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George Zimmerman judge schedules hearing on Trayvon's school records
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | September 25, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 09/26/2012 7:46:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

A Sanford judge has set an Oct. 19 hearing so that George Zimmerman's lawyer and prosecutors can argue over what to do about Trayvon Martin's school records.

Trayvon is the unarmed black 17-year-old whom Zimmerman fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford.

Earlier this month defense attorney Mark O'Mara issued subpoenas for the school records, making clear that he wants to look at Trayvon's disciplinary records, attendance, test scores and other information.

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda accused O'Mara of trying to start a media feeding frenzy – he used the phrase "chum the waters" – with that request.

Trayvon's school records have become a contentious issue because police reported that he was in Sanford the night he was shot – and not in high school in Miami-Dade – because he'd been suspended for 10 days after officials found him with an empty marijuana baggie.

Prosecutors have charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder. He says he acted in self-defense after Trayvon attacked him.

De la Rionda does not oppose the subpoena for Trayvon's school records, he wrote in court paperwork filed, but he doesn't want the information made public.

He asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to seal whatever they reveal.

De la Rionda also asked the judge to make O'Mara file all future subpoenas under seal, to review each one in secret and decide whether it should be issued and then to evaluate in secret the information it produces and decide whether that information should be kept from the public.

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Tuco Benedicto Ramirez at 9:27 AM September 26, 2012:

When is the state going to release the tower ping logs for the cell phones, Trayvon's and DD's, plus the T-mobile "with heart sticker" phone found at the scene? All the prosecution released so far are paper phone records. The tower ping logs were released in the Casey Anthoney case, and can be found on google. Why not release the tower ping logs for this case?

1 posted on 09/26/2012 7:46:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda accused O'Mara of trying to start a media feeding frenzy – he used the phrase "chum the waters" – with that request.

In other words this prosecutor knows that the kid's past was dirty and that the revelation of that past along with the photo of Zimmerman's bloody head will mean "not guilty" after 1 hour of deliberation.However,if Osama Obama is reelected it goes without saying that a "not guilty" in state court won't be the end of Zimmerman's problems...by a long shot.

2 posted on 09/26/2012 7:57:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I also thought I had heard that there had been various break ins in that neighborhood since Trayvon came to town. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was casing the neighborhood on his little stroll


3 posted on 09/26/2012 8:01:01 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Gay State Conservative
In other words this prosecutor knows that the kid's past was dirty

I don't know how the prosecutor would get that idea???

the defense did subpoena all his awards as well :)

4 posted on 09/26/2012 8:08:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

:: Trayvon is the unarmed black 17-year-old whom Zimmerman fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford. ::

The FLA media is *still* hiding Z’s ethicity in an attempt to make the sheeple it was a white guy shooting an unarmed black kid.

Why isn’t Z described in the same manner? ...a 28-year-old hispanic.


5 posted on 09/26/2012 8:29:06 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: chae

That is a correlation borne of pure speculation.

It would be better to think that (altho, still uncorraborated from facts) Trayvon was simply walking down a “purple drank” high.


6 posted on 09/26/2012 8:30:58 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Uncle Chip
“Trayvon is the unarmed black 17-year-old whom Zimmerman fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford.”

No bias in that sentence! /S/

7 posted on 09/26/2012 8:31:58 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
I'm just as interested in the "unarmed" word that always shows up in these articles.

Fists are weapons in the hands of someone who knows how to use them -- as is a can of juice and a nearby sidewalk.

8 posted on 09/26/2012 8:38:28 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

This from further commenters to the article:

Wizard8 at 4:10 AM September 26, 2012

There should not even be a trial if the ping logs do not reconcile with the prosecution theory of the State as set forth in the probable cause affidavit. If those ping logs tell a different story from what the State has alleged, then the entire case should be summarily dismissed. Then Zimmerman should sue for malicious prosecution and false arrest as well as suing every media propagandist and unethical attorney who has libeled him. Congresswoman Pink Cowboy Hat should be at the top of the list of defendants named in a federal lawsuit.

Wizard8 at 3:35 AM September 26, 2012

Ping logs for the cell phone found at the scene near the decedent could provide GPS location tracking data for that phone to within a radius of 10 meters and real time call history accurate to the second for conversations. Such forensic evidence is conclusive and accurate. Likewise the ping logs will show the same information for Zimmerman’s phone. Conclusive forensic evidence of this nature could dispel unsubstantiated and dubious theories regarding the events which occurred. So why has it not been a priority business that a forensic report by a certified forensic expert be forthcoming concerning the ping logs when the State AG Pam Bondi promised that not a stone would be left unturned in the State’s investigation of the death of Trayvon Martin ? Clearly for many good obvious reasons the forensic evidence related to the cell phone ping logs should have been a focus of the early investigation in March and yet 6 months later there is still nothing made public about the cell phone ping logs. It is very suspicious why a key forensic evidence report has remained undisclosed. The absence of disclosure causes reasonable belief that the forensic evidence report has been suppressed because it may disclose there is no factual evidentiary basis for the State’s case. Investigative reporters should investigate this and report what is discovered.

DevilsAdvocate1 at 4:46 AM September 26, 2012

You sure you want to pin your hopes on a method tracking that has that decree of inaccuracy? We know they were both in the vicinty of that cut through. Once you start talking margins of error down to 30 feet, that would be.... 2826 square feet. That would be a combined margin of error, between Zim AND Trayvon of about 5652 square feet, which would be... well, lets just say it would still be a lot of ground to verify.

Wizard8 at 5:40 AM September 26, 2012

@DevilsAdvocate1 Ping log times are accurate to the second and verify connectivity better than phone bills rounded to minutes which may also have billing errors and require confirmation also with the MAC address in the phone that is the hardware ID code that is like that phones digital DNA. The GPS location data could show that Trayvon eluded surveillance by Zimmerman and first made it home safely, while Zimmerman was at the other end of that row of townhomes. The GPS data may confirm conclusively by forensic evidence aspects of the State’s prosecution theory. Or in the alternative the forensic evidence may show the State’s allegations have no factual basis. Anyone who is interested in the actual truth of what did occur is going to look at those ping logs. There is no avoiding that reckoning. So why is such a key forensic evidence report not disclosed ? Maybe people don’t want the truth so any forensic evidence that may reveal the truth is avoided or concealed. It isn’t about square feet involving the location so much as it is the proximity, distance apart and times associated with those phones accurate to the second. That information is not confidential in terms of violating the privacy of the persons involved as their identities are already known. It is precision about the times and locations that is needed for advancing a provable theory about what occurred.


9 posted on 09/26/2012 8:41:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Trayvon is the unarmed black 17-year-old [ASSAILANT] whom Zimmerman fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford.

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....minor editorial correction for factual accuracy....

10 posted on 09/26/2012 8:46:40 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Persecution lawyer De la Rionda is requesting secrecy. Looks like this legal midget wants a return to the Spanish Inquisition and the English Star Courts.

Despicable, Mr. Persecution Lawyer, totally despicable!


11 posted on 09/26/2012 8:54:03 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Wings-n-Wind
Trayvon is the unarmed black 17-year-old [ASSAILANT] whom Zimmerman fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford.

I think the "black 17 year old" part can be left there as it adds to the facts and accuracy not in dispute.

As far as "assailant": the Martin family are no longer disputing that the fact that at the time of his death Trayvon was assailing Zimmerman.

His step mother Alicia Martin on Dr Phil claimed that Zimmerman didn't try hard enough to push the assailing Trayvon off of him. She never disputed the assailing part.

12 posted on 09/26/2012 9:06:41 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
I forgot my sarc tag....

I saw the Dr. Phil show episode by coincidence...
... I thought Dr. Phil was the biggest lying criminal on the set that day....

jmho.... hagd....

13 posted on 09/26/2012 9:41:48 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Uncle Chip

My husband was way stronger than his sons...until they became six foot tall young men into varsity sports. (However, he’s meaner than they could ever dream of being, so it all evens out. LOL).

This is just to say, Zimmerman was probably not as strong as Martin. In addition, Martin was bigger than him and practiced his street fighting hobby “knock out king.” All these claims that Martin was an innocent “child” at the mercy of a stronger “adult” are bs. My sons, at high school age, could not be confused with “children.”


14 posted on 09/26/2012 9:45:33 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Wings-n-Wind
I saw the Dr. Phil show episode by coincidence...I thought Dr. Phil was the biggest lying criminal on the set that day....

You mean Dr "take responsibility for your own actions" Phil who kept referring to the 17 year old teenage assailant as a "child" who shouldn't be held accountable for his actions??

15 posted on 09/26/2012 9:56:42 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SaraJohnson

Here is an “unarmed” 17 year old who killed a man with one punch and has been indicted:

“A 17-year-old Sauk Rapids boy was charged Tuesday with one count each of second-degree murder, first-degree manslaughter and first-degree assault in connection with the death of a man punched once in an alley Thursday night in south St. Cloud.”

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012309250026&adjusted=1

Someone needs to tell the MSM and Whorlando Slantinel that “unarmed” 17 year olds can kill with their fists.


16 posted on 09/26/2012 10:12:13 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I believe he went to my alma mater, North Miami Beach Senior High....”Home of the Chargers”. I graduated class of ‘79.

We didn’t need any metal detectors back then. It was an integrated school, but very safe, no trouble at all.

Some Black students were bused in from other neighborhoods, and some Blacks lived nearby in the Washington Park area. The school had to have been at least 60% Jewish, a mix of middle and upper middle class, along with some Southerners (from Ives Estates), Cubans, and Italian New Yorkers.

It was one of those ugly modern schools with no windows (except in the teachers lounge, of course) to save on air conditioning bills. The 163rd St. shopping center was right across the street, one the premier outdoor malls in the country when it was built in the late ‘50s.

I think that homeless Miami face eater went there too. You can’t make this stuff up!


17 posted on 09/26/2012 10:18:16 AM PDT by The Fop (Excuse me while I clean the saliva out of my racist dog whistle)
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To: Uncle Chip

Sincere thanks, Chip, for staying on top of this.


18 posted on 09/26/2012 10:27:12 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Uncle Chip

Exactly.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 10:48:05 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Uncle Chip
Fists are weapons in the hands of someone who knows how to use them -- as is a can of juice and a nearby sidewalk.

Oh come on. You are seriously parsing for effect. Unarmed is a perfectly useful word that means not carrying a weapon. Expand the definition of armed to fists, feet, and elbows, then we lose a perfectly good word, as everyone would always be armed to one degree or another. Even quadriplegics can potentially bite.

20 posted on 09/26/2012 12:02:09 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
Oh come on. You are seriously parsing for effect. Unarmed is a perfectly useful word that means not carrying a weapon.

The OS has more evidence that he was the "assailant" that night than they do that he was "unarmed". He may have used the can of juice or cell phone as weapons -- if so, was he really "unarmed" then???

However if the OS is going to say that he was "unarmed", then include the fact that he was also the "assailant" -- the "unarmed assailant".

Is there something wrong with that??? Ohh yeh -- it doesn't fit the biased narrative.

21 posted on 09/26/2012 12:28:01 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SaraJohnson

And there is this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2934768/posts?page=1

http://www.change.org/petitions/houston-police-department-and-the-texas-state-attorney-s-office-immediately-arrest-crystal-scott-with-murder-in-the-death-of-jonathan-ables


22 posted on 09/26/2012 12:37:34 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Melas
Even quadriplegics can potentially bite.

"Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!"

23 posted on 09/26/2012 12:45:15 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Uncle Chip
Hopefully, the court will also address the release of Geroge’s medical records. I believe the State is looking for results of tests performed on George (X-ray, CT scan, MRI, etc.) as well as notes and/or photos. I think they're also looking for any medical records for treatment prior to the shooting.

The State requested the medical records in August but the defense has refused to release them. What are they hiding?

In an interview with Serino Zimmerman stated that he had been diagnosed with PTSD. Usually with PTSD, symptoms have to persist and be unresponsive to treatment for at least three months. Was Zimmerman talking about a prior diagnosis?

Zimmerman had only been taking Adderall for a few weeks. It was a replacement for another physcotropic that was causing him to have mood swings. Adderall has some nasty side effects. Was he having any problems with his new medication?

Osterman has stated that Zimmerman suffered a concussion. Is there any documentation to verify that claim?

Just this week Robert Zimmerman Jr. said that George's ears were bleeding for a day after the alleged attack. Isn't it strange that he ignored this PA's advise to consult with an ENT?

I look forward to medical professionals taking the stand and explaining how injuries from having his head bashed repeatedly on the sidewalk appeared on the parietal portion but not on the occipital area of Zimmerman's skull.

24 posted on 09/27/2012 10:21:57 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Beach_Babe

<>The State requested the medical records in August but the defense has refused to release them.<>

Isn’t that funny because the State wasn’t interested in the medical records of his injury back in April. And now they are so interested since all of the evidence has turned against them.

Is an assault victim with PTSD and/or on Adderal not permitted to defend his life when a thug is sitting on top of him banging his head into the sidewalk???

The State’s request is just another of their rabbit trails to distract people from this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2936473/posts?page=9#9

The State should not be requesting more stuff but should be releasing that exculpatory evidence in its possession — like the cell phone ping logs for Trayvon’s and DeeDee’s cell phones which should prove definitively that DeeDee and Trayvon actually were talking. Those should have been made public by now. What’s the matter???? And where’s that tox report???

BTW would you like to sign a petition:

http://www.change.org/petitions/houston-police-department-and-the-texas-state-attorney-s-office-immediately-arrest-crystal-scott-with-murder-in-the-death-of-jonathan-ables

Can we expect marches in Houston soon and your same diligence on behalf this shooting victim???


25 posted on 09/27/2012 11:17:42 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Sorry, I don't do online petitions . . . but here's one for you since you seem to be into that type of thing.

Do you think Zimmerman will testify?

26 posted on 09/27/2012 12:08:05 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Beach_Babe
Do you think Zimmerman will testify?

Why should he??? The forensic evidence speaks for him.

To wit, the following facts are derived using only the State’s discovery evidence, including police reports, eye-witness statements, and “ear” witness statements:

FACT: Zimmerman had a legal right to be inside and outside his vehicle, at all times on the night in question

FACT: Zimmerman attempting to follow Martin is likewise not inherently illegal. (Further, doing so does not legally constitute “stalking”, under any circumstance)

FACT: Martin attempted to elude Zimmerman before Zimmerman ever got out of his vehicle

FACT: Martin successfully eluded Zimmerman

FACT: After successfully eluding Zimmerman, Martin reached the vicinity of Brandi Green’s home

FACT: Martin refused to continue running, and refused to go inside Brandi Green’s home. (These facts clearly imply a lack of fear on Martin’s part.)

FACT: Martin verbally accosted Zimmerman, not the other way around

FACT: Martin broke Zimmerman’s nose

FACT: Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating Zimmerman

FACT: Zimmerman made attempts to escape, but was prevented from doing so by Martin

FACT: Zimmerman’s head/face was 45% covered in his own blood

FACT: Zimmerman had lacerations on the back of his head

FACT: Zimmerman had swelling of the head, bruising, and black eyes

FACT: No witness ever saw Zimmerman on top of Martin during the physical altercation

FACT: Martin’s only injuries were to his knuckles, and the gunshot wound to his chest

FACT: Absent contradictory evidence, the above facts clearly exonerate Zimmerman. He has an open-and-shut claim of justified use of lethal force in self-defense, both to end the commission of a felony aggravated battery, and due to reasonable fear of imminent risk to life or bodily injury.

Side Note #1: None of the above facts rely on Zimmerman’s testimony

Side Note #2: The self-defense claim supported by these facts does not rely on the Stand-Your-Ground statute

Now, my question:

What evidence does the State have, that would refute any of the above facts, or that would otherwise sway the preponderance of evidence away from Zimmerman’s self-defense claim, and toward the State’s allegation of second-degree murder?

[Thanks to Chip Bennett of the Conservative Treehouse September 26, 2012 at 10:29 am]

27 posted on 09/27/2012 12:55:14 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: FReepers
De la Rionda also asked the judge to make O'Mara file all future subpoenas under seal, to review each one in secret ..

Star Chamber much, ya fascist puke ? !

Folks, nothing about this just.us system is your friend .. it only wants feeding, and it only wants white meat, and you are just a snack.

If you can't get a good lawyer, get a good head start . . .

28 posted on 09/27/2012 1:11:48 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Beach_Babe

If that’s your style, this one is better:

http://www.change.org/petitions/change-org-stop-eric-jordan-garrett


29 posted on 09/27/2012 1:18:22 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Sorry, but the treehouse "facts" are mere speculation and/or wishful thinking.

BTW, why do they have a picture of Geroge's nephew on their site?

What evidence does the State have . . .

A picture is worth a thousand words: click here

30 posted on 09/27/2012 2:40:15 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Beach_Babe
What evidence does the State have . . .

nothing

A picture is worth a thousand words: click here

still waiting for that picture ...

31 posted on 09/27/2012 2:52:16 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Me too


32 posted on 09/27/2012 2:58:51 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono
Me too

That's a first for you.

33 posted on 09/27/2012 3:04:14 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

34 posted on 09/27/2012 3:12:47 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Now that’s a picture worth a thousand words.


35 posted on 09/27/2012 3:18:59 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tomkat
De la Rionda also asked the judge to make O'Mara file all future subpoenas under seal, to review each one in secret and decide whether it should be issued and then to evaluate in secret the information it produces and decide whether that information should be kept from the public.

You're right. This is what's at stake in today's hearing.

It is an outrageous motion by the State designed to circumvent Florida Law, and keep the public in the dark. It wants to conduct its kangaroo prosecution in secret -- except when it wants to accidentally release information it has on purpose.

Just what secrets does the prosecution not want the public to know that it already knows or that is about to come out???

36 posted on 09/28/2012 5:12:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The next hearing is October 19th, not today. Try to keep up.

As I said before, I hope they'll address of Zimmerman's medical records which the defense doesn't want released.

No one is interested in Zimmerman's tonsil stones, his bad breath, his heartburn, his acid reflux or his irritable bowels. But it's now being claimed that:

• Zimmerman had a concussion

• Zimmerman bled from both of his ears for an entire day

• Zimmerman was immediately diagnosed with PTSD (a medical miracle!)

Are these claims true or are they more lies?

37 posted on 09/28/2012 9:08:11 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Beach_Babe

None of those are relevant to the issue at hand. They would all be the result of the assault of Zimmerman by Martin that has been documented by all the other evidence none of which can be contravened.


38 posted on 09/28/2012 9:21:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

All of those are very relevant.

They might have wrestled around a bit but I don’t think Trayvon punched or in any other way ‘assaulted’ Zimmerman.

I believe that clumsy, uncoordinated Zimmerman tripped and caused his own injuries in his rush to detain the ‘suspect’.

Trayvon only injury (besides the fatal gunshot wound) was a scrape to the knuckle of his left ring finger. He had none of Zimmerman’s saliva, DNA, or blood on him . . . expect for a spot or two of Zimmerman’s DNA on his undershirt. Zimmerman probably transferred that when he was attempting to frisk Trayvon.


39 posted on 09/28/2012 10:07:24 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Beach_Babe
They might have wrestled around a bit but I don’t think Trayvon punched or in any other way ‘assaulted’ Zimmerman.

So then sitting on him to keep him from getting up while holding your hand over his mouth to keep him from calling out for help is what??? some new kind of wrestling hold??? or attempted rape???

I believe that clumsy, uncoordinated Zimmerman tripped and caused his own injuries in his rush to detain the ‘suspect’.

Explain how in the first place the "clumsy, uncoordinated Zimmerman" could catch up to the younger leaner swifter stronger teenager who had already fled the scene -- much less try to detain him.

Trayvon only injury (besides the fatal gunshot wound) was a scrape to the knuckle of his left ring finger.

from the sidewalk as he was banging Zimmerman's head on it.

He had none of Zimmerman’s saliva, DNA, or blood on him.

Martin was on top of him and it was raining. All blood and saliva would drain downward to the wet ground not upward to the raining sky.

..expect for a spot or two of Zimmerman’s DNA on his undershirt. Zimmerman probably transferred that when he was attempting to frisk Trayvon.

after he shot him and just as the police were arriving on the scene as he said in his deposition and the police said in their reports.

As you can see the State has no case and should be investigating the Trayvon Trashcan Tour for fraud and the Crumpmeister and company for obstruction of justice and subourning perjury.

40 posted on 09/28/2012 11:26:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Beach_Babe

<>They might have wrestled around a bit but I don’t think Trayvon punched or in any other way ‘assaulted’ Zimmerman.<>

The video of George and Trayvon that night says otherwise:

http://youtu.be/RSS1zh45Fts


41 posted on 09/28/2012 12:37:35 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Beach_Babe

<>The next hearing is October 19th, not today.<>

That will be too late for the State to suppress. O’Mara will have all the school records by then, and probably DeeDee’s deposition. He started with it all yesterday.

George Zimmerman’s lawyers begin depositions, interview FDLE analysts

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-depositions-fdle-20120928,0,5163291.story

Stay positive. Don’t get discouraged. Have some Skittles and tea.


42 posted on 09/28/2012 1:12:35 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
So then sitting on him to keep him from getting up while holding your hand over his mouth to keep him from calling out for help is what??? some new kind of wrestling hold??? or attempted rape???

Isn’t it convenient that the only person who said seven-handed Trayvon held a hand over Zimmerman’s mouth was Zimmerman … a proved liar.

Explain how in the first place the clumsy, uncoordinated Zimmerman could catch up to the younger leaner swifter stronger teenager who had already fled the scene -- much less try to detain him.

In his excitement to detain the suspect, maybe Zimmerman tripped in the dark. Maybe he ran or backed into a tree, a satellite dish bracket, or the dog poop sign. Sh!t happens. Ex-bouncer, cop-wannabe George looked pretty mean and lean -- like a fighting machine -- in this photo. Looks like he was working out at the gym in the clubhouse.

After a two mile walk to and from the store, I don’t know how “swift” Trayvon would be. Personally, I’d be pooped. And with a 46-pound weight advantage, Zimmerman would be the stronger of the two.

*Wanna bet Zimmerman’s sitting at home right this minute stuffing his face, trying to gain weight so he’ll look fat at his trial?

*Wanna bet Zimmerman's growing his hair in an attempt to lose that skin-head image?

*Wanna bet they’ll lower Zimmerman's chair in the courtroom, a la Casey Anthony, so he’ll look puny too?

Martin was on top of him and it was raining. All blood and saliva would drain downward to the wet ground not upward to the raining sky.

So all the blood and saliva and DNA drained away --- except for the blood and saliva and DNA that didn’t. Okie-dokie …

Maybe the blood on Zimmerman's head was photoshopped too?

after he shot him and just as the police were arriving on the scene as he said in his deposition ...

And which deposition would that be? Zimmerman made many statements to the police, each different from the last: he was punched at the T and fell backward – he was punched at the T and stumbled forward. None of his statements explained the 50-foot debris trail down the sidewalk.

As you can see the State has no case and should be investigating the Trayvon Trashcan Tour for fraud and the Crumpmeister and company for obstruction of justice and subourning perjury.

OMG, you’re blaming the victim again. Pitiful! And nary a word about the money-grubbing Zimmermans, eh? George and his sites, Gracie and her site, mom & pop and their site, and now we’re treated to Bobby and the bleeding from the ears story. (Hey, nice diamond earrings, Bobby, but maybe you should take ‘em off when you’re out begging for money.) I wonder if Dawn, the sister with another mother, will popping out of the woodwork anytime soon.

BTW: I was looking at my husband’s autopsy report. He was a LEO -- or a JBT as they are so affectionately referred to on this site. Guess what, he was 6’1” both before and after death. People don’t shrivel up like the wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz when they die.

43 posted on 09/29/2012 8:20:35 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: Uncle Chip
Zimmerman: Why No Amount of Lawyers, Guns and Money Will Save Him
44 posted on 09/29/2012 8:26:41 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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Isn’t it convenient that the only person who said seven-handed Trayvon held a hand over Zimmerman’s mouth was Zimmerman

The State has already acknowledged as much in its cross examination of GZ's father months ago.

maybe ....Maybe .... Sh!t happens.

That always works well in court.

After a two mile walk to and from the store, I don’t know how “swift” Trayvon would be.

Swift enough to run down to Brandi's condo and back to the T to confront GZ according to DeeDee.

Maybe the blood on Zimmerman's head was photoshopped too?

So you're questioning the EMT and police photos/reports, but you believe Leatherhead!!!

None of his statements explained the 50-foot debris trail down the sidewalk.

The location of the keys etc at the T and the body 45 feet down the sidewalk explain it.

he was 6’1” both before and after death.

So the ME copied it off of his DL where you got it from.

OMG, you’re blaming the victim again.

No -- that's what the Crumpmeisters have been doing.

45 posted on 09/29/2012 9:26:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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“Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda accused O’Mara of trying to start a media feeding frenzy – he used the phrase “chum the waters” – with that request.”

Yeah, since the waters haven’t already been chumed by the prosecutors and race hustlers.


46 posted on 09/29/2012 9:34:14 AM PDT by kcvl
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The State has not acknowledged anything. They’ll present their case at Zimmerman’s trial.

You’ve mistaken “near” for “at”.

The neighbor’s photo magically appeared many weeks later. It’s astonishing — both Zimmerman and the professional wrestler had the exact same wounds! A miracle, I tell you – unless one was photoshopped.

LOL, you are implying that the wind blew Zimmerman’s tactical flashlight down the path, a tornado lifted Trayvon’s body, and a water spout transported the bullet. Pathetic. Witness 18 watched Zimmerman walk back to the T where he supposedly ‘dropped’ the key fob. He made sure the little flashlight was ‘on’, so it would be easily found.

Remember when Zimmerman said he was fearful to walk back to his truck in the dark. I guess he forget that he had not one, but two (2) flashlights with him. Sorta like he forgot he had a gun on his hip, even ‘tho he had just put it there moments before. But then again, maybe Zimmerman wore it at home all day long, so his not-yet-born children wouldn’t play with it.

Of course, we all know Zimmerman never went to RVC, nor did he ever provide a house address from RVC to the cops. But they weren’t expecting one — a fixed address would have been useless to them. Zimmerman had already stated that the suspect was on the move – heading to the back gate – and Zimmerman’s vehicle was parked on a different street.

The ME did not have my husband’s DL. I hope you are not suggesting that he requested a copy of it from the DMV instead of using his tape measure. Get real!


47 posted on 09/29/2012 1:34:27 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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The State has not acknowledged anything. They’ll present their case at Zimmerman’s trial.

I guess you forgot about the 2nd bond hearing when the BDLR asked GZ's father: "How could your son cry out [if,since, when] Martin had his hand over his mouth???"

There had been no testimony yet that Martin had his hand over his mouth, but BDLR assumed and acknowledged it to have been so in his question. His question entered it into the court record along with the answer to the prosecution's and the Trayvonista's dismay.

The neighbor’s photo magically appeared many weeks later.

The grainy b/w one but the one with cuts scrapes blood was taken that night by the police/emt along with written reports that blood covered 40% of his head.

Witness 18 watched Zimmerman walk back to the T where he supposedly ‘dropped’ the key fob. He made sure the little flashlight was ‘on’, so it would be easily found.

Show that to us in her sworn statement.

You are grasping at so many straws that you ought to be heading up the yellow brick road to the Emerald City singing "if I only had a brain".

48 posted on 09/29/2012 2:01:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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http://thefreedombulletin.com/2012/06/a-martial-artist-looks-at-the-zimmermanmartin-murder-case/


49 posted on 09/30/2012 12:30:46 AM PDT by Beach_Babe
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Instead we see scraping types of injuries all over the back of the head. These appear to be the kind of injuries that would have resulted from rolling round on pavement or hitting curbs or other obstructions and not from concentrated blows to the head.

So his head injuries came from scraping his head on the sidewalk during the assault.

Since no hood was seen, Zimmerman was, by logical deduction, on top and not Martin.

But he was on top of Martin???

If he was on top of Martin, how did he scrape his head on the sidewalk???

Is that the sidewalk above his head theory???

or the raining concrete theory???

or the flying monkeys with rocks theory???

It should be called the freedumb bulletin.

Another mindless idiot grasping at straws in real desperation.

50 posted on 09/30/2012 5:18:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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