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Hitachi claims glass data storage will last millions of years
The Register ^ | 24th September 2012 19:21 GMT | Iain Thomson in San Francisco

Posted on 09/26/2012 6:42:48 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hitachi is showing off a storage system using quartz glass that it claims will retain data for hundred of millions of years.

Company researchers displayed the storage unit, consisting of a sliver of glass 2cm square and 2mm thick, which can hold 40MB of data per square inch, about the same as a standard CD. The data is written in binary format by lasering dots on the glass in four layers, but the researchers say adding more layers to increase storage density isn't a problem.

"The volume of data being created every day is exploding, but in terms of keeping it for later generations, we haven't necessarily improved since the days we inscribed things on stones," Hitachi researcher Kazuyoshi Torii told AFP. "The possibility of losing information may actually have increased," he said, pointing out that CDs and tape storage are predicted to last less than a few decades at best, and in many cases fail within years.

The glass has been shown to retain its data undamaged after being heated to 1,000° Celsius (1,832° Fahrenheit) for over two hours, and is impervious to radiation, water, and most forms of chemicals. Hitachi said the data could conceivably be retrievable hundreds of millions of years in the future.

"We believe data will survive unless this hard glass is broken," said senior researcher Takao Watanabe.

Hitachi glass storage

Indefinite storage – just don't drop it

Storing the data is one thing, but reading it is quite another. The researchers say, however, that as it is stored in a simple binary format, actually retrieving the data should be possible for future civilizations as the dots can be read using a simple microscope.

The problem of writing and reading future storage mediums isn't new. NASA's golden record, a disc containing images and sounds from Earth that went out with the Voyager 1 and 2 probes, was shipped with a stylus and cartridge, along with pictorial references showing how to play it and a cover showing Earth's location.

Voyager disc

The cover of Voyager's golden record, showing where to find mankind

Aliens reading our data might seem inconceivable, but if the glass storage really does last for a hundred million years, it's possible that mankind may not be around to read it either. A paper by Cornell University suggests the average lifespan of a species on Earth is around 10 million years, and given the way humans are fouling their own nest it could be up to the whatever evolves from bees, ants, or dolphins to figure out what these glass things are. ®



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: datastore; hitech

1 posted on 09/26/2012 6:42:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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ASCII code system got lost along the way...

The system used will be chosen for being straightforward, one assumes. Even if it isn't, future archaeologists should be able to decipher it by looking for patterns in the data.

It seems to me that the harder challenge is flagging these plates as actually containing information. You can hardly expect READ.ME to stay unchanged for millennia.

2 posted on 09/26/2012 6:47:02 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...and given the way humans are fouling their own nest it could be up to the whatever evolves from bees, ants, or dolphins to figure out what these glass things are.

Thye just couldn't resist throwing that in there, could they.

So pathetic.

3 posted on 09/26/2012 6:47:22 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

fyi


4 posted on 09/26/2012 6:48:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh great, now Lady Gaga music will exist for a millennium.


5 posted on 09/26/2012 6:48:42 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: Thorliveshere

And, all those tweets and FB posts..


6 posted on 09/26/2012 6:51:17 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have a feeling that in 4 million years our descendants will all agree that my .mp3 of Vanilla Ice still stinks. But maybe they can finally settle the argument of whether adding one beat to a Queen song really makes a new song, or if Vanilla Ice was just ripping Queen off.
But seriously, what vanity leads us to believe that the obscene amount of data we create is anything but worthless. In 4 million years humanity will have to try to find the useful data hidden between vapid Twitter posts and Facebook pictures that people take of themselves with their own phones.


7 posted on 09/26/2012 6:51:42 AM PDT by pie_eater
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A nice shiny thing for a pendant... (Re: ASCII code system got lost along the way...)

" flagging these plates as actually containing information"

Yes, that is probably the biggest problem if the technical knowledge falls down to medieval level even briefly. These, like the surviving CD/DVD/Blueray disks make good material for jewellery... and magnetic tapes would get woven into fabrics.

But if one is optimist, the readme problem could be solved by carving a binary->ASCII table on stones left near the archives of these glass records. These last thousands of years unless deliberately destroyed. A small pictorial dictionary could also be provided the same way, to help make some sense of the words after some microscope-wielding future archeologist has managed to transcribe dots into letters.

8 posted on 09/26/2012 6:52:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: unixfox

They really hate God don’t they? Ironic that the One who releases this type of knowledge to man is so utterly scorned.


9 posted on 09/26/2012 6:54:16 AM PDT by Obadiah (The 2008 crisis is long over. The crisis now is Obama's non-recovery.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Millions of years?

Prove it!


10 posted on 09/26/2012 6:55:45 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: pie_eater; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle
I was just thinking....we need to begin immediately to buid a large pyramid in the deserts of America with a really large reading room stock with history of our civilazation etched on Glass,,,,,and have instructions for later folks to read it.

And of course we need every complete thread from FR on the GGG keywordlist in their entirety.

11 posted on 09/26/2012 6:59:29 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: pie_eater
But seriously, what vanity leads us to believe that the obscene amount of data we create is anything but worthless. In 4 million years humanity will have to try to find the useful data hidden between vapid Twitter posts and Facebook pictures that people take of themselves with their own phones.

I have black and white photos of my great grandparents from 100 years ago that are still sharp, and which I keep around from a sense of history. Color photos from even 20 years ago have started to fade, however, and VHS tape has a limited lifetime.

While most stuff we produce is dreck, there ARE things I would like to be able to preserve for posterity: high-resolution images of great works of art, certain movies, certain music. Plus images and videos of my family growing up.

12 posted on 09/26/2012 7:11:08 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: pie_eater

But, in 100 years will you descendants be able to view the images on a DVD you made?

The answer is no, because the silver DVDs most people use to archive pictures/movies/etc to will deteriorate before then. Even the expensive “gold” DVDs will be at best marginal at that point.

I’d love to have images/video-recordings/writings of my ancestors, but the media has deteriorated over time to the point that most of it was lost.

I’d also love to leave a record so that 100, 200, or even 500 years from now one of my ancestors can look back and get an idea of who their ancestors were.

I see a real market for this—and not just for legal/business documents—but for personal records.


13 posted on 09/26/2012 7:13:44 AM PDT by Brookhaven (The Democratic Party has become the Beclowning Party)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Imagine all of the Cheese, Moose, Stuned Beeber, Thailand, flame wars, and “am I logged in” threads that can now almost last forever.
14 posted on 09/26/2012 7:15:34 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“which can hold 40MB of data per square inch, about the same as a standard CD”

Why not really impress us and compare it to an 8” floppy?


15 posted on 09/26/2012 7:29:45 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Photobucket
16 posted on 09/26/2012 7:30:01 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

-—— and given the way humans are fouling their own nest ———

Save the environment. Stop printing newspapers!


17 posted on 09/26/2012 7:35:15 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Oh goodie, one hit wonders like this will still be around a million years from now ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBn2ux5vRHk

18 posted on 09/26/2012 7:39:49 AM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: Brookhaven
One ancestor had a marble bust from life prepared back in the 1400s. His father in law did self-portraits ~ as well as 10,000 other miniatures of people and events around him.

We know this because they survived that long ~ this sounds like a way to popularize the method!

19 posted on 09/26/2012 7:42:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PhiloBedo

yep


20 posted on 09/26/2012 7:44:19 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It seems to me that the harder challenge is flagging these plates as actually containing information. You can hardly expect READ.ME to stay unchanged for millennia.

Back in 80's I read paper on a similar topic, basically, how to identify something for the far future.

What needed to be identified - long life radio active waste sites. Some material have a really, really long half-life.

21 posted on 09/26/2012 7:55:07 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

LOL!!


22 posted on 09/26/2012 7:59:33 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: taildragger

Well I thought the ad was good....


23 posted on 09/26/2012 8:02:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: NativeSon
Back in 80's I read paper on a similar topic, basically, how to identify something for the far future.

Put it on the moon with a big magnetic field pointing to it.

24 posted on 09/26/2012 8:25:44 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
that’ll surely keep people away
25 posted on 09/26/2012 8:38:28 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Brookhaven

“But, in 100 years will you descendants be able to view the images on a DVD you made?

The answer is no, because the silver DVDs most people use to archive pictures/movies/etc to will deteriorate before then. Even the expensive “gold” DVDs will be at best marginal at that point.”

They will if they use this media instead:
http://millenniata.com/


26 posted on 09/26/2012 9:06:34 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It seems that once again, Sci-fi is acting as the R & D division for modern IT.


27 posted on 09/26/2012 10:33:48 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: Road Glide
Thanks....at newegg:

Millenniata GIFT - M-DISC Single Promotional Pack

Looks like LG makes a Writer that can burn to the disc:

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Engrave only on LG Drives with M-DISC logo and M-WRITER Drives

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Found this:

3D Blu-ray Disc Playback & M-DISC Support

28 posted on 09/26/2012 11:21:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; Marine_Uncle; SierraWasp; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie
From the Details at Newegg...see my post just above.

***************************NEWEGG Detail on LG external drive*****************************

3D Blu-ray Disc Playback & M-DISC Support>

Enter a world of entertainment that rivals reality as you playback stunning 3D Blu-ray discs. Blu-ray Disc is the next generation in optical storage, offering 25GB and 50GB of storage capacity on a disc. Compared to other recordable DVDs on the market today, MDISC offers superior reliability in data storage that provides the permanent optical data storage solution.

29 posted on 09/26/2012 11:37:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"...we need to begin immediately to buid a large pyramid in..."
Will hammers be permitted in the pyramid? :}
30 posted on 09/26/2012 11:49:22 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Not in the Archive room.


31 posted on 09/26/2012 12:07:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Road Glide

Physical engraving is a great thing, but I have serious doubts about the longevity of the polycarbonate base. For example, I started buying premium Telarc audio CD’s in 1985. They have been stored in cabinets away from light and where the room temperature never exceeds 75 degrees F. Yet, several have completely cracked, radially, from rim to spindle hole while sitting securely in their cases. I would have more confidence in the archival qualities of glass-substrate disks — just don’t drop them!


32 posted on 09/26/2012 12:14:58 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Not in the Archive room."
First a LOL, then a ROLF.
33 posted on 09/26/2012 5:26:48 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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