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NFL supports decision to not overturn Seahawks’ touchdown
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Posted on 09/25/2012 10:45:44 AM PDT by djf

In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game.

Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.

While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

The result of the game is final.

Applicable rules to the play are as follows:

A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch:

A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).

When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.


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Straight from the horses mouth... I watched the game and am unsure about the final play. However, I AM SURE I saw two, possibly three defensive pass interferences by Green Bay in a row that were never called. I am also sure I saw Seattle get called for pass interference when the player (who was behind the receiver) was obviously reaching around the receiver and trying to knock the ball away, there was NO WAY that could be called pass interference!

We need the real refs back. The Pats game was also a travesty!

1 posted on 09/25/2012 10:45:51 AM PDT by djf
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To: djf

The Packers DB was the one most at fault. Had he slapped the ball down - as they are taught repeatedly in training camp - Green Bay would now be 2-1. You NEVER try and intercept a Hail Mary in the end zone. They are told this constantly. Even a few fellow NFL players tweeted about it last night.


2 posted on 09/25/2012 10:47:28 AM PDT by montag813
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To: djf
We need the real refs back. The Pats game was also a travesty!

I loved that game, with the crowd's awesome "B.S." and "Seven Nation Army" chants. Love that kind of raw fan behavior.

3 posted on 09/25/2012 10:49:35 AM PDT by montag813
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To: djf

I can’t stand professional football - too much flash & hype but more importantly the officiating is way too subjective. If they can’t get obvious calls right then how can there be confidence in the outcome of any game?


4 posted on 09/25/2012 10:50:02 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

the officiating is way too subjective


Basketball is worse.


5 posted on 09/25/2012 10:52:08 AM PDT by sanjuanbob
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To: montag813

I am sure the other DB in front of Tate would have made a play on it....had he not been shoved to the ground. Oh well, this could have all been avoided if the Seahawks had called their 4th and final timeout (snark).


6 posted on 09/25/2012 10:52:47 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: sanjuanbob

Which is why I like it even less.


7 posted on 09/25/2012 10:53:25 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: djf

I agree with the Zebras being a joke.
At least there will be a job for Obama and Carter.
They can both get in the NFL under the new guidelines.


8 posted on 09/25/2012 10:53:25 AM PDT by YOMO
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To: skeeter

Well, many fans in my neck of the woods are still mad about the superbowl horror.

Should Seattle have won that game? Honestly, I’m not sure, but I think we were outclassed, and the Steelers deserved to win it.

But the officiating was so in-yur-face biased, it was shameful. And at one time, I seem to recall hearing an official call into a radio show and flat out stating that it was the worst officiated game in SB history.


9 posted on 09/25/2012 10:54:35 AM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf

“We need the real refs back.”

And when the real refs come back, we will see posts like this :

“Straight from the horses mouth... I watched the game and am unsure about the final play. However, I AM SURE I saw two, possibly three defensive pass interferences by Green Bay in a row that were never called. I am also sure I saw Seattle get called for pass interference when the player (who was behind the receiver) was obviously reaching around the receiver and trying to knock the ball away, there was NO WAY that could be called pass interference!”

And

“The Pats game was also a travesty!”


10 posted on 09/25/2012 10:54:37 AM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: djf

Pictures show otherwise.

Of course the NFL will “officially” support the refs. They can’t show weakness during the lockout.


11 posted on 09/25/2012 10:55:01 AM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: djf

>>Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.<<

The DB had control and was down by contact when he hit the ground, still in full control of the ball.

The league has clearly subcontracted either Axlerod or TOTUS itself to protect the fact the refs screwed the pooch (even if it isn’t a reviewable play).

Who you gonna believe? The League or your own lyin’ eyes?


12 posted on 09/25/2012 10:55:11 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (We canÂ’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
I am sure the other DB in front of Tate would have made a play on it....had he not been shoved to the ground.

The NFL admits that was pass interference. From the camera angle it was obvious. The question is whether a ref had a good angle to see it.

13 posted on 09/25/2012 10:57:34 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: djf

Chris Mortensen’s NFL Power Rankings (@mortreport):

1. Roger Goodell
2. Replacements refs....

31. Locked out refs
32. Fans


14 posted on 09/25/2012 10:57:35 AM PDT by RabidBartender (If pigs could vote, they'd vote for the guy holding the slop bucket.)
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To: djf

The final play is the one everyone will remember, but you’re right... there were missed calls on both sides of the ball, including the Packers’ one touchdown.

I’d like to think it all comes out in the wash. Thank you to the Green Bay fans who left our stadium peacefully and didn’t try to burn down Pioneer Square. Raider fans probably would not have been as charitable. (I can say that... born and raised a Raider fan.)


15 posted on 09/25/2012 10:57:48 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Eat Mor Chikin!)
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To: djf

Anyone who thinks the Seattle Seahawks won the game have no integrity as a man.

F*** the NFL. Boycott begins now.


16 posted on 09/25/2012 10:57:49 AM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (47%, pull off the leeches in 2012!)
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To: djf

Football should be an aggravated Felony.


17 posted on 09/25/2012 10:58:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: djf

Who cares, it’s just a game for amusement purposes. If you are not amused find another hobby.


18 posted on 09/25/2012 10:58:26 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: djf

Who you gonna believe me or your lying eyes.


19 posted on 09/25/2012 10:59:13 AM PDT by McGruff (Support your local Republican candidates. They are our last line of defense.)
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To: djf
Get rid of fake refs and fake Presidents.
20 posted on 09/25/2012 11:00:14 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: djf

The best way to handle this obvious theft for the home team...most of the Rent-a-Refs are cowards and decide plays to benefit the home team...is for the fans to find something else to do on Thursdays and Sundays. Anything beats seeing trash like last nights game. Let the ratings crash and the advertisers will notice, because the only thing that gets the owners’ attention is money.

The Texans are our team, and we are wondering what penalty will be given to the Denver player whose head shot caused OB Schaub’s ear damage. If these poorly officiated games continue, players will suffer injuries that may end their season.


21 posted on 09/25/2012 11:00:46 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: djf
Used to be a huge fan, but my disenchantment with pro football began in the 90s and culminated during the 2001 playoffs and the 'tuck rule'.

Swore I'd never become invested in another pro football game as long as I lived.

22 posted on 09/25/2012 11:01:59 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

I’m convinced they tweak officiating to push games in the way that will create the most revenue.


23 posted on 09/25/2012 11:02:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sanjuanbob

>>Basketball is worse.<<

That is a VERY low bar.

Traveling:
1) Can only be called if the player gets the ball under his basket, tucks it under his arm and runs like a running back to the opposing basket with never bouncing the ball, except for rule 2 below.
2) Can not be called ever on a star player (see Appendix A)
3) Is never to be called in the Playoffs.

Foul:
1) See Appendix B for the list of players who can be fouled without calls but will always be called for a foul for touching another player (or shows intention of touching another player).


24 posted on 09/25/2012 11:03:26 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (We canÂ’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: montag813

You must not have seen this week’s Lions v Titans game. Titan DB tries to knock down a hail Mary. Detriot catches the attempt and scores.


25 posted on 09/25/2012 11:03:43 AM PDT by Oystir
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To: montag813

“Love that kind of raw fan behavior.”

You should attend a Seattle Sounders soccer match if you ever get the chance. The Emerald City Supporters will make your ears bleed. Yells and chants and songs non-stop. The rowdiness is awesome.


26 posted on 09/25/2012 11:04:00 AM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: djf
Jennings satisfied everything in Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, yet nothing applied to Jennings in Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5.

Golden Tate didn't satisfy anything in either Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 and Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3(5).

This is absurd.

"Peter King, Sports Illustrated... The inability to recognize the difference between simultaneous possession and one receiver trying to steal the ball from a defender. [...] The most telling part of the replay, if you watch closely, is that Tate's right arm, as the pile of bodies fall to the turf, flails out for a moment when Jennings has the ball, and then Tate puts his arm back in the scrum. Easley should have been able to see that."

27 posted on 09/25/2012 11:07:15 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: djf
We need the real refs back

So we can complain about their horrible calls!

28 posted on 09/25/2012 11:07:30 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: driftdiver

I suspect that as well. The leagues worst nightmare is post season play between teams in small markets.


29 posted on 09/25/2012 11:07:51 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: edh

beat me to it.


30 posted on 09/25/2012 11:09:47 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: SparkyBass
I posted the pictures of the last play sequence on another thread. They show clearly that the GB DB has clear possession with ball clutched to his chest with both arms and the Seattle thug with his arms around the GB DB and one touching the ball. That is not simultaneous possession. The replay showed an interception, not a TD, but someone was paid to end it otherwise. Someone was paid to throw that game and the NFL doesn't want to investigate it, so Green Bay is 1 and 2 to start the season and the criminal Seattle team is 2 and 1. The NFL is no longer a credible org. The entire game, both sides, was nothing more than an old fashioned brawl reminiscent of the YA Tittle years.
31 posted on 09/25/2012 11:09:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

[...] The most telling part of the replay, if you watch closely, is that Tate’s right arm, as the pile of bodies fall to the turf, flails out for a moment when Jennings has the ball, and then Tate puts his arm back in the scrum. Easley should have been able to see that.”
____________________________________________________________

Depends what your definition of “is” is.


32 posted on 09/25/2012 11:13:17 AM PDT by sanjuanbob
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To: Oystir

Got a next door neighbor that’s still mad about leaving early

from that game.Wild game for sure

Some truly sorry calls from the zebras at LP Field Sunday


33 posted on 09/25/2012 11:13:24 AM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: MHGinTN

On the plus side there might be fewer commercials this season.


34 posted on 09/25/2012 11:14:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sanjuanbob
Basically, yes. What you said.

The new trend in America is to double-down on 'fail' when it's abundantly clear to everyone else that you're wrong.

Being correct takes a back seat to being resolutely and defiantly incorrect in this new age we're in.

35 posted on 09/25/2012 11:19:59 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: djf
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36 posted on 09/25/2012 11:21:26 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: djf
What else can you expect when the NFL is hiring former referees of the Lingerie Football League to officiate? Seriously! These poor refs are there for a good time, not a long time and there is no better way to have a good time than to have some cash in your pocket which some of them are obviously taking advantage of.

That’s because for every $10 spent betting on the favorite to win, $1 is spent on the dog. Last night the Dog won and the good fellows back in Roger Goodell’s home state of New Jersey made a bundle. Just like they did when the Patriots lost in week 2, and like they did when the Saints lost in weeks 1 & 3… You see, it’s highly unusual for the favorite of the week to lose 3 weeks in a row, but that is exactly what has occurred this season. Expect that to continue, except for this week of course. To make it look legit you can expect a lot of favs to win this weekend. You wouldn't’t want to make it look too obvious – Right Roger?

37 posted on 09/25/2012 11:22:10 AM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight
F*** the NFL. Boycott begins now.

The best "Tweet" of the night goes to Bubba Watson:

"Watch the Ryder Cup this weekend! We don't have refs."

38 posted on 09/25/2012 11:22:39 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: frogjerk
We need the real refs back

So we can complain about their horrible calls!

IMHO, they make a whole lot fewer bad calls than these replacement refs do.

39 posted on 09/25/2012 11:25:45 AM PDT by Bob
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To: djf
I watched the game and am unsure about the final play. However, I AM SURE I saw two, possibly three defensive pass interferences by Green Bay in a row that were never called. I am also sure I saw Seattle get called for pass interference when the player (who was behind the receiver) was obviously reaching around the receiver and trying to knock the ball away, there was NO WAY that could be called pass interference!

It was an officiating mess all around... Flat out painful to watch. The final call was a joke, and the icing on the cake for a game that was completely screwed up by piss poor officiating. Who knows how it would have turned out had the officiating been done with a more normal level of arguable calls - but that is why they play the games, and what I wanted to watch.

I'm a Packers fan, and I never expected the NFL to overturn the results of the game. If they did that for this game, there have been plenty of other royally screwed up games also.

That said - when the NFL to put out that crock of $#!% statement it was nothing more than spitting in the face of any real football fan. I love football, but won't be watching any NFL games until they get this sorted out. Way too painful to watch regardless of who is playing.

Will need to DVR an couple extra CFB games in case I need a football fix on Sunday afternoon...

40 posted on 09/25/2012 11:25:49 AM PDT by !1776!
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

This season is, as far as I am concerned, over.

***’s in the record book for 2012.

I would rather was “Heidi” than the rest of this season.


41 posted on 09/25/2012 11:27:11 AM PDT by grayeagle
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To: !1776!

I’ll just keep it on Fox Soccer Channel this Sunday, I am beginning to follow the English Premier League now even more than the NFL.


42 posted on 09/25/2012 11:27:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: djf

get rid of all refs. backyard/ playground/ sandlot rules.

those games i’d watch.


43 posted on 09/25/2012 11:28:07 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: montag813

Tell that to the Titans who knocked the ball down on the Hail Mary attempt against the Lions this weekend...


44 posted on 09/25/2012 11:30:09 AM PDT by MNlurker
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To: djf

The NFL is a JOKE right now! However, I know they are growing their market share with this fiasco. This is such a travesty because in this case MONEY rules on both sides and it’s completely ruining the integrity of the game!


45 posted on 09/25/2012 11:30:59 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: djf

It’s juuust a game.


46 posted on 09/25/2012 11:31:06 AM PDT by BuddaBudd (F U B O)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

Nonsense. Get over it Brett.


47 posted on 09/25/2012 11:31:09 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: djf
We need the real refs back. The Pats game was also a travesty!

The refs had little to do with the Pats loss. Their defense couldn't stop Betty White by the end of the game.
48 posted on 09/25/2012 11:31:37 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: txrefugee

I watched the game. In a Raiders-Stealers game, Franco Harris caught the “Immaculate Reception.” One of the referees said afterwards, “We asked the ground crew about security and upon being told there wasn’t any, we signaled fair catch.”

I had the same feeling last night, there was about a 3 second break between the words “We have reviewed the play.” and “It was a touchdown.”

The Seahawks fans were screaming. Could you image the rage if the decision would’ve been “Interception”?


49 posted on 09/25/2012 11:32:21 AM PDT by jayrunner
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To: frogjerk

Ah yes, the Jeffrey Maier incident. Damn Yankees.


50 posted on 09/25/2012 11:33:16 AM PDT by GnL
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