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Best Inexpensive Guns for Home Defense
Prep-Blog ^ | 9/24/12 | Thoreau

Posted on 09/24/2012 6:24:41 PM PDT by Kartographer

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To: 2111USMC

Really good point. I bought my defender used because we don’t shoot the shotgun much. Just enough to be confident in it. We do shoot the 22/45 and 10/22 a lot so those we bought new. But you can get good deals on 12/20 gauge used shotguns lots of places.


51 posted on 09/24/2012 7:02:59 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

One of the qualifiers here was inexpensive.
I don’t recall any of yours being on the list.


52 posted on 09/24/2012 7:03:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kartographer
7.62 x 39 Unmodified Saiga Rifle
unit cost = ~$400, sometimes a little less
ammo cost = Russian steel cased 20 rounds ~$5.00
saiga after market 30 round mags = ~$27.00
Lethal cartridge and minute of man accurate out to 300 yards.
reliable = It's a Russian AK..... All around, the best value in firearms when all things are considered.
if shtf, priceless
saiga rifle
This guy agrees with me except the price of the basic Saiga has gone up more than $100.00 since the article was written.
53 posted on 09/24/2012 7:04:03 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: yarddog

I know several gents who can shoot 100’s at skeet with pumps (870’s and Winchester 12’s), after about 20 years and 100,000 rounds of practice.

Your point is well taken.


54 posted on 09/24/2012 7:05:02 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Kartographer

Used 12-ga pump.


55 posted on 09/24/2012 7:05:54 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: goat granny

freepers know their guns Thank God...


56 posted on 09/24/2012 7:07:32 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Kartographer
S & W .9MM Sigma.

Under $400. 16 round magazine.

Or...


57 posted on 09/24/2012 7:09:47 PM PDT by jaz.357 ( *Luke 6:43-45* Twas Ever Thus!)
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To: goat granny

My wife and kids do too. We have quite the little fire team if need be.


58 posted on 09/24/2012 7:10:07 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Kartographer
This is my favorite and I hope I never need to use it - sitting right behind my pillow. Mossberg 500 6-Shot & 8-Shot


59 posted on 09/24/2012 7:10:22 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Fireone

You failed to note I didn’t write the article, merely posted it.


60 posted on 09/24/2012 7:14:37 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Before you consider which gun would be right for you, there are some other factors to take into consideration.

1) Points of home invader entry and likely places of home defense.

2) Tactical considerations: do you know them or not (identify your target); adult or child; invader armed or not; coherent or intoxicated (them and you); wanting to advance on you, stand there, surrender, or escape; gap between you; obstacles, concealment and cover for you both.

3) Actions before calling police and after calling police.

4) Local and state laws.

5) Primary and alternate weapons, backups, and contingency plans.


61 posted on 09/24/2012 7:15:12 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Flatus I. Maximus
I've seen a lot of fathers turn their kids off to shooting forever by giving them a .410 for a first shotgun.

Watched Andy Devine on a hunting TV show about a 100 years ago (he died in 1977) drop bird after bird with one. He looked like he was shooting with a child's toy.

62 posted on 09/24/2012 7:17:15 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Kartographer

Mossberg 500 12-ga pump, pachmyr vindicator kit, 8-shot mag tube, and alternate 00-buckshot and deer slugs, with a slug out first.

Just makes sense...reliable, rugged, affordable, and there’s no mistaking that distinct sound of the slide being jacked in a dark room.


63 posted on 09/24/2012 7:21:01 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Stentor

When I was 5 years old I had my picture taken with Andy Devine at the Isle Of View, drive-in theater in Panama City, Florida.

My parents were too cheap to buy the picture tho.


64 posted on 09/24/2012 7:21:38 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Mr. K

I go with a 20 ga. and No. 8 birdshot inside the home.

12 Gauge Birdshot For Home Defense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIfilArIHlY


65 posted on 09/24/2012 7:23:15 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: yarddog
Another factor to consider is that the semiauto action eats a lot of the recoil and particularly with 3" shells that's an avantage.

The 3.5" BlackCloud shells are for pass shooting ducks and geese at 60 - 70 yards i.e. at the normal 40 yard distance you're looking at a pattern the size of a grapefruit or cantelope. The Xtrema-2 has a $300 option called a "kick-off" which is basically an automotive style shock absorber which you don't need for 3" shells but you do need for the 3.5s and the prices you see on Gunbroker vary according to whether a gun comes with "kick-off". Normally I'd figure God was going to punish somebody for being candy-assed enough to need a shock absorber on a shotgun but if you're going to shoot the 3'5s with the Beretta gun, you need it.

Compared to other 12 ga. guns, the Xtrema-2 does a much better job of chambering ordinary skeet ammo reliably, I've never had mine malfunction and I've seen people with the Benelli guns going crazy trying to shoot skeets or Sporting Clays with target ammo.

66 posted on 09/24/2012 7:31:53 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: trimom

The recoil of 12 ga target loads isn’t enough to worry about, it’s only the hunting ammo which has serious recoil.


67 posted on 09/24/2012 7:33:40 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Mr. K

The 410 ga shotgun is a misuse of technology. The only thing it’s really good for is shooting rats and mice and for what you’d pay for a decent one, you could buy 30 or 40 cats and I’d rather have one of the cats around.


68 posted on 09/24/2012 7:35:42 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Kartographer


69 posted on 09/24/2012 7:36:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

What I was told and it sounds about right, don’t go looking for the intruder...get the bed between you and the door, cause the master bedroom is where they will end up...set bedroom furniture with that in mind, if nerveous, the bed can also be used to steady aim. They frame themselves just right when they open the bedroom door....


70 posted on 09/24/2012 7:38:26 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Mr. K

A .410 shotgun has the same penetrative power as any other larger gauge shotgun when firing shot. All shotgun rounds have basically the same comparable muzzle velocity; the bore size in ‘gauge’ only signifies the weight of shot.

Training your daughters with a soft shooting .410 is one thing, but truly you ought to stick to 12 gauge for defense.


71 posted on 09/24/2012 7:40:03 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: trimom
Get this, never fear a shotgun's recoil again:

Knoxx Stock Specops

72 posted on 09/24/2012 7:41:52 PM PDT by xone
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To: Kartographer

Mossberg 590 with bayonet lug (and bayonet). Plus small .22 semiauto handgun, like S&W 422, and then something with a 4 in it, revolver or semi. Then any bolt action .22lr, and maybe some cheap bolt action centerfire, maybe in .223.

Stick to ammo that the military uses or is cheap and plentiful.


73 posted on 09/24/2012 7:47:34 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: 2111USMC

We are just starting to get those knock-offs of the Remington 870 in our store in town. They are made like tanks.. solid good shotguns.


74 posted on 09/24/2012 7:52:10 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: yarddog

I’ve been very pleased with my Marlin 795 & its 10 round single stack mags, using with baby Uplula speed loader is *wonderful*.

I was loaned a 10/22 with the rotary magazine for an Appleseed and I just didn’t like the magazine.

The Marlin is my practice/training long gun because of ammo costs. I like to use 200-250 rounds at each outing and that’s a little out of budget with the AR15.

But for a feeling of security, nothing beats a 12 gauge pump. It’s just a scary piece of hardware. Ran some rifled slugs through it the other day. Zowie, felt like I was ready to hunt elephants.


75 posted on 09/24/2012 7:53:59 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Mr. K

I have a 12 gauge pump Mr K... Remember after Paladinos campaign the ATF came and took it from me? I gave it to Delano to hold for me. He has it and I would sell it to you for what I paid with plenty of shells to go with it.


76 posted on 09/24/2012 8:00:50 PM PDT by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: gore_sux

Remi 870
Glock 17
Ruger 10/22
Bushmaster AR .223

Go to go!


77 posted on 09/24/2012 8:01:29 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: goat granny
FReepers know their guns Thank God!

yeah, but most haven't been in firefights or killed someone. Trust me, when you are in the fight of your life: you will NEVER feel the recoil or hear the muzzle blast.

78 posted on 09/24/2012 8:02:12 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (I'll take over the Mormon over the Moron any day!)
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To: Kartographer

>>>>>>>>
1. Reliable

2. Accurate

3. Moderate power

4. Moderate range

5. Inexpensive gun

6. Availability of ammo

7. Ammo capacity
>>>>>>>>

What range and accuracy do you want for home defence?

IMHO, best choice are any shorter 12 ga shotgun, pump action or semi-auto.

Pump action probably Mossberg, semi-auto is Saiga-12 are best to me.


79 posted on 09/24/2012 8:07:44 PM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I like the Marlin model 60 better than the Ruger 10/22. It is more accurate too. Still since the Ruger has a detachable magazine and there are so many accessories for it, I would recommend it over the model 60 for self defense.

For squirrel or coon hunting, I would keep the Marlin model 60

I have a Marlin in .22mag. It is a bolt action and I ran into a clearance sale on the 10 round mags and got 6 of them. The guy who sold it to me also gave me two more mags so I now have a total of 9.

It has an inexpensive Tasco 3x9x32 scope on it. I was going to put a better scope on it but the one whcih came on it has done so well, I have just left it on.

The gun is not fancy, in fact it doesn’t look like it would be reliable as the feed ramp just is too far from the chamber and looks like it would jam. Fortunately it works absolutely flawlessly. Every time I look at that shell so far from the chamber and think it will not work but it does.-—Every Time! And if that is not enough, it is one of the most accurate rifles I have ever owned. If you do your part from a solid rest it will shoot certain brands of ammo consistently into an inch and even better some times.


80 posted on 09/24/2012 8:09:15 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
Get a single barreled, single shot 12 gauge shotgun. Buy a used one. Use 00 buckshot.

Great idea if you're in a dear blind, bad idea when more than one perps kicks in your front door. I'll admit, it's reliable as hell, but that's not a home defense weapon, but it's better than nothing.

81 posted on 09/24/2012 8:12:47 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Kartographer
Remington 870 Pump 18-1/2 inch barrel. Wilson Combat magazine extension. Light/laser combo. Double ought Buck and slugs.
82 posted on 09/24/2012 8:17:37 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: SolidRedState

That sends a tingle down my leg!


83 posted on 09/24/2012 8:21:50 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The sound of the slide in the dark can make the bad guy sh*t his pants.....


84 posted on 09/24/2012 8:28:22 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Kartographer

I have a “snake gun”. It is a revolver that shoots a special 410 shotgun load that is load of small disc and shot. The pattern at 10 feet is about two feet wide and will take a mailbox down.
It will cover a Hall way in a home. No one can withstand that lead storm. Your aim is not critical.
As a by product, the noise will keep his “buddies” befuddled and running for there lives.


85 posted on 09/24/2012 8:30:56 PM PDT by primatreat (I am really tired of "0"s hustlers slinging defecation.)
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To: Nailbiter

ping


86 posted on 09/24/2012 8:34:45 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: Kartographer

Makarov 9x18mm pistol. Nobody has mentioned it.


87 posted on 09/24/2012 8:35:32 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Kartographer
Yet another vote for the Mossberg 500 or the Remington 870. I have the former. I have far more expensive pieces that do specific jobs better but for the criteria listed - reliability, accuracy, moderate power and range, availability of ammo, capacity, and especially expense, I don't think I can draw a better match to that profile than those.

I am not an advocate of using birdshot in a home defense scenario due to insufficient penetration at the target. If you want baby in the next room to be safe, don't shoot at her. The object of the game is to put so much hurt onto an intruder that he ceases to be a threat. Don't screw around with something appropriate for doves. IMHO, of course.

88 posted on 09/24/2012 8:45:30 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: OldEagle

Great pistol but no longer that cheap, and 12ga is better for home defense.


89 posted on 09/24/2012 8:47:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: OldEagle

I do have a loaded CZ 82 right here.
And a 12 ga pump shotgun.


90 posted on 09/24/2012 8:50:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: trimom
Mossberg 12 ga pump shotgun. Thus sayeth Mr. Trimom.

I am glad I read down a couple posts. Dittos on the Mossberg. Although, I was at my friendly neighborhood gun shop this evening and I saw some no-name pump shot gun with a breach barrel and pistol grip on a full stock. It was $246. I am planning to modify my Mossberg 500 with essentially the same thing. My mods will cost close to that, but I can always put it back to its original form. Nothing like the sound of a pump action shotgun in the still of the night. It makes an unmistakable noise that should send the hood rats running.

91 posted on 09/24/2012 8:52:25 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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To: trimom

The C4E household has a Mossberg in residence too. :-)


92 posted on 09/24/2012 8:57:11 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: varmintman

Ping for later


93 posted on 09/24/2012 8:57:56 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (It's not what I do but the way I do it, it's not what I say but the way I say it. (Mae West))
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To: varmintman

Ping for later


94 posted on 09/24/2012 8:57:58 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (It's not what I do but the way I do it, it's not what I say but the way I say it. (Mae West))
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To: OldEagle

The 12 ga pump is a Chinese copy of the Ithaca 37.
$250 dollars for both.


95 posted on 09/24/2012 9:01:06 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kartographer

A nail gun? It shoots .22’s.....LOL


96 posted on 09/24/2012 9:11:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Mr. K

Wow a 420?


97 posted on 09/24/2012 9:13:19 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

"It shoots through schools."

98 posted on 09/24/2012 9:13:30 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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$250 for the pair


99 posted on 09/24/2012 9:14:57 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kartographer

For less than $1,000, you can pick up a Sig P229 in .40 cal. Holds 12+1, double/single action. No safety. Ready to rock, nail-driver accurate, reliable as it gets.

As the biker said, if you got a ten dollar head, buy a ten dollar helmet.


100 posted on 09/24/2012 9:14:57 PM PDT by glock rocks (Hey... shut the damn barn! Were you raised in a... um, wait...)
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