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Illinois police officer goes to wrong house, shoots family's dog
The Examiner ^ | September 20, 2012 | Penny Eims

Posted on 09/22/2012 9:42:59 AM PDT by Altariel

A dog, confined within his own yard, was shot and killed by an Eldorado, Ill. police officer who had mistakenly arrived to the wrong house to investigate a report of a stolen ladder.

According to Wednesday's publication of WSIL TV, the shooting took place on Sunday evening, when an officer arrived to the home of Jason Robershaw.

Robershaw claims that he heard a knock at his back door, followed by gun shots.

Those shots took the life of his 6-year-old German shepherd, "Smokey."

The grieving owner describes the horrific scene outside of his back door:

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dog; donutwatch; eldorado; germanshepherd; illinois; police; standingarmy
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1 posted on 09/22/2012 9:43:01 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Shoot my dog under these circumstances,and a State of War would exist between me and the police.


2 posted on 09/22/2012 9:48:39 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Altariel

So the Officer, fearing for his life, had to shoot a chained dog? And at the wrong house to boot!

He shouldn’t be on the Police Force!


3 posted on 09/22/2012 9:50:00 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (We have met the enemy and they is us! After all, who voted Obama in?)
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To: Altariel

While I love dogs and have owned several and still mourn their NATURAL death, I think the truly serious problem is WHY ARE THE POLICE SO OFTEN GOING TO THE WRONG ADDRESS.


4 posted on 09/22/2012 9:50:40 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: kitkat

Because they just don’t care. To them, all “civilians” are criminals or almost criminals and don’t deserve rights, much less respect. They put the “blue line” stickers on their cars for a reason—as a warning to their brother cops that they are “good people” and not mere civilians to be threatened, distrusted, and harassed.


5 posted on 09/22/2012 9:54:51 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Altariel

One of these days they’re going to find one of these dog shooters with a hole in his head and a dog biscuit in his mouth.


6 posted on 09/22/2012 9:55:48 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Altariel

This man should never be allowed to own a gun again if he’s so afraid of a chained dog - which homeowners have for protection from criminals. The puke is now a criminal, in my eyes.

And all over a LADDER - even if it WERE the right house, totally unjustified.

Actually, it’s amazing it was a lone officer and not a S.W.A.T. team. After all, going up against a ladder thief is dangerous business.

Just disgusting - and this trend is alarming. I hope we hear what happens, if anything, to this ‘officer.’


7 posted on 09/22/2012 9:57:59 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: Altariel
If you saw that happening in your yard, to your best friend, would you shoot the bastard who did it? Oh...and what if the person was wearing a uniform, would it matter?

I know what the rational answer should be, but emotion and instantaneous pure hatred would probably get the better of me in that situation.

8 posted on 09/22/2012 9:58:57 AM PDT by GBA
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To: kitkat
The police go with the addresses they have. The second they go to the internet to either verify or obtain an address they need at least an administrative level warrant.

Otherwise it's a constitutionally impermissible search.

I"ve done more than my fair share of address lookups for cop friends over the years since my job didn't come into conflict with the 4th.

9 posted on 09/22/2012 9:59:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: maine-iac7

Given that we don’t so much as have the officer’s name, that is unlikely.

Journalists who refuse to publish the names of police officers who commit crimes aid the commission of future crimes.


10 posted on 09/22/2012 10:00:49 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

[sincerity, deep] Obviously, only the police and military can be trusted with guns. [/sincerity]


11 posted on 09/22/2012 10:00:53 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: kitkat

Because they are being dumbed-down like the rest of the zombies who don’t think for themselves.


12 posted on 09/22/2012 10:01:54 AM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for admitting your assistance to police officers, enabling them to skirt around constitutional protections.


13 posted on 09/22/2012 10:02:55 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
What was wrong with the front door, was this an unwarranted search?
14 posted on 09/22/2012 10:03:45 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: dljordan

In the heat of an honest nighttime conflict, with someone shooting in my back yard, destroying what is mine, for absolutly no justifiable reason.......I can see it happening.


15 posted on 09/22/2012 10:04:03 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Bryanw92
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Anyone who depends on the police to protect their life and property will likely get their dog shot instead.

Most of the time I see local cops generating revenue by setting up speed traps, or filling out police reports for thefts, burglaries, etc. that are nothing more than the required fodder to submit and insurance claim.

You see more about shot dogs, high-speed chases of teenagers, mistaken address no-knock warrant entries, or arresting someone after a homefront confrontation with a neighbor than you see of a policeman actually preventing/stopping a real crime mid-stream.

When the sh!t hits the fan, don't count on the police. In fact, best advice is to stay away from them.. One only need to look back at the immediate after action by police there to see that Constitutionally guaranteed rights get violated.

16 posted on 09/22/2012 10:04:26 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Altariel

Is that you, Chett99?


17 posted on 09/22/2012 10:04:36 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Altariel

Yet, none of my cop friends ever shot anyone’s dog or went to the wrong house.


18 posted on 09/22/2012 10:04:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Altariel

I am tired of this crap. Apparently we live in a police state, where mistakes are free from civil prosecution.


19 posted on 09/22/2012 10:06:49 AM PDT by badpacifist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDY6v8KdSYs)
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To: muawiyah

Yet, by your own admission, you *did* help them skirt around Constitutional protections, enabling the current mentality of officers who blatantly violating the Constitution.

And I doubt any of your cop friends would have admitted doing so to you, seeing as they were already willing to get around Constitutional protections in the first place, and any admission that they shot the chihuahua belonging to the family living at the wrong house would have made you a less cooperative agent.


20 posted on 09/22/2012 10:07:28 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Farmer Dean

Im with you. Shoot my dog and its on


21 posted on 09/22/2012 10:09:09 AM PDT by ezoeni
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To: muawiyah

“The police go with the addresses they have. The second they go to the internet to either verify or obtain an address they need at least an administrative level warrant.”

And why shouldn’t they have to get a warrant? This moron wasn’t chasing an armed robber, rapist or murderer, it was over a stolen fracking ladder. That’s not even grand theft.


22 posted on 09/22/2012 10:10:59 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: fella

It was an unconsitutional search, period.

The officer wasn’t afraid of the dog (unless he possesses an IQ in the single digits). He saw an opportunity to shoot a dog and took it.

That’s ruthlessness, not cowardice.


23 posted on 09/22/2012 10:13:36 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I have total hatred for cops anymore due to their constant killing of animals and people for no reason other than being trigger happy.


24 posted on 09/22/2012 10:13:47 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: Altariel

If I ever need to have my dog put down I guess I can call the police and get it done for free and save a big vet bill. Why was the cop in the back yard instead of at the front door? I’d consider that criminal trespass. I hope the guy gets fired. As a security guard said to my neighbor’s tree trimmer when trespassing, “you could be going home tonight to your wife in a box.”


25 posted on 09/22/2012 10:16:42 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: CodeToad

The last couple times the police have called for donations, I just gave them a piece of my mind about the totally out of control police department.


26 posted on 09/22/2012 10:18:14 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: Altariel

lucky for you I Hate chihuahuas.


27 posted on 09/22/2012 10:18:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pops88

Cops enter almost everywere through the rear.


28 posted on 09/22/2012 10:19:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Altariel

How many pets have to die because of a knuckle dragging badge monkey cannot keep his burger hook off the bang switch?


29 posted on 09/22/2012 10:19:52 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: pops88

Because as established in this thread, police officers are rewarded and abetted when they skirt the Constitution.

Therefore, they see no need to honor the Constitutional rights of the “little people”.

The peasantry needs to learn to fear the knights of the realm, don’t you know. (You didn’t? Oh. :) )


30 posted on 09/22/2012 10:19:52 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Is it now SOP for LEOs to shoot the family dog first upon calling on a house for any reason at all?

I don’t dislike dogs but don’t love them and really don’t understand keeping one chained up, fenced in, confined and just having it. I sure don’t understand living in the house with one but to each his own.

I can understand feeling the need to shoot one if attacked but this has gotten way out of hand.


31 posted on 09/22/2012 10:19:59 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.s)
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To: muawiyah

Your hatred of chihuahuas is immaterial to the fact that you aided and abetted cops as they violated Constitutional protections.


32 posted on 09/22/2012 10:21:07 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Why the hell was the jackass in the back yard without a search warrant or any probably cause to enter? If he had come to my backdoor he might have been shot himself.

People should not go to the back door if they have legitimate business. Backdoors are for family only at my house.


33 posted on 09/22/2012 10:24:11 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.s)
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To: Salamander

This thread has taken an interesting turn.

Want to shoot a dog at the wrong house but don’t have a warrant?

No problem! Ask a friendly postal service worker to skirt around the Constitution for you. He’ll even justify it!

No wonder the problem is so rampant; we have government employees even on Free Republic who admit to aiding and abetting such unconstitutional behavior without shame.


34 posted on 09/22/2012 10:24:25 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: hadaclueonce

For a ladder, a freaking ladder. I know, first the ladder and then your lawn chairs and then your lawn mower.

Someone steals your car from your driveway and maybe someone will stop by tomorrow.


35 posted on 09/22/2012 10:25:49 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Sequoyah101

Because, as has been established in this thread, cops will go to another government employee to get around the Constitution.

Take a cop who has no regard for the Constitution + a desire to shoot living things without cause + no regard for his fellow American = Dog shooting cop


36 posted on 09/22/2012 10:26:07 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Bryanw92
It's due to the "War of Drugs". Same thing happened during (Alcohol) Prohibition.

We have an occupation army in blue.

37 posted on 09/22/2012 10:28:26 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: CodeToad
If cops were human and smart, they would lead the charge to prosecute the offenders within their ranks and make it known, instead of hiding behind the blue line, the union and whatever else.

But does their hiding make sense?

Few things will make people more angry and vengeful toward them all than when just one of them does something like this.

The subconscious thinking goes something like this, "If one does it, they all are bad and everyone of them deserves whatever bad shite that comes their way."

One bad apple spoils the PR and good relations for them all and lowers them all to that bad one's level in the minds of those who, once upon a time, they were to serve and protect.

Whatever happened to those days of my not so distant youth?

38 posted on 09/22/2012 10:30:37 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Altariel

Again? This is outrageous.


39 posted on 09/22/2012 10:30:50 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: hadaclueonce
For a ladder, a freaking ladder. I know, first the ladder and then your lawn chairs and then your lawn mower. Someone steals your car from your driveway and maybe someone will stop by tomorrow.

For a cop to take this much initiative over a ladder, that's either a flimsy cover story, or the ladder belonged to a friend of the cop.

40 posted on 09/22/2012 10:33:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Altariel

What ever happened to an officer coming to the front door.

Anyone sneaking around in my back yard is subject to getting shot.


41 posted on 09/22/2012 10:37:20 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: GBA

Say rather, the thinking goes “if one does it, and he is denounced and appropriately disciplined (fired & criminal charges), then the problem is with the officer, not the department. If one does it, and he is not named by his department nor does his department fire and imprison him for his crimes, then the department is to blame.”

When the department does not do so, the implication is that the entire department is littered with those who have repeatedly violated the Constitution, and they wish their crimes to remain hidden.


42 posted on 09/22/2012 10:38:43 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Sequoyah101
For many, dogs are loved and cared for as one of the family. Some dog owners do not have a family and all the love and devotion that would normally go to family goes to pets.

In cases like this, it is emotionally fairly close to having a cop show up and shoot your 6 year old kid. Just like for your children, the love a good dog is real and runs deep.

They are raised from helpless puppies that fall asleep in your arms. The connection is real and lasts their lifetime and yours. I still find it hard to keep down the lump in my throat when I remember my last boy.

43 posted on 09/22/2012 10:40:29 AM PDT by GBA
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To: kitkat

“WHY ARE THE POLICE SO OFTEN GOING TO THE WRONG ADDRESS.”

We live in a world where everybody is exceptional. Everybody gets a participation prize. No outstanding people are allowed. Mediocrity is the norm. Grades are inflated so everybody passes whether they can spell, work math problems, or read a map; or not. When these people get out in the world they are not careful or complete in their thinking and actions. Our education system has created a product where “substandard” performance is outstanding. Young people never double-check themselves as they’ve been told everything they do is wonderful.


44 posted on 09/22/2012 10:43:26 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

....and we live in a world where police can get around the Constitutional requirement for a warrant by asking their friendly neighborhood fellow government employee to look up the address for them.


45 posted on 09/22/2012 10:46:12 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
I agree. That is where the thinking goes if you process it for a while, but just off the cuff? I doubt most get beyond "They're all bad." followed by "I hate all cops."

That's why it MUST be stopped and publicly denounced. Otherwise, it's corruption is as corruption does and all trust and goodwill is lost, for all the reasons you cite.

46 posted on 09/22/2012 10:47:19 AM PDT by GBA
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47 posted on 09/22/2012 10:48:47 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Altariel

“Take a cop who has no regard for the Constitution”

My money is on a majority has never read it.


48 posted on 09/22/2012 11:04:58 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: GBA

“If cops were human and smart”

Now that is funny!


49 posted on 09/22/2012 11:07:45 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Altariel

OK, I want to know once and for all. There’s got to be Freepers who are law enforcement or ex-law enforcement. You tell me, what’s the deal with the dog shootings in the last decade or so? Point blank, are officers being taught to kill dogs? Seems like in the last 20 years or so something has really changed.

It’s almost as if there’s an unwritten rule nowadays that says “If dog challenges you, kill it. If a dog barks at you, kill it. If a dog gets in your way, kill it. If you enter someones property and you see a dog you are free to pull out your service weapon and execute it on the spot. Don’t worry, we will cover for you. You have free reign to kill any dog you see. The worst you can expect is a few days of desk duty. We’ve got your back. Go for it.”

Is there some kind of attitude along these lines being conveyed in police departments across the country? At the very least that dog is someone’s property! You can’t just destroy someone’s property without a damn good reason. Or can you? It certainly seems that way.


50 posted on 09/22/2012 11:12:44 AM PDT by servo1969
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