Skip to comments.Armed Alabama Agents Confiscate Home Brewing Supplies
Posted on 09/22/2012 9:41:12 AM PDT by Altariel
Do you need any proof that Alabama legislature is a backwards thinking? Read on.
My good friend Kraig Torres founded Hop City a few years ago in Atlanta, Georgia. The store sells 1,800+ beers, wine, and homebrewing supplies. Not to mention a 60+ growler station. Hop City is ranked among the best beer stores on planet earth on RateBeer.com Building upon his great success, Kraig decided to open a second location in Birmingham, Alabama. Recent law changes make Birmingham a great place for a second Hop City.
Kraig has received all the necessary permits to open except for one the liquor license from the Alabama Beverage Commission. Kraig applied for this license, and with it, provided a floor plan. In the floor plan, he included an area for home brewing supplies. Home brewing is illegal in Alabama, but selling the ingredients is not. Kraig and his lawyer have done extensive diligence on the matter.
Yesterday (Thursday), ARMED ABC agents raided Hop City Birmingham, and confiscated books on home brewing, grain, wort chillers, and more. The agents threatened to arrest his store manager because he harbored materials used to make beer. The ABC Agents loaded up a van with $7,000 of Kraigs inventory, stating they would be back the next day for the rest. Every single grain, hop, and carboy has to be out of the Hop City Birmingham location before a license will be granted.
Kraig tells me that his opening will now be delayed, until his license can be granted. Im being held hostage by the ABC board.
Sound off. What are your thoughts on armed men confiscating books on brewing? Bagging hops and grain like its cocaine?
UPDATE 9/22/12. 9 AM: The agents were armed. Whether the guns were drawn, or pointed at employees is up for contention.
Ed. Note: Pic above is one BSJ took at the Atlanta Hop City location.
This is why the rest of America sees the South as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoys, and hayseeds.
The key thing here...is that home brewing is simply illegal in Alabama (I grew up there and know the general rule). Anyone who admits they do it...simply takes a risk of some law enforcement guy with free time on his hands....walking up to the frontdoor and making a nuisance out of themselves.
The state has been this way for decades and decades...and is not about to shift around. It’s best to just not admit you brew or even drink...in public. I know it’s sad to admit this....but its the plain simple truth.
This is so repulsively stupid that it could have happened here in Ohio...
I would say Roll Tide but...........
I’m glad that’s the only reason
The victim here was not *brewing* but selling the brewing supplies—selling the supplies is legal in Alabama.
“This is why the rest of America sees the South as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoys, and hayseeds.”
Megabump. Since the state government wants to waste taxpayer time and money regulating this issue, the rest of us will take OUR time and money elsewhere.
What we think of it is obvious...and irrelevant.
Basic fact: police do not enforce the law, because they are not lawyers. They enforce what they THINK is the law, and sensible (if misguided) interpretations thereof. Insofar as they may not know the actual law (written and case), if they think there is sufficient grounds for sufficiently offensive offenses, they bag the evidence and the perpetrator and let a judge adjudicate the details.
Home brewing is illegal in AL. If you’re selling all the stuff needed to engage in a long and well established as illegal activity, and all that stuff has no other practical purpose given the obvious context, police are within their job description to seize & arrest accordingly. “Constructive possession” is a standard principle in law.
I don’t agree with this, I’m just explaining how this bit of the world works.
“This is why the rest of America sees the South as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoys, and hayseeds.”
I see, and what do Mayor Bloomberg’s authoritarian antics bring to mind?
Wait, i have an idea. We brew bootleg brew in the woods, and deliver it to customers in cars. And these cars need to be extra fast to elude the cops. We could even have contests to see who the best bootleg driver is.
Dude,,this is gonna be BIG. I can just feel it.
At least they weren’t selling 64oz. Big Gulp sodas.
He should look for another state to open his business.
Fighting city hall is senseless in this case.
You don't want to know exactly what we think of low IQ, low-life POS's like you.
Crawl back into your hole you stinking pig!!
It is illegal to brew your own in Alabama?
That the rest of America sees the
South North as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoysLeftist Nanny Staters, and hayseedsProgressive know-it-alls.
Did they confiscate any incondescent lightbulbs?
Evidence of intent to use lawful materials for illegal purposes.
NJ and Oregon are the only two states where it's forbidden to pump your own gas.
This man will obviously win in court, but the agents will cost him and ruin his day. It was for that reason, when Clinton was elected and started shooting off his mouth about guns, I got a permit to carry so no IQ challenged police officer could ruin my day while I was driving to the gun club or returning home with a box of ammunition on the seat of my car. All it takes is one slow individual to make a mess of something perfectly legal.
It's the government that looks like idiots and killjoys here. Tyrannical killjoys.
Hopefully a smackdown will ensue. Maybe some day government will focus on actual criminals...
If you have ever split wood you know how the wood shifts if you walk on it or sit on it. If you have a member dangling down between the split wood it would get dicy very quickly. It does look like this guy is screaming, and I for one, recommend we all understand and appeciate the preDicament he finds himself in.
Mississippi does allow making wine at home but not beer. I guess I was breaking the law for over two years before I moved to Texas.
But ... But Sheriff its not beer it is a sparkling hops wine with other additives used for flavor.
Union members with pens sending union members with guns to protect union members at Budweiser who send union contributions to the original union members with pens, and promise to vote them in for another four years.
Hitler could have conquered the planet if he’d concentrated less on tanks and rockets, and instead mastered the Big Union Circle Jerk...half the people on the planet would have gladly surrendered their inalienable rights for guaranteed union benefits, and that half would have happily oppressed or imprisoned the remainder that were bitterly clinging to their constitutional rights. “You’re going to pay me what a first year intern MD makes, pension me in 15 years, AND let me double-dip? And the wage slaves and ‘enemies of the state’ get to pay for it all? Here, brother...let me help you unload that Zyklon B!” /s
You could find this protectionism in every town in the country, if people open their eyes and look beneath the thin veneer of legislated licensing/product control/distribution control/interstate trade agreements/crop controls/controlled substances/limits on power plants, manufacturing, refineries.
Why do you think the United States can no longer compete? The “greedy American too lazy to work” lie, is a brainwash. The incestuous match made in hell between unions and government profits from the worker bee and the EBT bum both, and works both ends against the middle, and they are the self appointed grinning fat cat overseers watching over the whole plantation to make sure that all us po’ slaves get along, an’ don’ get no uppity ideas about bein’ self reliant or earning our own bread widdout their “help”!
BTW...if you don’t believe that we are in the Gulag already...if you don’t think that the “fix” isn’t already in...if I’m a big conspiracy nut job, then answer me this:
Why is it that not one single member of the Republican Congress has yet used the words, “prison terms”, or even one word, “treason”. Have the goons confiscated all the Webster’s dictionaries in DC, as well?
I sures hope the new white overseer gets us a little mo’ cornmeal and anutha chunk of po’k in the stewpot, I surely does. Of course we should vote for the bishop...as if we ever had any other real choice. Anyone who gave us a real shot at draining the swamp, was politically assassinated early on. We think we have a choice between left and right, but the government union control stays dead center. I’m voting for my belly, because my heart ain’t in it.
You don’t need to chain slaves if you fool them into thinking they’re free.
Go ahead, flame me, I deserve it...the rant ghost took me over...LOL
Pretty good rant, actually.
Doesn’t Alabama have State owned liquor stores? Easy way to prevent competition.
As opposed to bastions of liberty like New York City, where the citizens can’t be trusted to make their own dietary decisions, or Chicago, where the gun laws ensure that only criminals are armed? Pull your head out of your azz.
Well here in the evil state of California we pump our own gas and brew our own beer. And large sodas are only $1 at some fast food places. There is one place near me that has 1 gal containers for cokes. And a price for 5 gallons soda pop. There are a few Gun, bait , beer and knife stores left.
Well for now.
“NJ and Oregon are the only two states where it’s forbidden to pump your own gas.”
I thought NJ was the only one, when did OR join it ?
Be-zarrr! I am more surprised that two southern states would ban it than New York allowing it! And NY allowing it floors me.
My husband is getting ready to start a batch today after taking a couple of years off. He does some really fine brews, and learned to make excellent wines as well.
The smell though! Gaaah! It’s too much in a small house.
He'll never see that inventory again.
Don't know. Might have always been that way.
Don’t jump the gun guys. There are two other stores in this area that sell the same supplies. There were only three agents there and no one saw any guns drawn. This store owner wasn’t supposed to stock the store until he had a license and if he was the expert on ABC regs. as he claims he should have known. He Seems To Protest Too Much...
...their Cadillac has a wheel in the ditch and a wheel on the track.
You enlightened ones just ban large sodas and put huge sin taxes on the demon weed, tobbaco. So superior are you nanny state pinko yanks. :)
The article is a little unclear on the subject, but it appears that you need to apply for a permit BEFORE you put home brewing supplies in your store? I know its a technicality, but if I read the article correctly, that’s the reason I see for them confiscating it, and simply harassment. They could have simply inventoried, and told him not to sell anything until his permit comes through. Of course, this might be the cause that they deny a permit to him. Zero tolerance idiots have finally graduated from our school systems and are now finding bureaucratic positions within our government.
That the rest of America sees the South North as full of idiots, Bible-thumping killjoysLeftist Nanny Staters, and hayseedsProgressive know-it-alls.
LOL! I once had a hairy-armpit, New York City, Earth Firster lecture me on how Copperheads were no danger and wouldn’t bite you. This was in the middle of severe Copperhead country in Tennessee.
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