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Sig SP2022 or Glock 19 4g or 3G
killermosquito ^ | 09/24/2012 | killermosquito

Posted on 09/24/2012 4:37:30 AM PDT by killermosquito

I'm getting ready to buy my first gun. I'm interested in Sig SP2022 or Glock 19 4g or 3G or others you may suggest. I'm 50ish, 6 footish, and about 220lbs. I intend to go for concealed carry.


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1 posted on 09/24/2012 4:37:34 AM PDT by killermosquito
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To: killermosquito

1911A1....why fire 19 rounds when 1 is all you need...your a big boy...you can handle the weight/recoil. .45 is what you need.


2 posted on 09/24/2012 4:45:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: killermosquito

I have a sig and a glock. Both are good weapons but after 10 years of shooting them I prefer the sig on shooting ease, quality, and accuracy.

For concealed carry the double action in the sig is also better. In my opinion.


3 posted on 09/24/2012 4:52:15 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: killermosquito

My call is to find a gun range which rents weapons and has the models you are interested in. Nothing is really comparable to taking the test drive. Finding out how a weapon fits your hand while shooting is really the most important data point and this cannot be related by someone else. Also trigger pull is crucial. One of the most telling signs of a cheap weapon is a bad trigger pull. While this can often be fixed by a trigger job from a good gunsmith, this does depend on model.

This weekend I finally shot a Glock again. I had shot one quite a few years ago and remember it not suiting me because it did not fit my hands well. Having a bit more extensive opportunity to shoot one this weekend after even more years of shooting experience, I’ve noticed this was still the case. The grip and configuration just doesn’t feel good. I was still reasonably accurate, but I would not own one of those guns.

Personally I’m a big fan of SIG guns. However I don’t have any of their polymer framed models so lacking in first hand experience I can’t directly comment on the model you are considering. I do know well and quite like their metal frame pistols (P220, P226, P229). I’d assume they are up to the SIG quality level I am familiar with, but then you know what they say about assume.

Oh, and I would also counsel the .40 S&W over the 9mm as you consider calibers. I’m a partisan of the larger hole school of self defense thinking. Personally I favor .45 ACP in a carry gun, but that doesn’t appear to be in the realm of what you are considering.


4 posted on 09/24/2012 4:52:24 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Vaquero

While I do have 2 1911s and like them, I don’t consider them ideal carry weapons, nor weapons for a first time gun owner. They are a bit more difficult in field stripping and are somewhat more finicky in ammo selection and feeding.

I do agree that .45 ACP is a better caliber choice. People should not be intimidated by hearsay about recoil. .45 ACP recoil really is very manageable, not really markedly more than 9mm(in felt recoil).


5 posted on 09/24/2012 4:55:18 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: killermosquito

The suggestion about checking some out at the shooting range is spot on. Then get your concealed carry license before you buy. I assume most states’ laws are similar to North Carolina, where you don’t need a separate permit if you have the CC.


6 posted on 09/24/2012 4:56:28 AM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: killermosquito

I’m going to piggyback. The new neighbors ... a live-with-mom 20-something junkie, just kicked out of rehab. Not liking the passers by in my once idyllic cul-de-sac. Anything is possible with these dregs.


7 posted on 09/24/2012 4:58:06 AM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: killermosquito

I have a Sig 9mm and a Springfield XDM .40

My preference for overall hand feel and accuracy is the Springfield, tho I do like the Sig. I carry one or the other depending on mood.


8 posted on 09/24/2012 5:00:07 AM PDT by Adder (No Mo BO)
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To: killermosquito

I’m personally a fan of the Walther P99 series. The P99AS is a very nice concealed carry pistol, measuring about 6 1/2” in length. The backstrap on the the grip has three interchangeable sizes, making it easier to adjust to smaller or larger hands (plus you can switch them out pretty quickly.) Chambered in 9mm or .40S&W with a 10 and 8 round magazine respectively. The other really snazzy features for CC are the chambered round visual indicator on the top, and the tactile cocking indicator where the hammer would be (plus the decocker in front of the rear sight is flush with the rest of the slide, keeping it from snagging when drawing or holstering in a deep holster.)


9 posted on 09/24/2012 5:00:07 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: killermosquito
I share your physical profile, have been CHL carry for 15yrs now. Started with 9mm, then .32, then .380 and now, thanks to American innovation am stepping up to .45ACP.

If you can get your hands on one (demand since their release has depleted inventory) I most highly recommend the Springfield XDS compact 45. It comes in at the same size and weight and some very popular 9s, but hassle thing they do not: 6 rounds of 45ACP.

Also, everyone is unique in what they ‘feel’ is too big, too heavy, too small and how to carry. For my size and daily work environment I have settled in on a slide belt holster that has a nice cant, where the butt of the gun leans tight towards my body. Wearing a Cuban, cabana or camp style shirt that has an even hemmed tail offers easy access and concealment. Not easily done during our warm summer months. The belt securely and naturally handles the weight. When you are standing or walking then just off center up front is ideal. When sitting the holster can be slid more to your side.

10 posted on 09/24/2012 5:04:40 AM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: killermosquito

If its between those 2, get the Sig.

1911A1 or Browning Hi-Power. Thats your real choice.


11 posted on 09/24/2012 5:06:32 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: killermosquito
I like American made guns from American made parts with profits going to Americans. How about a Smith&Wesson M&P? You can chose from the highly compact 9c or Shield lines, full size which are still concealable in 9mm, .40 and .45. The M&P line of autoloaders are typically more accurate than a glock, they don't have polygonal rifling so you can shoot lead, and the stock trigger (while crap compared to a 1911) is as good as a glock. With some work the trigger can become very nice.

I'm in the process of getting rid of some glocks and sigs to replace them with S&Ws so I'm biased.

12 posted on 09/24/2012 5:13:30 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: killermosquito

Glock 19C. The balance of the Plastic Fantastic is unbelievable.

Also consider the Walther PPK, no longer prone to jamming. Nice gun....besides, 007 has great taste in weapons.


13 posted on 09/24/2012 5:14:18 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: killermosquito

If you can afford it, get all of them, and then you won’t have to struggle with deciding to buy them one at a time. Start your collection now.


14 posted on 09/24/2012 5:16:22 AM PDT by pallis
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To: killermosquito

Where do you live(climate), how do you dress on a daily basis, how does it fit with your lifestyle. Find a weapon that you WILL carry. Will you carry ON you or IN a pocket? Try various weapons for “FEEL”. ETC


15 posted on 09/24/2012 5:18:35 AM PDT by capt B
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To: killermosquito

Try them out at a range and then go with the one that feels the most comfortable. I prefer 45’s but go with what feels good.


16 posted on 09/24/2012 5:19:47 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Delta 21

No choice for me, I’ll take the Hi-Power.


17 posted on 09/24/2012 5:24:20 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: killermosquito

Which ever weapon you can shoot the best and feel comfortable with. It is not another persons place to say what someone else should carry. Go to local range, try several models and see which one you like the best. I would say the caliber isn’t the most important ( min 9mm), shot placement control and mental processing are what matters most in conceal carry. Make sure you go through classes and drills and practice on a regular basis.


18 posted on 09/24/2012 5:31:20 AM PDT by Swingj
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To: killermosquito

Which ever weapon you can shoot the best and feel comfortable with. It is not another persons place to say what someone else should carry. Go to local range, try several models and see which one you like the best. I would say the caliber isn’t the most important ( min 9mm), shot placement control and mental processing are what matters most in conceal carry. Make sure you go through classes and drills and practice on a regular basis.


19 posted on 09/24/2012 5:31:24 AM PDT by Swingj
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To: killermosquito

Which ever weapon you can shoot the best and feel comfortable with. It is not another persons place to say what someone else should carry. Go to local range, try several models and see which one you like the best. I would say the caliber isn’t the most important ( min 9mm), shot placement control and mental processing are what matters most in conceal carry. Make sure you go through classes and drills and practice on a regular basis.


20 posted on 09/24/2012 5:31:29 AM PDT by Swingj
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To: killermosquito

Which ever weapon you can shoot the best and feel comfortable with. It is not another persons place to say what someone else should carry. Go to local range, try several models and see which one you like the best. I would say the caliber isn’t the most important ( min 9mm), shot placement control and mental processing are what matters most in conceal carry. Make sure you go through classes and drills and practice on a regular basis.


21 posted on 09/24/2012 5:31:29 AM PDT by Swingj
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To: killermosquito

Really look at the Springfield XD. Lighter, more accurate in my hands. But go shoot several and get the one that works well for you. Also, for c/c, a 9mm is sufficient. You will be at close quarters, and even a .22 will do the job at that range.


22 posted on 09/24/2012 5:39:42 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: killermosquito
Sig is as good as you can get, next would be a Spring Field Armory XD....

Stay away from 9mil, they lack the serious knock down power.

Go with nothing less than 40cal. 45 is better.

23 posted on 09/24/2012 5:41:03 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: killermosquito

I suggest neither...have a hard look at the Sig P229 in .40 S&W.
Very good pistol and you can buy a drop-in barrel that will allow you to also shoot the 357Sig round.
Fun round to target shoot.


24 posted on 09/24/2012 5:41:03 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: killermosquito

I have carried both. Go with the Sig. Even better would be to buy them both.


25 posted on 09/24/2012 5:43:56 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: killermosquito

I’ve owned three SIGs and four Glocks.
They’re both fine weapons, so your ability to shoot either is what matters.

Don’t let the caliber-junkies influence you. A 9mm is within 5% of “one shot stop” statistics of the .45ACP.


26 posted on 09/24/2012 5:48:38 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Durus

Smith&Wesson makes excelent wheel guns. However their semi-auto’s just have so dang many moving parts. They just seem too complicated for everyday field/combat use.


27 posted on 09/24/2012 5:48:48 AM PDT by Patriot365
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To: killermosquito
Baretta Nano...if you must have a easily concealed carry 9mm, please investigate this gun.

If size is no real object - Browning High Power. It works.
28 posted on 09/24/2012 5:50:18 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: killermosquito

Before you buy a Sig, check out CZ. You’ll have a weapon of virtually the same quality with a whole lot of money left over for ammo and accessories.


29 posted on 09/24/2012 5:51:41 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: killermosquito

Did you look at the Springfield XDS? It is so small I must double check to see if I picked up my Taurus PT709 or the XDS. It is rumored to be coming out in a 9mm. One thing, ammo is so expensive I prefer to carry a 9mm because I can shoot with it every couple of weeks, fire off a hundred rounds, no worries. I am pretty tiny so I must have a tiny gun to conceal. My husbands Glock 19 is a great range gun, just too big for my hands after about fifty rounds. The Glock 26 & 36 are on my list right after the XDS in a 9mm.


30 posted on 09/24/2012 5:51:49 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: killermosquito

I have the Glock model 22 in .40 S&W.
Good shooter...


31 posted on 09/24/2012 5:57:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

“Don’t let the caliber junkies-influence you”

I agree. If that is going to be the criteria why mess around? My Sig-p556 fits very nicely in a tennis racket case..


32 posted on 09/24/2012 6:00:22 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: drbuzzard; killermosquito

Second everything said by drbuzzard.

What you buy comes down to what feels comfortable to your grip when in use. Your physical size should not be an issue for .40 cals which my stable is mostly full of and the P226 is my favorite. Not only for trigger, but for endurance in sand, dirt and muck. The P226 is kinda big to lug around, but I am a bigger guy so it hides well under loose clothes or 511 gear.

Like the .45s and have a handful of those in 1911 frames, the Kimber Ultra Pro Carry II really carries nice.

Good luck


33 posted on 09/24/2012 6:01:30 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: killermosquito
I have a 3G Glock 19.

Love it. Can't comment on the others because I don't own either of them.

34 posted on 09/24/2012 6:02:30 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: killermosquito
As the old saw goes: "Opinions are like a$$holes....everyone has one."

I'm obviously an a$$hole, too, because here's mine (opinion).....

I'm both a fan of 1911's (including Officer's Model) and .45 ACP, B-U-T my most favorite combo for carry and the range is a 1911 in .38 Super. (1) I have more control getting back on target after firing a round of Super. Double-taps are accurate and quick. (2) Super is "smooth" to shoot.... comfortable and minimal recoil straight back, without the big muzzle jump....

Not as loud.

Plus, Colt makes the conversion kits that can be swapped out in less than 90 seconds from .45 and Super to .22 LR.....think Gluck makes a conversion kit, also.

I'm a 'big-boy', too.....6'2" @ 220 lbs., so neither 1911 carry weight nor recoil is a major problem.

35 posted on 09/24/2012 6:05:24 AM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: killermosquito

If you’re not a real “gun guy” and willing to clean and take ‘good” care of the weapon stick with a revolver. They need little care, fire all the time, every time. eg; S&W 638,S&W 340 PD


36 posted on 09/24/2012 6:05:29 AM PDT by capt B
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To: rstrahan
Really look at the Springfield XD. Lighter, more accurate in my hands.

I currently have a P-38 (9mm) which I use on the range and for home defense, but I have been looking for something smaller for my first CC weapon. After a lot of research, the gun I have zeroed in on is the XDS.

37 posted on 09/24/2012 6:05:38 AM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!r)
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To: killermosquito
If the choice is Sig or Glock, hands down I would go for the Sig. If it's good for my special forces son in law, it's good. OTOH, everyone is different. Why not go to a gun range, rent a couple of pistols and try them out? I've owned some dozen or so different pistols in the past and was an expert shooter on the 45 and M16 and qualified frequently on the Beretta 9mm while in the Coast Guard. I've worked with quite a few people who had difficulty qualifying on the range. Comfort with a pistol comes gradually. If you have never shot before, I'd say start off with a 22 target pistol until you have the sight and trigger pull skills down pat. Learn to breath right! Then move up to .38 maybe, 9mm, etc. Shorter barrels last. If you just want something in night stand in case o fa break in, a revolver is good unless you are willing to clean and practice with a semi frequently. Currently I am happy with my Taurus 809 and am looking for a smaller version of my 4inch to carry. Outstanding safety features on this model. Just one guys opinion, every one has their favorites.Heck, there's still people out there buying Chevys.
38 posted on 09/24/2012 6:13:11 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: killermosquito
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/handgun-stopping-power/

It is not just the gun, it is the ammo you are shooting. Here is an article of 100 different rounds, calibers, penetration and expansion. I did not opt for a .45, I went with a 9mm Taurus 709 and Hornady critical defense.

39 posted on 09/24/2012 6:15:51 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: killermosquito

Like you I’m average size too. I carry a P229 40 cal iwb holster every single day. I love this gun. I am partial to Sig.


40 posted on 09/24/2012 6:17:03 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Swingj

Killermosquito, I think your keyboard is on full auto!


41 posted on 09/24/2012 6:19:03 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: killermosquito

Quick answer: Glock 19 gen 4.

I like this advice: “Where do you live (climate), how do you dress on a daily basis, how does it fit with your lifestyle. Find a weapon that you WILL carry. Will you carry ON you or IN a pocket? Try various weapons for “FEEL”. ETC”

Big, heavy 2 pound, large caliber guns sound ok until shortly you find reasons for leaving them home. Start small. A very small gun like Seecamp .32 can always be carried... quick and easy to pop in pocket before you walk out the door. So comfortable I often carry it around the house, which is not a bad idea during a quick entry break-in of your house. And research on the Winchester Silvertip .32 is quite good. A little gun in your pocket is far more lethal than a big gun at home or in your car.

My favorite is a small sized, 1 pound gun... Kahr PM9, or now that’s is available, the S&W Shield. 9mm ammo for both, in +p or +p+ power (used by police and available to civilians). Excellent street and test results with these higher power loads.

Ammo is a concern. Regular 9mm ammo is cheap to practice with, which you need to do, especially when getting acquainted with your gun.

Holsters are a concern, especially with larger, 2 pound guns. Must get a decent gun belt to support the heavy weight ($60+). Must buy one size larger pants if planning to carry inside the waist band, which is how most these guns are carried. Holsters will run $50-100... don’t skimp because you will just end up buying the better stuff anyway.

I love my large size CZ 75, and 1911s, but “dressing” for these larger guns is a pain. With the Kahr or Shield, I pop them in an inexpensive “hot-jox” holster that hangs around my waist... fast, easy, comfortable... and most importantly, I carry them with out complaint: http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2012/01/03/desantis-hot-jox/

My favorite larger gun is my Glock 19 gen 4. 15 rounds plus a spare mag is fun to carry in the winter when I’m wearing heavier clothing. Light weight, compact, simple to operate (important when under stress), easy to take apart and clean, cheap, reliable (but always use high power 9 mm for self-defense for “perfect” reliability).

My opinion only... no 1911s for beginners. Carrying “cocked and locked” will not feel right. They are way more expensive, and less reliable unless in the >$1,400 range. Save big guns for after you have done this for a year.

Take your course and handle lots of guns at stores and the range before you buy.


42 posted on 09/24/2012 6:19:19 AM PDT by RCFlyer
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To: Cuttnhorse

Gotta agree with Cuttinhorse. Sig P229 in a .40. Just like the Secret Service uses. Lots of custom options/model variants.


43 posted on 09/24/2012 6:21:06 AM PDT by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: killermosquito

Im a huge fan of my Baby Desert Eagle. .40 and fits my hand nicely. Maybe a touch heavy, but it behaves as well or better than my friends 1911 or his Sig


44 posted on 09/24/2012 6:39:20 AM PDT by Enigo54 (Hank Reardon was right)
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To: killermosquito
Perfect go big and concealed carry.

.40 Magnum.

Glock 29

45 posted on 09/24/2012 6:52:43 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Patriot365
They might seem that way but police departments don't think so as they are increasingly going with the M&Ps.

Generally speaking semi-auto pistols have less moving parts than revolvers and should be considered a more simple machine. I love wheel guns and they have definite advantages, but they have very practical disadvantages as well.

46 posted on 09/24/2012 7:49:44 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: VeniVidiVici
How did the 10mm get renamed the .40 magnum when it existed before .40S&W? They should have named the .40S&W the 10mmDBC (Designed By Committee). I confess to having a .40 but I quickly replaced the barrel with a .357Sig.
47 posted on 09/24/2012 8:07:18 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

I’m just yanking a few chains ;)


48 posted on 09/24/2012 8:12:40 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: killermosquito

Springfield Armory .40


49 posted on 09/24/2012 8:15:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: killermosquito
By all means, the Glock.

Because Negligent Discharge is so much harder without it.

50 posted on 09/24/2012 8:30:16 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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