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What Are the Real Refs and the NFL Actually Fighting About? Here’s What You Need to Know
The Blaze ^ | 9/26/12 | Becket Adams

Posted on 09/26/2012 5:31:52 AM PDT by mazda77

[snip]Simply put, most of this dispute comes down to the NFLRA opposing the NFL’s attempts to make refs contribute to their own pensions.[snip]

[snip]Of course, there are other, less contentious issues being negotiated: the NFLRA wants the NLF to increase the $18.6 million it currently splits among its 121 referees. The NFL will only go as high as $19 million. Also, the NFL wants to hire more refs and make the ones they have full-time employees.

Wait, wait, wait! Professional NFL refs are part-time employees?

Yup. In fact, a lot of them work other jobs in the offseason. This means that along with the $150,000 they make annually for officiating games, most NFL refs also have a second source of income. And that’s not all: NFL officials work an average 20-25 hours week (not including travel).

However, it’s important to note that NFL refs are paid by the game.

“If an official misses a few games because of a few bad calls, that can cut into compensation. And the NFLRA, like the Chicago Teachers Union, doesn’t want its members’ compensation subject to performance reviews,” Bloomberg Businessweek weeks notes.[snip]

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There ya have it folks. No wonder the NFLRA is being REAL quiet about the issues of this. I made the point yesterday on a related thread that Rush somewhat repeated in that the NFL games will get boring after this kerfuffle is over. Just think about it, it is getting closer to Australian Rules Football with each passing week and I really miss AF since ESPN was bought out by ABC years ago. More fun than a barrel of greased monkeys!
1 posted on 09/26/2012 5:31:55 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77
NFL officials work an average 20-25 hours week (not including travel).

WTF? They average $153,719 annually for a part-time seasonal job.

Who do they think they are? Members of congress?

2 posted on 09/26/2012 5:38:39 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: mazda77; All

Any chance that these temp refs are intentionally blowing key calls? That they’re in cahoots and on the take with the regulars in order to push a settlement.


3 posted on 09/26/2012 5:41:28 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

It is more likely some of them are in cahoots with someone in Las Vegas.


4 posted on 09/26/2012 5:43:35 AM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: Vigilanteman

Another gift horse in the mouth moment. Ungreatful pigs, those refs can stay out. Football is better when they are not throwing games to the big boys. These refs today are there cause they want to be not because its a job.

I think there should be no players union either. There should be more of your not performing you are released. I would love tickets to be priced based on the historical performance of the team. The players should get paid per catch tackle or blocked pass.

Merit pay all the way around.


5 posted on 09/26/2012 5:44:00 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: The Free Engineer
"It is more likely some of them are in cahoots with someone in Las Vegas."

The nooze reported that 300 MILLION dollars changed hands as a result of the Monday night call.

6 posted on 09/26/2012 5:46:18 AM PDT by Tula Git
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To: Vigilanteman
What is missing in all of this is the labor market breakdown. How many college officials exist and would they do the same job for the NFL for half the price? Who officially rates an NFL referees' competence? Who says a college official would be worse? I watched the controversial play and it could have gone either way. If I made 150 large for less than 100 hours work, the last thing I would do is go on strike!
I say FIRE THEM!
7 posted on 09/26/2012 5:46:55 AM PDT by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: mazda77

Actually no, that bit is not entirely accurate. Some if not all NFL refs actually work their other job during off days DURING THE SEASON, not just in the off season. Some are high school principles, insurance salesmen and jobs like that. Or at least this was true in the very recent past.


8 posted on 09/26/2012 5:47:51 AM PDT by JLS
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To: ETL
Any chance that these temp refs are intentionally blowing key calls? That they’re in cahoots and on the take with the regulars in order to push a settlement.

Very likely, since, many of those replacement referees have hopes of moving up to become regular referees in the NFL.

They need to make and keep friends amongst the current ranks of the regular referees, besides insuring that they will be getting more when they join the regulars.
9 posted on 09/26/2012 5:48:48 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Baseballguy
"I would love tickets to be priced based on the historical performance of the team."

Bad plan. That would make the team get progressively worse because the economics would not allow hiring better players. So essentially, only one team would be left. Some sport that is. Let the ticket prices be exactly what the market will support to fill up a stadium and that would get rid of the blackout rule.

If they can't make it with simple market economics, then get on the Baltimore Colts bus and look for a new town. And for God's sakes, keep the taxpayer out of incentives and payoffs and new fancy stadiums.

10 posted on 09/26/2012 5:53:28 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: JLS

I was just showing what the story noted. Yesterday I mentioned from my recollection, that some are engineers and other professional trades and operating their own consulting businesses essentially allowing them to make their own schedule.

I know from experience. I have my own engineering consulting firm and I also operate as a data acquisition analyst for professional racing teams. I could not do the data stuff if I were working for someone else, but since I create my own schedule including weekends and nights, it allows me the fun job of being intimately involved in the racing. Both of which derive revenue.


11 posted on 09/26/2012 5:58:26 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Who do they think they are? Members of congress?

Chicago teachers............

12 posted on 09/26/2012 5:59:04 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Vote for Paul Ryan 2012...... oh, and that other guy running on his ticket that's not Obama.)
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To: ETL

There used to be vicious complaints about calls the spoiled rotten entitled 121 “regulars” made too. These people deserve to be permanently fired. Everybody in this stinking economy needs to know they can be replaced.


13 posted on 09/26/2012 6:01:44 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tula Git
...and it sounds like both sides have hunkered down into their positions.

I don't know about the refs but it looks like the owners are prepared to ride this season out as is.

14 posted on 09/26/2012 6:01:51 AM PDT by Tula Git
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To: mazda77; JLS

BTW, I did do the data stuff while working for someone else. I had worked at that place long enough to receive 4 weeks of vacation per year. I took all of my vacation days one or two at a time to do the racing stuff and hone my skills enough on both ends to go on my own.


15 posted on 09/26/2012 6:01:56 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: mazda77

On Fox & Friends this morning, it was stated that they wanted to keep their pension plan, and not change to a 401K plan....if that is true....

In all honesty- I don’t blame them....I would have more faith in my future retirement checks coming from the NFL instead of depending on those checks depending upon the future of our stock market.....

I fear our 401K will be devastated by the way the FED and our gov’t are handling the dollar.......

these refs are NOT gov’t employees....they are not paid with money forcefully taken from my paycheck or at a register when I make a purchase......


16 posted on 09/26/2012 6:04:29 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: gr8eman
the last thing I would do is go on strike!

As I understand it, they didn't go on strike, they were locked out.

I have no problem with the league firing the whole bunch but I didn't realize until this article how low they had gone to get replacements.

17 posted on 09/26/2012 6:07:52 AM PDT by Tula Git
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To: Tula Git

I dont have a problem with the “bad call” from that game

When thjey hit the ground both players had their hands on the ball- a SIMULTANEOUS CATCH

In a simultaneous catch it goes to the offense

Yes, this was right on the edge of being a simultaneous catch-but the defense did not clearly have sole possesion

So, it was a correct call

The defense should be more away and have batted it out of bounds

As for missing the pass interferance on the same play - in a “Hail Mary” pass there is a LOT going on, that just happens


18 posted on 09/26/2012 6:09:07 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: mazda77

Hey, this season buying your team colors will be a snap! Just order black and white! Nobody else is playing any reindeer games!
All fans of real football should just start buying and wearing black and white!!!!!


19 posted on 09/26/2012 6:10:01 AM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: eeevil conservative

Entitlement is entitlement, whether it is by way of government or by the free market. I am entitled to nothing from anybody and it is high time that people begin to realize that in their own regard. I say fire them and let the replacements hone their skills to a new level while accepting whatever it is the NFL feels it is in their resources to offer.

With that said, the NFL also has to play under as do the networks and down to the advertisers considering the same free market rules. Sure the NFL thinks it has a monopoly on professional football but they can screw the pooch just as anyone and soon be playing second fiddle to the SEC if they disregard the end game, the customer.


20 posted on 09/26/2012 6:12:11 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Mobilemitter

So, we’re all Raiders ;-)


21 posted on 09/26/2012 6:13:06 AM PDT by Tula Git
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To: mazda77
networks and down to the advertisers considering the same free market rules.

I'm amazed that any advertiser would want his product associated with this farce.

but they can screw the pooch just as anyone and soon be playing second fiddle to the SEC if they disregard the end game, the customer.

Soooo true.

22 posted on 09/26/2012 6:16:25 AM PDT by Tula Git
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To: mazda77
networks and down to the advertisers considering the same free market rules.

I'm amazed that any advertiser would want his product associated with this farce.

but they can screw the pooch just as anyone and soon be playing second fiddle to the SEC if they disregard the end game, the customer.

Soooo true.

23 posted on 09/26/2012 6:18:32 AM PDT by Tula Git
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To: Tula Git

Offensive Interference. Game over.


24 posted on 09/26/2012 6:21:44 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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yes...that too. That call was obvious but not made.

Wonder why?

25 posted on 09/26/2012 6:25:09 AM PDT by Tula Git
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To: mazda77
I saw a replacement ref blow a coin toss once...oh wait, that was a "real" ref.

To heck with the NFLRA, I don't miss them.

Just watching the MSM (ie Shep Smith) screaming about what a crisis this is convinces me even more to hope the owners ride it out.

Professional football referee is not an occupation that needs to be unionized...ever.

If they like their jobs, they should cross the line and become "replacements" themselves.

I remember the NFL cracking the union years ago by using replacement PLAYERS. I certainly have no problem with them doing it with referees.
26 posted on 09/26/2012 6:30:06 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mazda77

RIght, I knew I was commenting on the story, not what you were reporting. Of course a job is worth what it is worth no matter how many other jobs someone might choose to have. It is a bit odd that part time employees have pension issues to strike over.


27 posted on 09/26/2012 6:32:48 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Mr. K
Mr. K, I usually italicize the parts of a post I agree with, but in this case, I'd simply be repasting your entire post.

I agree with everything you say. People act like this was the first time a game was ever decided by what they think was a blown call.

I was in the dawg pound during "bottlegate", these things happen.
28 posted on 09/26/2012 6:41:13 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: eeevil conservative
I would have more faith in my future retirement checks coming from the NFL instead of depending on those checks depending upon the future of our stock market.....

I hate to break it to you but even private pension plans are invested in the stock market. It's not like the NFL keeps pension money in a "lock box"
29 posted on 09/26/2012 6:45:58 AM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: mazda77
Just think about it, it is getting closer to Australian Rules Football with each passing week...

Aussie football is a great spectator sport once you get the concepts down; I'd like to see more of it!

30 posted on 09/26/2012 6:54:35 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: All
bottlegate video


31 posted on 09/26/2012 6:55:29 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mazda77
More fun than a barrel of greased monkeys!

CODE WORD ALERT! CODE WORD ALERT! CODE WORD ALERT!

MONKEYS = RACIST! MONKEYS = RACIST!
MONKEYS = REALLY, REALLY RACIST!

32 posted on 09/26/2012 6:58:29 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: mmichaels1970

Good point. At least the replacements are not that bad.


33 posted on 09/26/2012 7:18:06 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Vigilanteman

Work and elected officials don’t go together.


34 posted on 09/26/2012 8:02:06 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: mazda77

The owner is the responsible party not the fan. Why not have a football team in every city?

The real issue is that there is a belief that football means something?


35 posted on 09/26/2012 8:34:17 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: JimRed

At first, I thought you were going to alert the G word! LOL


36 posted on 09/26/2012 10:10:11 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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At first, I thought you were going to alert the G word! LOL

That one counts if it is ended with an "R"!

37 posted on 09/26/2012 10:29:26 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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