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Armed Alabama Agents Confiscate Home Brewing Supplies
Beer Street Journal ^ | September 21, 2012 | reidramsay

Posted on 09/22/2012 9:41:12 AM PDT by Altariel

Do you need any proof that Alabama legislature is a backwards thinking? Read on.

My good friend Kraig Torres founded Hop City a few years ago in Atlanta, Georgia. The store sells 1,800+ beers, wine, and homebrewing supplies. Not to mention a 60+ growler station. Hop City is ranked among the best beer stores on planet earth on RateBeer.com Building upon his great success, Kraig decided to open a second location in Birmingham, Alabama. Recent law changes make Birmingham a great place for a second Hop City.

Kraig has received all the necessary permits to open except for one – the liquor license from the Alabama Beverage Commission. Kraig applied for this license, and with it, provided a floor plan. In the floor plan, he included an area for home brewing supplies. Home brewing is illegal in Alabama, but selling the ingredients is not. Kraig and his lawyer have done extensive diligence on the matter.

Yesterday (Thursday), ARMED ABC agents raided Hop City Birmingham, and confiscated books on home brewing, grain, wort chillers, and more. The agents threatened to arrest his store manager because he harbored materials used to make beer. The ABC Agents loaded up a van with $7,000 of Kraig’s inventory, stating they would be back the next day for the rest. Every single grain, hop, and carboy has to be out of the Hop City Birmingham location before a license will be granted.

Kraig tells me that his opening will now be delayed, until his license can be granted. ”I’m being held hostage by the ABC board.”

Sound off. What are your thoughts on armed men confiscating books on brewing? Bagging hops and grain like it’s cocaine?

UPDATE 9/22/12. 9 AM: The agents were armed. Whether the guns were drawn, or pointed at employees is up for contention.

Ed. Note: Pic above is one BSJ took at the Atlanta Hop City location.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: alabama; beer; donutwatch; homebrewing

1 posted on 09/22/2012 9:41:16 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

This is why the rest of America sees the South as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoys, and hayseeds.


2 posted on 09/22/2012 9:47:13 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Altariel

The key thing here...is that home brewing is simply illegal in Alabama (I grew up there and know the general rule). Anyone who admits they do it...simply takes a risk of some law enforcement guy with free time on his hands....walking up to the frontdoor and making a nuisance out of themselves.

The state has been this way for decades and decades...and is not about to shift around. It’s best to just not admit you brew or even drink...in public. I know it’s sad to admit this....but its the plain simple truth.


3 posted on 09/22/2012 9:47:30 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Altariel
Never mind the group of guys at the next farm over speaking arabic, practicing combat maneuvers, and collecting large quantities of fertilizer - get that guy who's brewing home-made beer!
4 posted on 09/22/2012 9:47:54 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: Altariel
The state confiscating books is a big no-no. They may get whacked on that part.

/johnny

5 posted on 09/22/2012 9:49:53 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Altariel

This is so repulsively stupid that it could have happened here in Ohio...


6 posted on 09/22/2012 9:55:44 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: WXRGina; Red_Devil 232

ping

I would say Roll Tide but...........


7 posted on 09/22/2012 9:58:53 AM PDT by logitech (Who's here so vile, that will not love his country? If any speak, for him I have offended)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I’m glad that’s the only reason


8 posted on 09/22/2012 10:05:30 AM PDT by silentreignofheroes
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To: pepsionice

The victim here was not *brewing* but selling the brewing supplies—selling the supplies is legal in Alabama.


9 posted on 09/22/2012 10:10:59 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
With many local and state governments over-spending just like the federal government they are looking for money any and every way that they can. The easiest way for them is to make so many laws that it is impossible to or die without breaking a whole slew of laws. Reminds me of the party in “Atlas Shrugged”.
10 posted on 09/22/2012 10:14:16 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“This is why the rest of America sees the South as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoys, and hayseeds.”

Megabump. Since the state government wants to waste taxpayer time and money regulating this issue, the rest of us will take OUR time and money elsewhere.


11 posted on 09/22/2012 10:18:29 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Altariel

What we think of it is obvious...and irrelevant.

Basic fact: police do not enforce the law, because they are not lawyers. They enforce what they THINK is the law, and sensible (if misguided) interpretations thereof. Insofar as they may not know the actual law (written and case), if they think there is sufficient grounds for sufficiently offensive offenses, they bag the evidence and the perpetrator and let a judge adjudicate the details.

Home brewing is illegal in AL. If you’re selling all the stuff needed to engage in a long and well established as illegal activity, and all that stuff has no other practical purpose given the obvious context, police are within their job description to seize & arrest accordingly. “Constructive possession” is a standard principle in law.

I don’t agree with this, I’m just explaining how this bit of the world works.


12 posted on 09/22/2012 10:18:40 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“This is why the rest of America sees the South as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoys, and hayseeds.”

I see, and what do Mayor Bloomberg’s authoritarian antics bring to mind?


13 posted on 09/22/2012 10:21:54 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Altariel

Wait, i have an idea. We brew bootleg brew in the woods, and deliver it to customers in cars. And these cars need to be extra fast to elude the cops. We could even have contests to see who the best bootleg driver is.

Dude,,this is gonna be BIG. I can just feel it.


14 posted on 09/22/2012 10:26:53 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: dljordan

At least they weren’t selling 64oz. Big Gulp sodas.


15 posted on 09/22/2012 10:28:54 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden: "HOPE and CHAINS for all 57 states".)
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To: ctdonath2
Books?

/johnny

16 posted on 09/22/2012 10:32:44 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Altariel

17 posted on 09/22/2012 10:40:46 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Altariel

He should look for another state to open his business.

Fighting city hall is senseless in this case.


18 posted on 09/22/2012 10:41:03 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Emperor Palpatine
"This is why the rest of America sees the South as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoys, and hayseeds."

You don't want to know exactly what we think of low IQ, low-life POS's like you.
Crawl back into your hole you stinking pig!!

19 posted on 09/22/2012 10:41:34 AM PDT by blam
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To: Altariel

It is illegal to brew your own in Alabama?


20 posted on 09/22/2012 10:47:35 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: dljordan
"I see, and what do Mayor Bloomberg’s authoritarian antics bring to mind?"

“That the rest of America sees the South North as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoysLeftist Nanny Staters, and hayseedsProgressive know-it-alls.”

21 posted on 09/22/2012 10:58:22 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Alabama and Mississippi both ban homebrew. Only 2 states in the union that do.

/johnny

22 posted on 09/22/2012 10:59:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Altariel

Did they confiscate any incondescent lightbulbs?


23 posted on 09/22/2012 11:03:37 AM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil-- A-merican)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Evidence of intent to use lawful materials for illegal purposes.


24 posted on 09/22/2012 11:04:02 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Alabama and Mississippi both ban homebrew. Only 2 states in the union that do.

NJ and Oregon are the only two states where it's forbidden to pump your own gas.

25 posted on 09/22/2012 11:07:28 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: Altariel

This man will obviously win in court, but the agents will cost him and ruin his day. It was for that reason, when Clinton was elected and started shooting off his mouth about guns, I got a permit to carry so no IQ challenged police officer could ruin my day while I was driving to the gun club or returning home with a box of ammunition on the seat of my car. All it takes is one slow individual to make a mess of something perfectly legal.


26 posted on 09/22/2012 11:11:14 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Emperor Palpatine
This is why the rest of America sees the South as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoys, and hayseeds.

It's the government that looks like idiots and killjoys here. Tyrannical killjoys.

Hopefully a smackdown will ensue. Maybe some day government will focus on actual criminals...

27 posted on 09/22/2012 11:18:35 AM PDT by sargon
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To: Emperor Palpatine

28 posted on 09/22/2012 11:27:01 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Focault's Pendulum
NJ and Oregon are the only two states where it's forbidden to pump your own gas.

LOL. Nice one. It's hilarious the way the Oregonian gas station attendants always have to run full speed out from the register to the gas pumps to stop us Californians from (the horror!) picking up the nozzle and putting it into our own gas tanks.
29 posted on 09/22/2012 11:30:55 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: stormer

If you have ever split wood you know how the wood shifts if you walk on it or sit on it. If you have a member dangling down between the split wood it would get dicy very quickly. It does look like this guy is screaming, and I for one, recommend we all understand and appeciate the preDicament he finds himself in.


30 posted on 09/22/2012 11:37:13 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (<)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Mississippi does allow making wine at home but not beer. I guess I was breaking the law for over two years before I moved to Texas.

But ... But Sheriff its not beer it is a sparkling hops wine with other additives used for flavor.


31 posted on 09/22/2012 11:43:35 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Altariel

Union members with pens sending union members with guns to protect union members at Budweiser who send union contributions to the original union members with pens, and promise to vote them in for another four years.

Hitler could have conquered the planet if he’d concentrated less on tanks and rockets, and instead mastered the Big Union Circle Jerk...half the people on the planet would have gladly surrendered their inalienable rights for guaranteed union benefits, and that half would have happily oppressed or imprisoned the remainder that were bitterly clinging to their constitutional rights. “You’re going to pay me what a first year intern MD makes, pension me in 15 years, AND let me double-dip? And the wage slaves and ‘enemies of the state’ get to pay for it all? Here, brother...let me help you unload that Zyklon B!” /s

You could find this protectionism in every town in the country, if people open their eyes and look beneath the thin veneer of legislated licensing/product control/distribution control/interstate trade agreements/crop controls/controlled substances/limits on power plants, manufacturing, refineries.

Why do you think the United States can no longer compete? The “greedy American too lazy to work” lie, is a brainwash. The incestuous match made in hell between unions and government profits from the worker bee and the EBT bum both, and works both ends against the middle, and they are the self appointed grinning fat cat overseers watching over the whole plantation to make sure that all us po’ slaves get along, an’ don’ get no uppity ideas about bein’ self reliant or earning our own bread widdout their “help”!

BTW...if you don’t believe that we are in the Gulag already...if you don’t think that the “fix” isn’t already in...if I’m a big conspiracy nut job, then answer me this:

Why is it that not one single member of the Republican Congress has yet used the words, “prison terms”, or even one word, “treason”. Have the goons confiscated all the Webster’s dictionaries in DC, as well?

I sures hope the new white overseer gets us a little mo’ cornmeal and anutha chunk of po’k in the stewpot, I surely does. Of course we should vote for the bishop...as if we ever had any other real choice. Anyone who gave us a real shot at draining the swamp, was politically assassinated early on. We think we have a choice between left and right, but the government union control stays dead center. I’m voting for my belly, because my heart ain’t in it.

You don’t need to chain slaves if you fool them into thinking they’re free.


32 posted on 09/22/2012 11:47:10 AM PDT by Tuanedge
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To: Tuanedge

Go ahead, flame me, I deserve it...the rant ghost took me over...LOL


33 posted on 09/22/2012 11:52:13 AM PDT by Tuanedge
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To: Tuanedge

Pretty good rant, actually.


34 posted on 09/22/2012 12:05:24 PM PDT by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Altariel

Doesn’t Alabama have State owned liquor stores? Easy way to prevent competition.


35 posted on 09/22/2012 12:08:49 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

As opposed to bastions of liberty like New York City, where the citizens can’t be trusted to make their own dietary decisions, or Chicago, where the gun laws ensure that only criminals are armed? Pull your head out of your azz.


36 posted on 09/22/2012 12:15:51 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Well here in the evil state of California we pump our own gas and brew our own beer. And large sodas are only $1 at some fast food places. There is one place near me that has 1 gal containers for cokes. And a price for 5 gallons soda pop. There are a few Gun, bait , beer and knife stores left.

Well for now.


37 posted on 09/22/2012 12:16:11 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: Focault's Pendulum

“NJ and Oregon are the only two states where it’s forbidden to pump your own gas.”

I thought NJ was the only one, when did OR join it ?


38 posted on 09/22/2012 12:17:03 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Be-zarrr! I am more surprised that two southern states would ban it than New York allowing it! And NY allowing it floors me.

My husband is getting ready to start a batch today after taking a couple of years off. He does some really fine brews, and learned to make excellent wines as well.

The smell though! Gaaah! It’s too much in a small house.


39 posted on 09/22/2012 12:18:57 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Altariel
The ABC Agents loaded up a van with $7,000 of Kraig’s inventory, stating they would be back the next day for the rest

He'll never see that inventory again.

40 posted on 09/22/2012 12:23:23 PM PDT by bgill
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To: PLMerite
I thought NJ was the only one, when did OR join it ?

Don't know. Might have always been that way.

41 posted on 09/22/2012 12:25:22 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Don’t jump the gun guys. There are two other stores in this area that sell the same supplies. There were only three agents there and no one saw any guns drawn. This store owner wasn’t supposed to stock the store until he had a license and if he was the expert on ABC regs. as he claims he should have known. He Seems To Protest Too Much...


42 posted on 09/22/2012 12:34:43 PM PDT by virgil283
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To: Bratch
Found this in a family museum a few years ago.....hmmmmm hey told me it was a flux capacitor Photobucket
43 posted on 09/22/2012 12:42:34 PM PDT by halfright (FAST & FURIOUS! DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

...their Cadillac has a wheel in the ditch and a wheel on the track.


44 posted on 09/22/2012 12:52:23 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

You enlightened ones just ban large sodas and put huge sin taxes on the demon weed, tobbaco. So superior are you nanny state pinko yanks. :)


45 posted on 09/22/2012 1:08:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Altariel

The article is a little unclear on the subject, but it appears that you need to apply for a permit BEFORE you put home brewing supplies in your store? I know its a technicality, but if I read the article correctly, that’s the reason I see for them confiscating it, and simply harassment. They could have simply inventoried, and told him not to sell anything until his permit comes through. Of course, this might be the cause that they deny a permit to him. Zero tolerance idiots have finally graduated from our school systems and are now finding bureaucratic positions within our government.


46 posted on 09/22/2012 1:17:42 PM PDT by krogers58
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To: Mad Dawgg

“That the rest of America sees the South North as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoysLeftist Nanny Staters, and hayseedsProgressive know-it-alls.”

LOL! I once had a hairy-armpit, New York City, Earth Firster lecture me on how Copperheads were no danger and wouldn’t bite you. This was in the middle of severe Copperhead country in Tennessee.


47 posted on 09/22/2012 2:41:40 PM PDT by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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