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Why I Hate Star Trek
The Kernal ^ | September 25, 2012 | Milo Yiannopoulos

Posted on 09/27/2012 6:46:06 AM PDT by C19fan

I recently watched Starship Troopers for the first time. It’s brilliant, isn’t it? I can’t believe I’d never seen it before. If you can set aside the laboured subtext about militarism and the whole America policing the world thing, it’s a brilliant epic about love and the indomitability of the human spirit. And they’re all pretty hot, which helps. But I had another train of thought watching this movie. It reminded me of a guilty secret, and of a violent change in attitude I’ve had toward science fiction in the past few years, and toward Star Trek in particular.

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The piece is more about how utterly PC the post-Original Series material has been.

In fact Star Trek, particularly the universe of the later The Next Generation movies and indeed the entire TNG television series that went out in the late eighties and early nineties, is a particularly, peculiarly and almost unbearably saccharine, socialist world, at pains to underscore its rejection of money and the moral good of exploration for its own sake.

1 posted on 09/27/2012 6:46:14 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Here’s something else to think about Star Trek: http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20050530_106573_106573


2 posted on 09/27/2012 6:50:55 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: C19fan

I recall one TNG episode where the Enterprise finds a adrift ship with people who had terminal diseases and had been in cryogenic sleep until there would be a cure in the future. Picard reams of the guys who wants to get back to Earth and his financial holdings. Picard says “your bank no longer exists”.


3 posted on 09/27/2012 6:52:00 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: C19fan

I recall one TNG episode where the Enterprise finds a adrift ship with people who had terminal diseases and had been in cryogenic sleep until there would be a cure in the future. Picard reams of the guys who wants to get back to Earth and his financial holdings. Picard says “your bank no longer exists”.


4 posted on 09/27/2012 6:52:13 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: C19fan

“I recently watched Starship Troopers for the first time. It’s brilliant, isn’t it?”

The book Starship troopers is a classic.

The movie is pure crap. Thats enough to let me know the writer is a fool.

“is a particularly, peculiarly and almost unbearably saccharine, socialist world, at pains to underscore its rejection of money and the moral good of exploration for its own sake.”

and yet some people always have more than others, why is that?


5 posted on 09/27/2012 6:53:09 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: C19fan

btt


6 posted on 09/27/2012 6:53:33 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: C19fan

7 posted on 09/27/2012 6:54:56 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: C19fan

Guy loses any credibility as far as discussing science fiction by starting off praising the inexcusable Starship Troopers movie. Means he never read the actual book, which is a pretty good indicator of how little SF he reads.

Now, he does have a point about the PC-ness in Next Generation, which later Star Trek shows especially DS9 kind of undercut.


8 posted on 09/27/2012 6:55:08 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

In the first episode of ST TNG they used money, the crew was shopping at FarPoint


9 posted on 09/27/2012 6:56:15 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JenB

I remember a line from Quark when he had enough of the holier-than-thou humans bad mouthing his race. It something to do with genocide and Hitler but I forget the words to even paraphrase.


10 posted on 09/27/2012 6:58:33 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

I was a big fan of the original series. After watching the premier episode of tng, I dubbed it “Star Trek for women”.


11 posted on 09/27/2012 7:04:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: driftdiver

I loved the movie, I did watch it for the first time with about 20 Marines right before a deployment so it may hold a bit of nostalgia for me. It was fun and entertaining.


12 posted on 09/27/2012 7:04:43 AM PDT by Docbarleypop
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To: driftdiver

I loved the movie, I did watch it for the first time with about 20 Marines right before a deployment so it may hold a bit of nostalgia for me. It was fun and entertaining.


13 posted on 09/27/2012 7:04:50 AM PDT by Docbarleypop
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To: C19fan

Although the world of Star Trek TNG seems socialistic, remember that the most memorable villains ~ The Borg Collective, represented communism; utter collectivism. I think a reason for the phoniness of the world in Star Trek is that the writers/creators could not envision how capitalism would work in a world in which robots/androids did all the heavy lifting. Food and drink could be produced artificially. What sorts of jobs could they portray? The only jobs left to depict were Starfleet assignments.


14 posted on 09/27/2012 7:06:13 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: C19fan
I recently watched Starship Troopers for the first time. It’s brilliant, isn’t it?

It's Heinlein. You want no PC try Stranger in a Strange Land.

Heinlein to me is the best. Period.

15 posted on 09/27/2012 7:06:31 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: C19fan

I am a trekkie since the original series in the 1960s. I agree that some of the versions of Star Trek were not that good. However, the last version, Star Trek Enterprise, I thought was the best as Captain Archer embodied the spirit of adventure, exploration and even rebellion that has been part of the American ethos since we started our trek across the continent. The way the Vulcans were depicted in that series as controlling know-it all elites to me was a perfect example of the liberal nanny state.


16 posted on 09/27/2012 7:09:37 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: C19fan

Please, even the original ST engaged in social engineering.

Recall Frank Gorshin’s character...


17 posted on 09/27/2012 7:09:46 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: C19fan
I watch Star Trek to see them use weapons to destroy other things. I ignore the social crap and fantasied about getting green chicks.
18 posted on 09/27/2012 7:15:39 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: C19fan
peculiarly and almost unbearably saccharine, socialist world, at pains to underscore its rejection of money and the moral good of exploration for its own sake.

As far as TNG goes, that was Gene Roddenberry's fault. The writers wanted to make the series more realistic but Gene was stuck on his utopia dream.

After Gene died, they continued to battle because some wanted to continue on with Gene's vision.

Roddenberry was a huge lib. His original series wasn't what he wanted that's why he went on to do TNG series. He could have only done that because of the success of his first series. The writers and network influences made that possible otherwise the series would have flopped and been forgotten if it had stayed on Gene's true vision.

19 posted on 09/27/2012 7:19:17 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: isthisnickcool
Heinlein to me is the best. Period.

I beg to disagree, Asimov was the best.

20 posted on 09/27/2012 7:20:05 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: C19fan
Star Trek The Next Generation was awesome. And for one reason: the eye candy known as Deanna Troi.

Case closed.

21 posted on 09/27/2012 7:21:21 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: C19fan
I still remember the line Pecard said to the Black woman from Earth in First Contact.

From IMDB's quotes:

Captain Jean-Luc Picard: The economics of the future is somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century.

Lily Sloane: No money? You mean, you don't get paid?

Captain Jean-Luc Picard: We work to better ourselves.

In my century, we don't succumb to revenge. We have a more evolved sensibility...

What claptrap, such wimpy liberal thinking. I work to better myself everyday and I still make money and I'm sure everyone else here could say the same. The two are not mutually exclusive.

22 posted on 09/27/2012 7:25:14 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Leaning Right

Tasha Yar’s weren’t too bad either.


23 posted on 09/27/2012 7:25:22 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: C19fan

Except for that scene in Star Trek: First Contact where Geordi LaForge comes face-to-face with his lifelong idol, Zephram Cochran, inventor of the warp drive.

Cochran turns out to be a vain, drunken, unpleasant man. Not at all what LaForge was expecting from the history books. When discussing how this all came about Cochran tells him point blank, “Do you think I did all this for humanity? For the sheer joy of exploration?” He then shakes his head and tells him “I did this because I wanted to get RICH!”

I found it an amazingly honest portrayal of why most important things happened in history.


24 posted on 09/27/2012 7:25:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: driftdiver

The book Starship Troopers is awesome but I think Heinlein channeled Ayn Rand for the teacher in the first part of the book. I love reading pages of lectures in a sci-fi book.

The movie, ugghhh. All I can say that was good was the gratuitous nudity.


25 posted on 09/27/2012 7:28:21 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Please, even the original ST engaged in social engineering.
Recall Frank Gorshin’s character..


Though that episode where the Space Hippies were off looking for the Planet Eden was spot-on.


26 posted on 09/27/2012 7:28:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Leaning Right

Sorry but I must disagree Geri Ryan in Star Trek Voyager 7 of 9 I haven’t seen a girl fill out a leather body suit that well since Michelle Phifer played catwoman.


27 posted on 09/27/2012 7:29:01 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: C19fan
Starship Troopers - based on the back cover of a novel by Robert Heinlein.
28 posted on 09/27/2012 7:29:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: C19fan

Picard: “We’ve eliminated the need for money. We seek to better ourselves.”

Pure Marxism.


29 posted on 09/27/2012 7:29:59 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: C19fan

I don’t get the rejection of money. They were on start ships, what was there to buy?
When they were on DS9, the people paid with credits.


30 posted on 09/27/2012 7:30:40 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: C19fan

TNG was very socialistic. DS9 (my favorite ST series, by far) was much less so. The crew members often carried the local currency (gold pressed latinum) and the utopian, socialist universe of TNG was sometimes, gently mocked.

Cadet Nog: It’s not my fault your species decided to abandon currency-based economics in favor of some philosophy of self-enhancement.

Jake Sisko: (Who is begging Nog for his money, because he has none) Hey - watch it! There’s nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity.

Cadet Nog: What does that mean exactly?

Jake Sisko: (Vainly, grasping for an intelligent answer)It means... it means, we don’t need money.

Cadet Nog: Well if you don’t need money, then you certainly don’t need mine.

Also, in a society with technology like replicators, that could “magically” produce just about anything, anyone needs out of thin air, and with very cheap energy sources, socialism would not be quite as impractical as it is in the real world, today.

Economics is about how scarce resources are disrtibuted, so when there is no scarcity, economic systems become far, less relevant.

Finally, this is sci-fi FANTASY. If you can suspend disbelief to imagine a world with travel at many times the speed of light, transporters, holodecks, etc., is it that much harder to imagine a world where Socialism actually works. :)


31 posted on 09/27/2012 7:31:05 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Lx

The intramural shower scene in Starship troopers was the best part of the show.

I never could understand in starship troopers the lack of armor and air cover.


32 posted on 09/27/2012 7:33:07 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: verga
Of late I re-read I, Robot. It has not aged well; is dominated by petty bickering.
33 posted on 09/27/2012 7:33:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Why does the wine growing Picard bother to make wine when there are replicators that make wine? Obviously there is a difference between crap replicator wine and the real stuff. The real stuff has a limited supply so how does it get distributed in TNG? A lottery? Yes basic items would be dirt cheap because of cheap energy and replicators but there are still items and services a replicator cannot reproduce that people still want; for example a luxury apartment on Fifth Avenue in NY.


34 posted on 09/27/2012 7:35:32 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

A quote I found years ago:

I agree with that, and I think that a break from being in production will give the next generation (har. har. har.) of Star Trek creators an opportunity to get some perspective on Star Trek, and let whatever the next thing is return to what made Star Trek so great: Captains who bang green chicks in mini-skirts. - Wil Wheaton


35 posted on 09/27/2012 7:37:05 AM PDT by Biff55 (A furore Normanorum libera nos, O Domine!)
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To: BobinIL

I guess the Starship Troopers staff officers forgot about combined arms tactics. hee hee.


36 posted on 09/27/2012 7:37:05 AM PDT by C19fan
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Quark: I think I figured out why humans don't like Ferengi —

Sisko: Not now, Quark.

Quark: The way I see it, humans used to be a lot like Ferengi: greedy, acquisitive, interested only in profit. We're a constant reminder of a part of your past you'd like to forget.

Sisko: Quark, we don't have time for this.

Quark: You're overlooking something, Commander. Humans used to be a lot worse than Ferengi. Slavery, concentration camps, interstellar war; we have nothing in our past that approaches that kind of barbarism. You see? We're nothing like you. We're better.
37 posted on 09/27/2012 7:38:40 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: driftdiver
The movie is pure crap

A lot of people would disagree with you. Personally, I always enjoy it as (nearly) mindless fun. The "nearly" part is that it did keep some of the ideas from Heinlein's classic about how a society based on human nature and logic would be organized. Brutal at times, and unfair to some, but effective at keeping the peace and letting people live their lives in safety with their personal property rights assured. But the rest was eye candy and really cool SFX. So if one was hoping for a faithful adaptation your disgust with the film is understandable.

The author of this piece, though, did miss one element of both stories. It was not the US that was policing the world (and the galaxy). In the book Rico's native language was Tagalog (Filipino) and in the film a native of Buenos Aires. The accents of the actors (and that he apparently has never read the book) threw him off.

Star Trek, on the other hand, in all its iterations portrayed a utopian human civilization without money or greed but never bothered, with good reason, to explain the details of how exactly that would or could work. In that respect, Star Trek was even more mindless than SST, the book or the film.

38 posted on 09/27/2012 7:40:18 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Well, let’s step back a moment and consider our current situation.
Food is cheap. See my tagline. With minimum-wage laws in place (a different discussion, I’m not condoning them), one can eat well on just 30 minutes of work a day.
Housing isn’t what I’d call cheap, but neither is it particularly expensive if you’re willing to move and put in some construction/repair effort. Big problem with housing is most people want it in expensive locations.
Transportation is cheap. Most choose expensive forms or situations, but chosen with care it can be cheap. You can go ‘round the world in a few hours for under a week’s pay.
The biggest ailment of the poor is obesity.
Look at all that in light of “the 47%” doing rather well on near-full federal support, plot the socioeconomic trajectory, throw in “makerbots” and advanced physics, and we may very well end up with Sisko’s society (like it or not).
Just some rambling thoughts. Back to earning money.


39 posted on 09/27/2012 7:43:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: driftdiver

The book Starship troopers is a classic.

The movie is pure crap. Thats enough to let me know the writer is a fool.

AMEN! The movie is a travesty of one of the best military books ever. I give a copy to every young ‘un I know who’s about to go to basic or a military academy.

Colonel, USAFR


40 posted on 09/27/2012 7:45:38 AM PDT by jagusafr (Never apologize for speaking the truth)
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To: C19fan

Oh, I agree. In the dialogue I quoted, the boys were trying to buy a rare, Willie Mays rookie card, to give to Captain Sisko. How would items like that be obtained with no money?

I’m not saying socialism would work in a world with the technology available in the fantasy Star Trek world, but it would be somewhat less problematic than it is in the real world, as the fundamental problem of “running out of other people’s money” would be greatly diminished.

I suppose it could also be argued that if all people’s needs were abundantly met by technology, the culture might evolve to become less fixated on obtaining material wealth and people would seek the status they get from owning a mansion or a fancy car, by some combination of doing good works for society or by achieving great things, like discovering new planets, or cures to diseases, etc.

Personally, I think that most would end up more like the fat, lazy people in “Wall-E” than the noble, selfless people of Star Trek, though.


41 posted on 09/27/2012 7:46:40 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: C19fan
Why does the wine growing Picard bother to make wine when there are replicators that make wine?

The same reason I buy green coffee beans, roast them in a popcorn popper, grind them by hand, and brew them thru a coffee press ... when just down the hall I can push a button and have what most people would consider an indistinguishable beverage in a few seconds: there's more to travel than the destination.

42 posted on 09/27/2012 7:47:13 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: P.O.E.

Seven of Nine! Wow...


43 posted on 09/27/2012 7:48:07 AM PDT by jagusafr (Never apologize for speaking the truth)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Recall Frank Gorshin’s character...

The Riddler? :)

Wait. Wrong series.

(and yes, I know which one you REALLY mean).

44 posted on 09/27/2012 7:48:12 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: C19fan

According to Fermi Paradox ( which I agree with ) we are alone in the universe. All SCI-FI seems stupid after learning the paradox... Google it yourself.


45 posted on 09/27/2012 7:49:58 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BobinIL

In the book, they’re “cap troopers”, short for capsule, which is how they deploy from low orbit. They’re inside articulated armor that amplifies the muscle movement of their bodies so they can jump, “fly”, etc., and they have back-mounted racks for rockets, grenades, etc.

Badass. Just. Bad. Ass.


46 posted on 09/27/2012 7:51:52 AM PDT by jagusafr (Never apologize for speaking the truth)
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To: Leaning Right
And for one reason: the eye candy known as Deanna Troi.

The walking mood ring shrink who is elevated to the Captain's deck? No thanks!

Sample Troi dialogue:

Ferengi: Heh, Captain, I bee-leeve I can work out a deal that will benefit BOTH of us! Heh-eh, titter, chuckle.

Troi: I sense deception, Captain.

And she can take her Will Robinson knock-off kid with her. He should have been properly euthanized on that pleasure planet when he didn't keep off of the #$%^&* grass!

Time to bring back an earlier tag line.
47 posted on 09/27/2012 7:52:52 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: C19fan

Oh for God’s sake. That fact that anybody even Cares about Star Trek with its One World Government, No Money, weapons temporarily issued on order of the Captain’s perceived need, disposable landing party members etc, .....

See Galaxy Quest and get over it.


48 posted on 09/27/2012 7:53:32 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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Oh, the kid’s mom was that doctor. No one seems to get married on that ship. Well, kick him off anyway.


49 posted on 09/27/2012 7:53:41 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: C19fan
I guess the Starship Troopers staff officers forgot about combined arms tactics. hee hee.

I much preferred the Marines in "Aliens", especially Private Vasquez.

50 posted on 09/27/2012 7:58:10 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm not voting for Obama, so therefore I must be helping Romney!)
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