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Male Texas school official spanks teen girl, setting off corporal punishment gender debate
Fox News ^ | September 24, 2012 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 09/24/2012 11:18:55 PM PDT by Altariel

A Texas mother says a local school district is covering its own rear end by considering a policy change regarding corporal punishment after a male vice principal paddled her daughter so hard it left a nasty mark.

The district in Springtown, just outside of Fort Worth, allows corporal punishment, but only when doled out by a teacher or administrator of the same sex as the student. But when Taylor Santos, 15, allegedly let a classmate copy her homework, Vice Principal Kirt Shaw disciplined the girl with a large wooden paddle, which he swung with a violent, upward motion, according to the girl's mom, Anna Jorgensen.

“She was telling me it was numb and that it burned,” Jorgensen said. “And it looked like a burn. She slept on her side that night. She was more humiliated and embarrassed than anything, but the more she and I thought about it, it wasn’t fair and I thought I needed to do something about it.”

But instead of reprimanding Shaw for the cross-gender blow, the district is considering doing away with the requirement of same-sex spanking. Springtown ISD Superintendent Mike Kelley told FoxNews.com that the district’s seven-member board will consider revising the policy at a meeting Monday evening.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: childrearing; parenting; spanking; texas

1 posted on 09/24/2012 11:19:04 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel
She was more humiliated and embarrassed than anything

The 'board of education' was employed frequently when I was in school. For some, it was indeed humiliating. For others, a badge of honor.

But now her story is out, for all to see.

Isn't that more humiliating, to be national news for helping someone cheat on a test, than taking your lumps?

The plank has no respect for gender, is unmoved by it, and as such, trying to make the wielder of the device out to be some sort of pervert is crap.

2 posted on 09/24/2012 11:51:22 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Altariel

Guys had to bend forward at the waste, as did the girls...but the girls also had to pull their skirts tight across their rear, so their petticoats couldn’t overly soften the whack(s). 1957-60, 6th-8th grades.

The paddle was 3/4” varnished plywood, with rows of regularly spaced 1/2” holes drilled in it. It was inscribed, “Pray for fast legs, and a slow teacher!”

“Assume the position” had an entirely different meaning back then/there. *<];-’)


3 posted on 09/25/2012 12:23:19 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Altariel

Spare the rod, spoil the child.


4 posted on 09/25/2012 12:23:38 AM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

My 94-year old mom likes to tell the story where she and her three sisters all got in trouble. Her mom told them she was going to cut a switch off the tree and they better be presenting their bare bottoms when she got back.

Except her mom, when she entered the house with switch in hand, couldn’t control her laughter upon the sight of all 4 butts lined up as she opened the door!


5 posted on 09/25/2012 12:30:55 AM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: re_nortex

The “rod” is God’s word and it obviously was spared on this cheater.


6 posted on 09/25/2012 12:46:05 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Altariel
Wait, this non-story just gets dumber:

Anna Jorgensen told FoxNews.com her daughter initially received two days of in-school suspension for allowing another student to copy her work. When she was offered the chance to take a paddling in lieu of the second day of suspension, she submitted.

Shaw first had the girl call her mother to approve the punishment, which is required. Jorgensen said she agreed, but had no idea the whack would come from a man — or be so severe.

As you can see the problem here is genetic. The mom is as bad as the daughter.

I’m not after money,” she said when asked if she was considering legal action. “I’m after doing what’s right by the students.”

7 posted on 09/25/2012 12:59:44 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Altariel
In my day, my Father would go down to the School to render assistance to the Vice Principal with the Paddle.

He would give them tips like, bend your elbow and put your shoulder into it.

8 posted on 09/25/2012 1:05:01 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: Altariel
No grown man who is not an immediate relative has any business hitting the bottom of a teen age girl—if it were my daughter I would have kicked some ass.
Granted, parental permission was given and no sexual exceptions were mentioned but the school should have known better.
A female paddler or nonviolent sanctions are the ONLY two options...

...for God's sake, she is a 15 year old girl and there are a lot of predator perverts around ESPECIALLY in schools!

9 posted on 09/25/2012 1:35:15 AM PDT by Happy Rain
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To: Altariel
Pineapple gel approved for burns
10 posted on 09/25/2012 1:57:42 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Happy Rain
Most of your comment is well-taken. However, you are assuming set of circumstances, paddling pervert, that might not, and probably is not, in play here.

While it the duty of parents, and school staff, to be aware and protect against such elements; it does no-one any good to insert these ghosts where they are not known to be present.

I, of course, received paddle-whacks from Principals all through my elementary, Jr. High and High School edumacation. Usually deserved. My overly dramatic screams and moans were a legend - The Drama department recruited me.
(But I also got away with a lot - so I figured it was the cost of my monkey bidness...8)
11 posted on 09/25/2012 2:01:22 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Tainan
What if a policeman paddles a man's wife?

No different—it is a male authority figure assaulting the buttocks of a female loved one and real men ain't got a sense of humor about that stuff.

Besides, how long will a school stay safe when one of it's known activities is allowing grown men to paddle the bottoms of teenage girls?

Just because something happens (like what happened to you) doesn't make it right...I raised my son never never to hit a girl—with this he can come back with, “What if she is bad?”

12 posted on 09/25/2012 2:51:19 AM PDT by Happy Rain
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To: Altariel

They showed the idiot mother and her daughter on the local news. The fruitcake doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Another idiot mother who showed up at the meeting was telling the news that paddling a child was sending a message to men that it was okay to beat women in life.

Quite frankly, the simplest solution would be to expel the little princess for misbehaving. Would give the “mother” some quality time to correct the past 15+ years of raising a spoiled brat.


13 posted on 09/25/2012 3:17:52 AM PDT by peyton randolph (FUBO and his wookie beard)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Corporal punishment existed in Chicago public elementary schools in the 1940s, although perhaps not officially sanctioned. Paddles were not used but books were slammed on heads, rulers slapped on hands, ears pulled, heads held by the chin pushed against blackboards (which really were black),and occasionally, mouths washed with soap.


14 posted on 09/25/2012 4:34:00 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Tainan; Happy Rain

“... I received paddle whacks from Principals all through my ... edumacation”.

I guess I am seeing this situation with different eyes. Currently, I have a high schooler, middle schooler and elementary school child. Unfortunately, today’s teacher cannot be compared to yesterday’s teacher. For example, Tainan, what would your school have done with an alcoholic teacher? (ours offered a program after he showed up three sheets to the wind FIVE times in one month. He isn’t teaching anymore after he exposed himself and played with himself in view of a private girls school bus). What would your school have done with a married female teacher that had an affair with a Senior boy? (ours still teaches). What about the substitute that popped some sort of prescription pills for “pain” only to pass out in a middle school? (yes, she is still substituting).

My fear with corporal punishment is two-fold. Some teachers have requested suspensions for “behaviors” that are more political/personality based. For example, one teacher requested a five day suspension for my son for “disrespect”. She told his history class that American soldiers during WWII were brutal killers and he verbally didn’t agree. After our involvement, he wasn’t suspended. My biggest concern, however, is parent responsibility vs school responsibility. Spanking a child should be a parent’s job. Suspension, after school detention, loss of credit.. the school’s job. I just get a weird vibe with government employees stepping in and doing a parent’s job. I find it a bit hypocritical that a school will suspend a student if he pushes/hits another kid yet has a “paddle” ready for punishment. Note: I have spanked my kids in the past for doing something wrong. I’m not against spanking.. just someone else doing “my” job.


15 posted on 09/25/2012 5:02:41 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Altariel

Looks like it’s time for Democracy to go away. People get the kind of government they deserve.


16 posted on 09/25/2012 5:04:09 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Altariel

I didn’t comment on the other threads but in my days at school, if I’d gotten licks from a teacher or the principal, it would have been mild compared to what I would get at home.


17 posted on 09/25/2012 5:26:34 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 ("It's better to vote for a Republican you don't know than wind up with a dim you don't like".)
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To: Happy Rain
I agree with you.

In any other situation in our society, this man would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Not even police are allowed to strike a cooperating suspect.

There are plenty of ways to discipline a student w/o beating them. What happens when the child unexpectedly moves during the beating, causing the board to strike a vital area or break a bone?

But, the child beating advocates here think it is just fine for a man to beat a 15 yo girl. Where does the beating begin? High school, Middle school, elementary school, or kindergarten? Yeah, let's beat 5 year old children with a board. But then, your opinion unwanted. The AUTHORITIES make those decisions, not you.

Not only would I sue the school & file criminal charges against the man, but I would tell him if I ever got the opportunity, I would get a board & beat the hell out of him.

Remember folks, these are not the evenhanded, patient teachers & administrators you had back in school. These are the perverts & criminals who teach your kids about anal sex, “social Justice”, & how wonderful Obama is. I don't want this filth even touching my child.

There is a greater evil occurring here than just assault. Kids are being indoctrinated to the idea that authority - teachers, principals, police, & gov't officials - are immune to the laws that govern the rest of us. "I can't hit mommy, mommy can't hit daddy, daddy can't hit the neighbor, but the strange man a school can beat the hell out of me with a board". Lesson #2 is safe group sex.

For the legal minds here: How is it legal to assault a child with a board? If it is legal in school, can my boss a work beat me with a board?

The most respected, disciplined organization in this country - the military - strictly forbids superiors striking lower ranking people & violence, in general. Please criticize this policy, if you can.

18 posted on 09/25/2012 5:47:52 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: peyton randolph

So a mother who objects to a male government employee spanking her teenage daughter is an idiot?

Why do you have so much faith in government employees, especially given the sort of government employees who are in public schools nowadays?


19 posted on 09/25/2012 12:04:32 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Happy Rain

Plenty of predators perverts in schools. From news reports, a lot of them are women. And you don’t seem to be concerned that perverts with same sex attraction disorder may be administering the spankings.

Next time just give her a week’s suspension and let mama-with-a-different-name deal with her.


20 posted on 09/25/2012 3:30:57 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: a fool in paradise
Corporal punishment is the most efficacious method of child discipline and by all accounts the young lady deserved it--but not at the hands of an adult male who is not a close relative.

As far as lesbians or homosexual men spanking teens of the same sex I would be just as outraged if the sexual perversions of the adults were known...just as I would be appalled if known pedophiles were permitted to use corporal punishment on young children of any sex.

21 posted on 09/25/2012 3:53:55 PM PDT by Happy Rain
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To: Happy Rain

Much of the problem in schools seems to be from female teacher banging (and providing drugs/alcohol) to teenaged boys.

And there are sexual sadists in the TSA who’ve been exposed.

Your anger at the VP is misplaced. The culture of corruption is much more pervasive and there is no evidence that the VP got any kinky thrill from it. No body parts were exposed. His hand did not come in contact even with her clothed bottom. Mama knew and was for it before she was against it. In fact, the original punishment was non-violent.

Those who say “it’s wrong to hit a woman” are setting themselves up for the followup “it’s wrong to hit a child”. Define hit. And if some gang banging thug was female and asked for your wallet, you’d take your pistol whipping and let her walk?


22 posted on 09/25/2012 4:07:51 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: a fool in paradise
So you see nothing wrong with a strange adult male paddling the buttocks of a 15 year old girl—you can read his mind and find no prurient interest on his part?

I suppose it would be okay for men and teen girls to bath together if there is no “evidence” the men are getting any kinky thrills from it.

There is such a thing as “appearances” and eschewing a behavior that invites misconduct— and do please forgive me but I still believe in women behaving as ladies and men as gentlemen and can trace the whole history of America going to Hell from when the country abandoned those honorable conservative principles.

23 posted on 09/25/2012 4:25:11 PM PDT by Happy Rain
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To: Happy Rain

Lesbian gym coaches and principals have prurient interest in girls too.


24 posted on 09/25/2012 8:12:53 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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