesn't come to your home to repossess your insurance cards when your license is suspended. So you could have insurance cards and no license. Nor do they come take your insurance card if you've failed to make the payments on your policy.

You've also been quite lucky if you've never been presented with an invalid insurance card after a fender-bender or accident. Of course, a twice-convicted pot smoker who was caught driving with a suspended license would never think of working in the grey area.

The police kicked this to a grand jury because there were so many questions. Let's wait until the facts come in before we wet the sponges and strap her in the chair.

46 posted on 09/22/2012 1:23:58 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Uncle Chip
No where did it mention that she actually missed with the first shot, but she did chase the young man away with that shot. Then she got out of her car and chased him and then shot and killed him.

Obviously false.

If it went down as described, it's an open and shut case of murder — first or second depending on the jury's estimate of her degree of premeditation. Obviously, the witnesses would have told the police, the body would have been in the wrong place, etc. She would have been hauled away under arrest.

Two shots in him is not significant. Chasing him down as he retreated most definitely is.

47 posted on 09/22/2012 1:30:57 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Scoutmaster

They may both have had invalid insurance cards which would explain the heightened tensions. The Grand Jury is a good place for it.


48 posted on 09/22/2012 1:31:18 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Delhi Rebels
She could have retreated, Zimmerman could have retreated.

She probably could have, but Zimmerman could not. Martin attacked him and had him pinned to the ground, and they were fighting over Zimmerman's gun, which Martin had just discovered. Fortunately, it was pointed at Martin when it went off.

49 posted on 09/22/2012 1:34:22 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Uncle Chip
The Grand Jury is a good place for it.

Amen.

I want to hear the testimony of the two or three eyewitnesses under oath (the newspaper accounts are unclear as to the number - and I'm not counting the guy who was pumping gas and only says he didn't 'hear' anything except a shot).

I want to hear her testimony - whether it's consistent with forensics, her statements to the police. I want the DA to grill her. After all, she killed a man.

I want to hear that 911 call, if it really exists.

50 posted on 09/22/2012 1:39:41 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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