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Alternatives to a Bugout Location What You Should Consider
SHTF Plan ^ | 9/24/12 | Holly Deyo

Posted on 09/24/2012 3:39:44 PM PDT by Kartographer

Every person will face an ugly new reality when life as we know it vanishes. It’s coming. Soon. It might be a slow crawl decline or a rapid descent into nightmarish conditions. Various scenarios now flit threateningly across the horizon. If we’re brave enough to peer into the abyss, we can see some of these events bordering on fruition. Most are unnerving; some will be paralyzing. Regardless of the fright factor, we must examine individually how to handle these looming crises. When they strike, people without a plan in place, will die.

So what’s lurking about?

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'Bama' Loss the up coming election.

'Bama' wins the up coming election.

1 posted on 09/24/2012 3:39:49 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

For your consideration, discussion and critique.


2 posted on 09/24/2012 3:41:17 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Either way, war is coming.


3 posted on 09/24/2012 3:48:03 PM PDT by Noumenon (“...the other side wants everything in America to be free, except us.” Paul Ryan)
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To: Kartographer

Do we really need input from the Art Bell wing of the prepper community?


4 posted on 09/24/2012 3:55:16 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I don’t know, did you want to give some input?


5 posted on 09/24/2012 3:59:34 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

We’re rural. I’m prepping tomatoes right now. All we need is some more basics, that’s going to happen. We’re ready for the zombies.


6 posted on 09/24/2012 4:00:27 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Noumenon

I don’t know about war but there will definitely tough times with massive unrest in the cities.


7 posted on 09/24/2012 4:00:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kartographer

I’m not bugging out. I’m standing my ground and killing zombies.


8 posted on 09/24/2012 4:01:32 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Nuke Mecca.)
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To: Noumenon

War is coming. We’re heading for WWIII. Us against the mussies.


9 posted on 09/24/2012 4:02:20 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

I’m listening to the last of the lids to pop. 65 quarts this time. I was at it all weekend.


10 posted on 09/24/2012 4:02:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kartographer

“No matter where you go, there you are.”
I live near water. I have some stores and defenses. If I did not have these I would be looking to move already.
Worst case... sail south till the butter gets soft then flip a coin, left or right?


11 posted on 09/24/2012 4:02:28 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: cripplecreek

I’m going to a pick your own place tomorrow. My last cans of tomatoes are ‘beeping’ at me. Tomorrow, I’ll get my last 30 quarts of tomatoes. Life is good.


12 posted on 09/24/2012 4:05:15 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

I’ve got a lot of dry beans with more drying on the vines now. I’m thinking about canning a couple dozen cans of bean soup.


13 posted on 09/24/2012 4:08:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kartographer

Seems that Paul simply dealt with the circumstances in which he found himself. Not the same as being stupid, or falling on the sword, but more like keeping this in perspective...the billion year perspective.


14 posted on 09/24/2012 4:10:19 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Kartographer

No, I got as far as the solar flares and gave up.


15 posted on 09/24/2012 4:14:48 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: cripplecreek

We’re all doing our part. Good for you. We’re ready for any situation.


16 posted on 09/24/2012 4:17:21 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Kartographer

Any thoughts on leaving the US in the event of an 0bama win with eventual economic and civil strife?
The article did mention renting an apartment. Perhaps offshore is best.


17 posted on 09/24/2012 4:17:43 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Indy Pendance

I do a lot of trading with neighbors. I got the tomatoes by trading some of last year’s dry beans to a farmer who didn’t want the hassle of growing them. I have pickles coming from a neighbor I started plants for in the spring.


18 posted on 09/24/2012 4:21:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: grumpygresh

I’m not leaving. We have to fight right here. This is MY country. There’s no place else on earth that I’ll live.


19 posted on 09/24/2012 4:22:03 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: cripplecreek

The battle lines, if we can call them that, will be everywhere. Right through some peoples’ living rooms. Pretty much like personal accounts of the times leading up to the first American Civil War.


20 posted on 09/24/2012 4:22:23 PM PDT by Noumenon (“...the other side wants everything in America to be free, except us.” Paul Ryan)
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To: Sirius Lee
I'm with you. The safest place for us is at home. I can defend it, it has water, I don't need power, and I have stores and ammo on hand.

We can withstand most scenarios for thirty days. After that, who knows.

21 posted on 09/24/2012 4:24:32 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Noumenon

You are correct. Appeasement has created the climate for Jihad and it will happen, the Russians and the whole oppressed world wants it...Millions will die.


22 posted on 09/24/2012 4:25:04 PM PDT by Shady (Hey, King Bozo Osmocote....you can't hide the truth anymore..)
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To: grumpygresh
Any thoughts on leaving the US in the event of an 0bama win with eventual economic and civil strife?

The coming collapse will be global and I personally think the last thing I would want to be is a foreigner in a strange land. Canada might be OK.
23 posted on 09/24/2012 4:25:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

I’ve divided my oregano 3-4 times, that plant is wild. I dehydrate a ton of herbs. I haven’t had any ‘sharing’ yet, but when neighbors figure out what they have, I’m sure that will happen. I’ll welcome it with open arms.


24 posted on 09/24/2012 4:26:10 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Amen. We got your back.


25 posted on 09/24/2012 4:27:23 PM PDT by Shady (Hey, King Bozo Osmocote....you can't hide the truth anymore..)
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To: Shady

Likewise, we got yours. Those that are prepared seek out like minded folks. We won’t let the zombies control.


26 posted on 09/24/2012 4:30:13 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: papertyger

It surprised me that you even bothered clicked on at all.


27 posted on 09/24/2012 4:32:46 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: cripplecreek

65 quarts of...?


28 posted on 09/24/2012 4:35:13 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Kartographer

It surprised me you would post something from Holly Deyo...


29 posted on 09/24/2012 4:35:51 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: grumpygresh
This is my home and the home of my fathers. Many in my family have died to give me this home.

"In my bag there’s a bible to show me the way, Through my twelfth year on earth and to Heaven some day. I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword, In defence of this land and the word of the Lord." From the Song: Bright Sunny South

Choose this day how you will serve; Will you serve unwillingly and at the bidding of others wearing the yoke of socialism or will you hold true to the course of our forefathers’ standing tall and serving freely? As for me I choose to SERVE THE REPUBLIC!

30 posted on 09/24/2012 4:37:52 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
I don’t know, did you want to give some input?

There are predators.
And there are prey.

Never expect input from prey. They are too busy with reality shows, puerile 'comedy' shows, the new series of pervert dramas and the latest iPod discussions.

31 posted on 09/24/2012 4:39:24 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: ladyjane

Tomatoes.


32 posted on 09/24/2012 4:40:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kartographer
An alternative bugout location.


33 posted on 09/24/2012 4:40:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Indy Pendance

“I’m not leaving. We have to fight right here. This is MY country. There’s no place else on earth that I’ll live.”

You got that right.


34 posted on 09/24/2012 4:43:27 PM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: publius911

I would relish your attempt to take a bite.

Try doing a little research on Holly Deyo and get back to me on your classification strategy.


35 posted on 09/24/2012 4:44:14 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: cripplecreek; grumpygresh
Mack: Shame what this town's come to.
Charley Waite: You could do something about it.
Mack: What? We're freighters. Ralph here's a shopkeeper.
Charley Waite: You're men, ain't you?
Mack: I didn't raise my boys just to see 'em killed.
Charley Waite: Well you may not know this, but there's things that gnaw at a man worse than dying.

I don't seek death, but my children are grown even some of my grandchildren are. Why would I leave them less than what was left to me. Why would I expect to enjoy that which others sacrificed for and yet not be will to pay my own due to protected it even to the last full measure?

36 posted on 09/24/2012 4:47:59 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: grumpygresh

That’s my plan. It’s going to be AMF and away.


37 posted on 09/24/2012 4:59:22 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: publius911

There are also the dumb animals that get caught in the stampede and become carrion for the scavengers.


38 posted on 09/24/2012 5:01:19 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Travis McGee

I live on the coast and there are dozens of those within 10 miles or so. I figure if worst comes I can always go find one of those. There’ll be plenty of bad guys on the water as well though.


39 posted on 09/24/2012 5:08:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: publius911; Kartographer

IMO the subject is very important even if the author didn’t handle it as well as we wish. Most of us can’t afford the ultimate bug out. It pays to think through the options.


40 posted on 09/24/2012 5:11:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I just think that staying in your individual comfort zone is advantageous off the bat. You don’t have the psychology of being in an unfamiliar place with unfamiliar faces around.

I know a lot of people think about heading south from northern states but the cold has plenty of advantages too. Number 1 is the fact that the urban rats will be the primary group heading south.


41 posted on 09/24/2012 5:25:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

IMHO it depends on what happens. A complete collapse will mean very few people are moving. Once the highways are blocked in Florida people won’t be moving far or fast through Florida, too much swamp.


42 posted on 09/24/2012 5:41:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Travis McGee

Mine is more bachelor apartment. Picked it up cheap last election.

It’s been a cheap place to live through the economic crisis, and it’ll be an escape shuttle if It has to be.


43 posted on 09/24/2012 5:57:17 PM PDT by Tuanedge
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To: Indy Pendance

Am I the only one around here that cans meat ?


44 posted on 09/24/2012 6:01:20 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: Indy Pendance

Am I the only one around here that cans meat ?


45 posted on 09/24/2012 6:01:30 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: Indy Pendance

Am I the only one around here that cans meat ?


46 posted on 09/24/2012 6:01:51 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: Travis McGee

That looks great Travis right out of Castigo Bay

Regards
Lurking’


47 posted on 09/24/2012 6:16:16 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: Travis McGee

That looks great Travis right out of Castigo Bay

Regards
Lurking’


48 posted on 09/24/2012 6:16:41 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: MrKatykelly

I do. Not so much lately because I have a suspicion my canner’s pressure guage is off, but I’ve canned lots of meats in the past.


49 posted on 09/24/2012 6:19:28 PM PDT by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: driftdiver

Bingo. Cannot defend a boat very well.


50 posted on 09/24/2012 6:20:39 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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